SKS Discussion Forum SKS Discussion Forum This board is dedicated to the discussion of the SKS rifle, feel free to ask all your questions here. I have decided to allow buying and selling of SKS (only)parts and accessories on this board. Send Comments and Questions to Survivor Survival Buy and Sell Forum General Gun Talk Online SKS Manual AK Discussion Forum -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cleaning/Lubricating Pistons/Firing Pins, etc. by Jim Following cleaning, can one use CLP or Militec-1 on pistons, firing pins, gas cylinders, without causing a problem or is it best not to lubricate these parts? Thanks, Jim Posted on Jun 17 1999, 03:22 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Just Wondering...ctxt. by hunter47 OK guys, here is the question for the day. Do you guys really think that the screwed barrels are really any better than the pinned ones? Also, along the same lines, are the milled trigger guards really any better than the stamped ones? I was just wondering if it was really worth paying the extra money for the SKS' that have the screwed barrel & milled trigger guards. I would love to hear your thoughts on this matter. Thanks H47 Posted on Jun 15 1999, 09:51 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- it all depends by rick i guess it depends on how much you shoot. if you go out and rattle off 50 or 100 rounds every few months, it probably makes no difference. but if you were going into battle everyday, firing 100's or 1000's of rounds, i'd go for the higher quality. as much as most of us shoot sks' you'd probably never know the difference. Posted on Jun 16 1999, 06:53 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pinned and Screwed by Dip Dip H47, we regard Steve Kehaya and Joe Poyer's epic work, THE SKS CARBINE (North Cape Publications, Tustin, CA, 1996) as a pretty definative authority on most questions relating to architecture and performance. Here is what they have to say regarding your question: "Thousands of the pinned versions of the SKS Carbine have been sold and fired. No reports have been received (of)any problems with this type of installation attributable to the different type fastening. The jury is still out as to which model is more accurate, the screwed in barrel or the pinned version. We have received reports favoring both systems, but so far, nothing conclusive has developed. The screwed in barrel does appear to command a premium, however." Dare we opine the important thing to do, in mid-June 1999, is to get as many carbines into as many different competent hands as possible so that individuals can train effectively in the short time remaining and achieve a level of proficiency necessary for personal survival as well as power projection? The moment for academic discourse has passed. Posted on Jun 16 1999, 08:23 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bravo... more important issues do indeed loom (ctxt) by Gary Besides, if Heckler & Koch has been making firearms with pressed & pinned barrels since the 1950s, don't you think the design has merit? I've yet to see any SKS "shoot loose", our attention is far better directed to the firing range. Just don't go and use up your ammo cache! Gary Posted on Jun 16 1999, 09:58 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks guys!...NTXT by hunter47 Posted on Jun 16 1999, 09:18 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Removal of Piston Spring by JDF Could someone tell me the best way to remove the piston extension/piston return spring from a Russian 1953r SKS? Light pressure doesn't budge it. Don't want to use too much force unless I know what I'm doing :-) Thanks Posted on Jun 15 1999, 08:11 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- manual for sks by bud JDF, look at response to bob's question (somethings wrong) and you will find suvivors manual for sks. Don't use force on any weapon until you understand completly how the mechanisim operates. The sks can be damaged several ways if not disembled and assembled properly and in the right sequence. Hope this helps, if not ask again as most of the guys in this forum are very knowledgeable about sks and guns in general. Bud Posted on Jun 15 1999, 09:51 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Manual doesn't cover it. by JDF Bud: Appreciate the link to the manual, but I notice it doesn't mention how to remove and clean the piston extension and piston return spring (short piston and spring). In a previous message, someone mentioned the importance of remembering to clean this part of the rifle, especially if it gets filled with grease. Any instructions would be appreciated! Thanks Posted on Jun 16 1999, 01:25 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- OK, here's how you do it... (Ctxt) by Gary I just installed one, so I do know whereof I speak. The cam lock that releases the gas tube will also release the piston extension and spring. Lift the cam lever enough to release the gas tube and lift the gas tube & upper handguard assembly out of the way. Then take a small, flat-blade screwdriver and use the tip to press in on the piston extension. You should feel this "operating rod" move, though you *are* pressing against the operating rod spring. (I'm getting out of sequence here. Stop and remove the bolt and carrier, that way there's no locked bolt to hold pressure against the piston extension /operating rod) Okay, with the bolt and carrier removed, you should be able to move the rod back a bit with the screwdriver. You can see the other end of it protrude above the chamber, where it would in operation push on the bolt carrier to unlock the breech. With the rod slightly depressed with that screwdriver blade, grab that gas tube lock handle and turn it further towards the muzzle. You should now be able to release the pressure carefully and let the piston extension slide out towards the muzzle. The spring can be easily fished out of there, too. Assembly is in reverse order. See, that was easy! Regards, Gary Posted on Jun 16 1999, 10:09 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Worked like a charm! by JDF Gary, Appreciate your info. Came out without a hitch. Many Thanks, JDF Posted on Jun 17 1999, 03:11 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- who has cheap "dragonov" stocks? by rick ive seen them for around $50...anybody seen 'em cheaper? Posted on Jun 15 1999, 08:11 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cheap stocks...ctxt by hunter47 Rick, I think you may be refering to the Fiberforce Draganov Stock made by ATI. Can I be honest here?...they suck! Your best bet is to spend a little more and buy a Choate Draganov Stock. The craftsmanship is much better and they are much lighter. They are around $75, but they are well worth it! You can find them at the following address: www.catalog.com/uws/choate.html, or you can call Choate directly at 501-724-6193. Good luck! Posted on Jun 16 1999, 09:24 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Free caching info for CA SKS by bb http://members.aol.com/norustbags/cache.html Hope it helps. Posted on Jun 14 1999, 08:50 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Somethings not right . . . by Bob J. Couple of problems you guys might help me with. Took my Chinese sporter out for the third time today and borrowed an SKS windage adjustment tool from a guy at the next bench. Front sight lug absolutely would not budge for either one of us. I lubed it and was careful to line the holes in the clamp and the lug up properly - - no luck. Also, on cleaning at home, the piston extension rod and spring popped out from under the sight housing. This had not happened before. Is this supposed to be captive and something broke ? Need a third hand to get it all back together. Rather new to these and can use all the help I can get. TIA Bob Posted on Jun 14 1999, 03:11 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- assembly sks by bud Bob, as I am new to sks also I will not presume to offer my knowledge but if you will go to survivors web site (back to the cabin) at the upper part of this page and select the pictures of sks you will find an on line manual for sks carbines which obviously we all need for safety and maintenance reasons. Good luck bud Posted on Jun 15 1999, 09:43 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- URL for Manual by Survivor Online SKS Manual Posted on Jun 15 1999, 05:39 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dont worry, those problems are often encountered..... by HAL-2000 You have a 1953 Russian SKS? Hmmmmm, let's see, that's given the parts 46 years to lock up tight! To loosen the front site you just have to carefully work it both ways, don't use too much force though or you will break it. As for your other problem, it just sounds as if you've raised the gastube retaining latch one position too far, the latch has three positions(locked, gastube unlocked, and oprod unlocked), to correct the problem, just push the oprod back into it's place and hold it back, it might be easier to hold with the eraser end of a pencil(just dont jab yourself with the other end), then carefully lower the retaining latch down a position, this should lock the oprod in place as long as you had it pushed back far enough. Hope this helps. Posted on Jun 15 1999, 11:03 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- can anyone tell me about "slamfires"? by rick i have heard of this happening, but was never quite sure what it was. i have shot sks' for years and aside from a couple of jams from jung magazines, they have always shot flawless. thanks for the info Posted on Jun 14 1999, 11:04 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Slamfire by Lone Fox Slamfire is when you close the action after loading the firearm. If you let the action slam frorward to lock the round into the chamber. If you have a problem with the firing pin (Stuck, Broken, etc.) it could be sticking out from the bolt face. When the action is slammed forward with the pin sticking out it will hit the rounds primer. Hence the word slamfire. If it is bad enough it could keep shooting until the mag is empty. That is worse case, usually it only shots a few rounds off by accident. Know your target and beyond Lone Fox Posted on Jun 14 1999, 09:23 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Slam fires been there done that by J.A. In the late 80's loaded some soft point ammo for hunting deer with Remington primers. Had slam fires when friend shot at a deer. He said he shot 3 times it sounded like more to me. Unloaded his magazine and there were 3 shells left. So I pulled the bullets and primers switched to Winchester primers and never had any more slam fires. Posted on Jun 15 1999, 06:00 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pistol Grip Stocks - Are They Legal? by Don Is it legal to put a non-folding pistol grip stock on my SKS? Posted on Jun 14 1999, 10:21 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Need a better descrition of the gun by john Is it just your stock sks with no other mods.? Posted on Jun 15 1999, 12:58 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The only thing I've done to it is... by Don The only thing I've done to it is replace the 10 round fixed mag with a 20 round fixed mag. It has a bayonet on it, was on it when I bought it from the dealer. Oh, I also put a muzzle break on it. Posted on Jun 15 1999, 04:54 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SHOULD be ok by john As long as the stock is non-folding. Some insight to many gun laws can be found at subguns.com. I say should be ok because sometimes the laws change and we don't hear about them. This was the case in 1998, at least for me, when it became illegal to remove the bayonet lug and put on a monte carlo stock and then use detachable magazines. That used to be ok but now its not. Anyways I can't be absoultly sure, but I think it is still legal. Posted on Jun 16 1999, 06:20 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The only thing I've done to it is... by Don The only thing I've done to it is replace the 10 round fixed mag with a 20 round fixed mag. It has a bayonet on it, was on it when I bought it from the dealer. Oh, I also put a muzzle break on it. Posted on Jun 15 1999, 06:43 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- About a para type short gas tube. by D.Co Does anybody know if someone makes an all metal replacement for the short tube on a paratroop length gun. it's actually one of the Kali verbooten detachable mag guns and the last time i shot it it was like the wooden handguard was on fire. Posted on Jun 13 1999, 01:03 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Handguard on fire? by DaMan D, you may not have cleaned all the Cosmoline (or the Chinese equivalent) out of the gas tube. You didn't really say what you meant "by one fire". Smoking or hot as hell? If it was smoking, just clean out the gas tube, if red hot......well ease up on the trigger, dude! ;-) Regards! DaMan Posted on Jun 16 1999, 08:27 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Handguard Swapping by DHill Anyone have a surefire technique of replacing gas port hand guards? I purchased an aftermarket stock which installed flawlessly and am looking to replace the wooden handguard with a steel vented. That dadburn rivet/pin holding the guard and port together is doing its job magnificently; the hammer-punch technique is getting me nowhere thus far and I fear using more brute force. I was considering drilling away (carefully) the rivet material as my next option, but the last thing I want to do is compromise the weapon. I see Tapco has the complete assemblies available for $40 and am considering such, but am also seeking the satisfaction of doing the job myself; albeit at the risk of great frustration. Lastly, any word on the quality of the aftermarket vented steel handguards? Thanks guys. Posted on Jun 12 1999, 05:21 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FAQ on Hand guard removal by Ron The following is from the gun-guru KidMary, it helped me and I was successful in putting the new furniture back on the gas tube. Ron The handgard is "permanently attached. You'll therefore have to defeat a pin at the very rear of the assembly as this is the fitting that holds everything together. Do you see it on yours? I'm speaking of the sheet metal escutcheon that protrudes from the rear of the handguard, and the pin that lays across it perpendicular to it. You'll need to drive that sucker out, from left or from right no matter. Don't fret if this connector is difficult to see as they often appear to be part of the escutcheon itself. The hard part will be finding a replacement for it as you may have to damage it in moving it out (be sure to have the correct size punch for the job). When re-installed or a substituted is added, it has to be square with the escutcheon sides or you'll not be able to refit the assembly in place. Folkssucceed in doing this, somehow, so I expect you to be able to as well. Posted on Jun 12 1999, 08:43 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks by DHill I appreciate the reply, Ron; I reckon I just need to learn to swing that hammer a little harder. In that the ends of the pin are ground down flush with the escutcheon it creates what is practically an interference fit, apparently necessitating the application of "brute force". Thanks again. Posted on Jun 13 1999, 04:27 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Flush fit pin by Ron Your welcome, mine was the same way. After the encouragement for KidMary I just went ahead and punched from one direction, and the pin came out with a slight deformation on one end. The dremel was able to smooth the one end of the pin, left the other end "flared". Everything went back together fine. Have fun. Ron Posted on Jun 13 1999, 08:20 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WTB SKS by KScntyCOP I am looking to buy a SKS preferably one already set up for detachable magazines. Willing to pay reasonable price for good rifle. Thanks. Posted on Jun 11 1999, 09:44 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Got one 4 U by moparman Email me for particulars.ANIB and setup. Posted on Jun 13 1999, 08:12 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- sks by Val Are u still looking for an SKS? If so email any particulars you want & I will try to fix you up. I am not a good negotiator, so let me know how much you think is a good price & we'll work on it. I've got 1 w/ a 10 rd fixed mag, 1 w/a chinese 20 rd fixed mag & 1 w/ steel 30 rd detachable mag. E-mail pcg8r@earthlink.net Posted on Jun 13 1999, 07:52 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Millet scope mount by guthrie Has anyone tried the millet mount that was discussed below? I am wondering how it preformed and the cost..TIA guthrie Posted on Jun 11 1999, 11:05 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My question too! by DaMan Also, I have been unable to bring up the Millet site! What is the correct URL? TIA DaMan Posted on Jun 12 1999, 02:24 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- www.millettsights.com by DaMan Thanks to Guthrie for correct URL! This mount looks good! With a red dot or a low power intermediate eye relief scope! Waiting to hear from someone who's tried this mount! Regards! DaMan Posted on Jun 12 1999, 08:54 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Christ theyre banning SKS in CA! THE END IS NEAR! by SIGFOLLEN WHAT STARTS OUT THERE COMES EAST- GUN CONFISCATION IS THAT MUCH CLOSER! WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO? FIGHT THE NATIONAL GUARD BOYS? IS THAT WHATS COMING? ANOTHER CIVIL WAR? Posted on Jun 10 1999, 06:49 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- don't be alarmed--controller just want to help you by TEXAS LAWMAN Now let us not over-react. You couldn't possibly believe the gun-control people (i.e. government) will go any further once they get your SKS-D (just think, the Kalif. AG will pay you $230 for it). Why, the antis wouldn't think of passing 2nd Amendment restrictions in increments, would they? Folks, NOW is the time to write, call, fax, e-mail your U.S. Congressman & do it multiple times. We still have a chance to postpone CIVIL WAR II. Do it today! Posted on Jun 11 1999, 08:44 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I got one question for you TEXAS Lawman. by razu Here it is, as a rep of law enforcement on this board, the only one I can recal openly expressing this affiliation, which side of the issue do you and your colligues fall in this discussion. I have been a law abiding citizen to date {as far as I know, they keep adding to the cannot do law list} and plan to allow "them" to pry my cold fingers from my property, then and only then. I have written my rep and congressman neumerous times, and am looking for any group in this great state that has already begun a non-show of arms protest in AUSTIN. I am not a leader and wouldn't know how to get the ball rolling, but am willing to spend as much of my free time as needed, or even spend my vac. I live in PLANO. If you have heard of any such protest or are willing to coridinate any such protest, please let me know. RC Posted on Jun 11 1999, 05:26 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by TEXAS LAWMAN Have not heard of a planned protest but recall one took place in Austin a few years ago. Suggest you contact Texas State Rifle Assoc. (www.tsra.com) for info & a discussion on same. Can't speak for my brother officers--this one has never & isn't going to bother law-abiding folks for 'violating' some unconstitutional law. I took an oath to uphold the Texas & US constitutions. I have never bothered good folks who happened to have a handgun in car while speeding, etc. Many officers' spouses carry 'illegally' and have for years. Would be pretty hypocritical to arrest someone else for same. (Why, I've even been known to possess hollow point ammo in NJ.) Gun control has occurred in increments in the US. Hasn't accomplished squat. Concealed carry permit systems in some 31 states have indisputably helped to lower the violent crime rate. (It really galls me that the other 49 states are not like Vermont, where one may carry without anyone's permission.) Keep the faith, fellow Texan. We can win this battle! Posted on Jun 12 1999, 06:24 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by GaryC Hey Texas Lawman, I believe you are correct (ofcourse you'd know more than me). I live in Texas and was wearing a small holster once when I stopped at a store to get a few things, I usaully take it off after before I go anywhere but forgot. Anyway a cop spotted it and followed me to my truck, he asked me if I had a firearm inside the truck (I thought I was in for it now). I told him I did and then he asked to see it, so I showed it to him. He called in to make sure I was not wanted for anything and when I came back clean he wished me a good day and left. This was just before concealed carry. Glad I live in Texas where freedom and God still mean something. Good Day! Posted on Jun 13 1999, 05:04 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I doubt Jesus will be involved in this issue.... by guy even though in Matthew he told his disciples to sell their coats to buy a sword, if they didn't have one....I find your language offensive Posted on Jun 15 1999, 04:01 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yet another fact challenged news story by Rebel This quote is in an article from the USA TODAY internet site: "Another fugitive caught with the instant background check was Joseph Salisbury Jr. A landscaper from Monroe County, Mich., he was arrested May 11 at a local gun store when he tried to buy a SKS semi-automatic rifle, the Chinese version of the AK-47. Salisbury, 24, says he wanted it for hunting." Wow ! I always thought the SKS preceded the AK-47 and was developed by the Russians..... Another fine example of the accuracy in the media. Posted on Jun 10 1999, 05:57 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AKs next by Ilya Sounds to me like someone is preparing to go after AKs. What do you think? Posted on Jun 11 1999, 10:47 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Help please on windage adjust asap by AZFloyd I have an AK type of rifle but I guess the windage adjustment is about the same (?). I have an SA 93. What I'm wondering is how to adjust the windage on the front site. Do I punch the big pin one way or another. Going shooting tommorow and hoping for some info. thanks a head of time. Posted on Jun 10 1999, 03:09 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don't use a drift punch!...ct by Gary Move that "big pin" the correct way, with a screw-type sight adjuster. You might be able to fabricate one from a small C-clamp and a spare socket from your toolbox. Use the end of the threaded portion of the clamp to push against the "big pin". Center the other end of the "big pin" in an oversized socket, so that as the clamp is tightened, the pin can move into the hollow space inside the socket. Or, go stop at a local gunshop and see if they have an AK/SKS front sight adjusting tool - it's easier to use. Posted on Jun 11 1999, 09:28 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks much! Thats all i needed to know. nt by AZFloyd nt Posted on Jun 11 1999, 10:09 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Replacing front sight assembly and bayonet lug... ct by Gary Hello to all. First, thanks to all who've posted tons of valuable information here, you helped me track down the last few parts that I needed to complete my old SKS barreled receiver. The last parts to be installed are the above mentioned sight assembly and bayonet lug. I purchased the barreled receiver in 1990, it was simply noted as an SKS on the 4473, no reference to an incomplete weapon. As far as anyone knows, it was complete at that time -- so I feel that I can safely configure it as a "pre-ban" However, as always your comments are welcome. The front sight has to go on anyway, regardless of the bayonet lug issue. The part that I received (from Classic Arms) is a barrel stub cut from a scrapped SKS, so I have to drive out the pins and remove the parts from that barrel stub and then install them on my barrel. Questions: Before I drag out the punches and the hammer, are those pins tapered (as on the AR-15 sight)? If so, do you drive them out left-to-right, or vice versa? Once "de-pinned", are the parts a tight "press fit" requiring heat, or are they silver soldered? Alignment won't be a problem, my barrel is already "notched" for the pins. I'd appreciate any insight into this job, thanks in advance for your comments and suggestions. Gary Posted on Jun 10 1999, 08:23 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- front sight and bayo lug by Tom O. Gary, I've done this job and have got to tell you its not easy. The pins are straight so it does not matter which side you drive from. I would look to see if one side is mushroomed from installtion and drive from the opposite side. Use a short stubby punch as a full length one will probably bend or break (these pins are really tight). I also used a propane torch to heat the metal surrounding the pin, try not to heat the pin. Make sure you use a good solid block to support it while you drive the pins out. Once the pins are out the next problem is getting the barrel stub pressed out. It too is a very tight press fit. The first thig I suggest you do is drill out as much of the barrel stub as possible. This will weaken the wall and allow it te be removed much easier.A little heat from the propane torch helps here too. I have tried to remove them without drilling out the barrel stub but only succeded in bending the bayo mount lugs. I ended up making a fixture for pressing out the barrel stub using an arbor press it works much better than the hammer and punch routine. Once you have gotten the bayo mount off the next problem is getting it on the new barrel (remenber this is a very tight press fit). My understanding is the factory had special alignment fixtures and presses to do the job. Don't try to eyeball it and drive it on with a hammer trust me it won't work been there done that. what will work is to hone out the inside diameter of the bayo mount untill it will just start to slide on with a twisting motion. This needs to be just right too loose and It will never stay put too tight and it may get stuck part way on. Just hone a little and try it then hone some more and try again untill you get it right. I've had good results using this method but I do have a machine shop at my disposal (this helps). Be patient and don't force it you should be ok. ps The pins are metric 2.5mm Hard to find but 3/32" roll pins will work Tom O. Posted on Jun 15 1999, 07:58 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for the suggestions (ctxt) by Gary Especially the prep ideas such as lightly honing the inside surfaces until it's a tight slip fit. I have a machine shop that will help too (I may get them to drill out the barrel stub, they've got more drill bits than me!), but for the honing I may try a tool that has sat unused for years: A small hone designed for valve lifter bores and disk brake caliber cylinders. I think it will adjust below 1/2", it *should* work. A multi-speed cordless drill should allow the correct amount of control. Also, I could try freezing the barrel and heating the sight and bayonet lug in boiling water - that will often do the trick. As you pointed out, you do have to position it correctly before the parts lock together. My wife would probably get suspicious when I offer to clean out the fridge, though! ;-) Again, thanks for your help. I'm off to the garage! Regards, Gary Posted on Jun 16 1999, 10:31 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by Welch / English American OK guys, new member of forum and need your help.. just purchased sks paratrooper soaked in cosmoline except for the middle of the gas tube which is rusted badly. Where can I find a replacement ? Thanks Bud Posted on Jun 09 1999, 02:32 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gas tube replacement by ron Check out TAPCO. www.tapco.com Good people to buisness with. Posted on Jun 09 1999, 05:31 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- THANKS RON by BUD Thanks Ron, will check them out. Still gathering sources for good stuff. Posted on Jun 10 1999, 07:17 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yo. Check this out. by Snakebite http://www.sksbuyback.org/illegal60.ram (Copy and paste address into your browser window). You'll need an audio program to hear this ad. Not a fake. The real McCoy. The voice of Big Brother in Kalifornia. Get used to it :o) Posted on Jun 08 1999, 10:27 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7.62x39 ammo 124.95 delivered...Cole's dist. ...got mine in three days! by paraman http://x-pointcgi.com/cgi-bin/users/3081/wwwboard/messages/2937.html http://www.cole-distributing.com/ Posted on Jun 07 1999, 06:57 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ps. that's per 1000(HP)russian&new{NTXT} by paraman ;'} Posted on Jun 07 1999, 06:59 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FIXED MAG. CONVERSION FOR SKS-D RIFLES by Duane I picked some info on another board about a fixed mag. conversion kit for the SKS-D rifle that conforms with California law. The Co. is Becker Metal Fabrication at www.beckermfab@aol.com Posted on Jun 05 1999, 10:33 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is this a screwed-up world, or what? (ct) by Gary Remember the endless threads about "How do I convert my fixed-magazine SKS to use AK removable magazines?"... now we've come full circle. On the bright side, at least the SKS is designed to allow loading through the top, unlike the AK-47 design which can only be configured for removable magazines. Think about it... without those detachable magazines, the AKs, ARs and such would be useless. It's good to have a few rifles that are not dependant on detachable feeding devices. That's why detachable box magazines have been so slow to gain acceptance in hunting rifles; it's another part that can be dropped, lost, damaged or forgotten on the pickup truck's seat. Keep 'em oiled! Gary Posted on Jun 07 1999, 08:13 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To re-stock...Or not to re-stock?? by BunkrRat I found a fantastically excellent "folding" type stock [it's actually a non-folder] and I am thinking about taking the original stock off of my 1953 Tula arsenal SKS. The stock is in excellent shape and I am thinking it might save a bit on the softwood stock. Is that just vanity, or is it a worthwhile investment of $39.97? Posted on Jun 05 1999, 09:00 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Taking STOCK of the SKS... by RUSSki ... I recently shot a Chinese mil-surp gun with a side-folder on it. The only advantage with it folded seems to be in carrying and storing the rifle. I personally don't like the "sporters" that look like a folder but are pinned-open because they obviously have been made that way because of yet another damned gun-law. Too much of a visible reminder of how neutered the Second Amendment is becoming! I do like the Monte Carlo design (the one with the slight extenstion where the hand grip is at the rear of the receiver). The original Russian wood is nice. It's got an air of history about it, looks good, isn't too heavy and seems reasonably strong. Still, with the strength and weight considerations, I'd probably go synthetic if I was going to have my SKS as a primary or "working" defensive arm. The synthetic is more resistant to cleaning materials, too. If you swap-out your Tula wood, be sure to clean and safely store the original. It may come in handy later as a replacement, and it will certainly retain value as an original item! Posted on Jun 05 1999, 04:53 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS Jungle stocks by Dean I still have a couple more of these for sale: $15.00 plus shipping Posted on Jun 05 1999, 07:13 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fixed Magazine Question by Ramsey I just received my 30 round fixed magazine from ctd today and Installed it on my chinese sks. I was a little worried when I opend the box and found a large magazine that looked like a thirty round detachable but to install it you have put the magazine in first and then install the trigger assembly just like the original 10 round and you can not remove the magazine by pulling on the magazine release you have to take the trigger assembly back out. Is this what they consider a fixed magazine? living here in california I'm afraid to do anything to my Sks, should I worry about this modification at the range? Just want to be legal and not have to worry every time I want to go shooting. Any information would be greatly appreciated Thanks Ramsey Posted on Jun 04 1999, 11:01 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don't worry,they'll pass another law soon by and you too can be an instant criminal!(nt) nt Posted on Jun 05 1999, 06:25 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sounds like a "fixed" mag to me...ct by Gary However, as the other response points out, "They'll pass another law soon...". So, under existing CA law, it may be legal to own a fixed-mag SKS AND that 30-round *fixed* *pre-ban* high-capacity magazine may also be legal, but the problems may come from the fact that "removable" is a relative term. The legislature could easily expand the existing ban to include "disassembly" type removable magazines. They have not done so, *yet*... The "Sunshine State" seems pretty gloomy to me, of late. Gary Posted on Jun 07 1999, 08:04 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rescue those California Sporters! by Gary Perhaps we could organize an "airlift" of sorts, a one-for-one trade of "standard" SKS rifles for the Californians' SKS-D Sporter models. Hey, the standard SKS is still okay in CA (for now), we just have to figure a way to contact the folks in California about the proposal. I know a few of us have a "spare" SKS that they'd like to swap for a detachable-mag model. Just trying to spare these rifles from the cutting torch, what do you guys think? Would you take a fixed-mag SKS in exchange for your SKS-D (similar condition), rather than take the $230 government voucher? Gary Posted on Jun 04 1999, 03:49 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think it's a great idea. Keeps the people somewhat armed. ntxt by vic . Posted on Jun 04 1999, 04:20 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FIXED MAG CONVERSION KIT FOR SKS-D RIFLES by Duane I picked up on another board that Becker Metal Fabrication has a fixed mag. conversion kit for the SKS-D rifles. E-Mail at www.beckermfab@aol.com which will satisfy kalifornia law. Posted on Jun 05 1999, 10:28 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wolf ammo ? by Bob J. Have seen ad in SGN and the web for Wolf ammo. Seems I read some time back that this was essentially the same Russian factory stuff as usual, but "rebranded" to get around milsurp import limitations. The ads claim that it is superior to the normal fodder. Am interested in their 7.62 X 39 HP. Anyone have experience with this ammo? Posted on Jun 03 1999, 05:35 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yep, same stuff, ctxt... by LongDuck If you've used the Russian HP up to this point, you've grown familiar with the lacquered steel cases, the gold primers and sealant applied to the bullet/seat and primer/pocket to waterproof this round. The WOLF brand stuff is identical to older Russian JHP rounds that used to come in a plain white box with minimal lettering. Even the paper spacers within the box are the same. I think that this ammo has been repackaged to get around the military surplus issue and can then be imported as 'sporting' ammunition or 'hunting' ammunition legally and without hassle by Klinton (let's hope, for now, anyway!). It shoots identically to the older 'white-box' and once it's out of the box, you'll have a very hard time telling the difference (if you can at all). I'm happy with my purchase and squirreled away 1000 round case for when this ammo becomes hard to find - or expensive to buy from American manufacturers who will surely make a buck on the bans that Klinton is proposing. Keep in mind that many of the gun lobbyists are also into Congress for stipulations on certain things so that their industry can advance - meaning making a profit off of consumers. This may be one of the reasons why 10 round magazines were introduced (to beef up domestic suppliers costs) and with the import ammo ban (to increase profits for American distributors). There's always an agenda at work... Posted on Jun 03 1999, 01:26 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That's not the reason Longduck. by D.Co The cheap Chinese ammo/SKS thing was done for 1 reason. people start shooting young. If they don't, they probably won't start at all. A young guy with $200 in his pocket used to be able to go to a gunshow and get a SKS and a case of a thousand rounds and still have change to go to the range. Now you can't get that. The less people who shoot the less resistance to gun laws/confiscation. Young college guys who shoot on weekends grow up to be doctors, lawyers, engineers and businessmen with money who contribute to political campaigns which is where the real power is. If they don't start then there's less resistance. Posted on Jun 13 1999, 12:35 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What would you do? by Snakebite What would you do if you found out your neighbors were plotting to rape your wife? Let's suppose your neighbors, in this instance, are five biker dudes living in the same house. Big, mean, hairy, very bad breath. You know they're plotting to rape your wife, because you happened to overhear their conversation as you walked by an open window one day. And you don't believe they're bluffing because you know first hand they've done other such terrible things before. Would you call the cops? Of course you would. But what if the cops weren't interested in your problem? Maybe they aren't convinced of your story or have more pressing matters to attend to. Whatever the reason, you can't count on their help to prevent this horrible thing from taking place. And let's also say, for the sake of argument, that there are no neighbors to come to your aid. Maybe they don't care or are all on vacation. In other words, you're on your own. The next day, you again walk by the open window and hear that the biker dudes are planning to rape your wife soon. Probably within the next few days. You hear them say that they're going to take care of you first, then take their sweet time having fun with your lovely wife. Again, everything you've seen and heard of these bad biker dudes tells you that they're not only capable of this dispicable act, but more than likely to carry through with it. What would you do? Actually, you've got three choices. First, you can pack up and leave. Abandon the house to the wolves--or at least until the bad biker dudes get tired of your neighborhood and decide to move on to greener pastures. Of course, if you do that, chances are other bad biker dudes will move into your empty home, threatening other neighbors, who will pack up and move out, and so on--until the entire neighborhood is taken over by biker dudes. Not exactly a pleasant--or courageous--option. Second, you can prepare yourself as best you can and wait for them to come to you. This is a legitimate option--assuming you prepare adequately and have a decent backup plan should they manage to pull something unexpected. But then, of course, there's always the problem of not knowing when, exactly, they'll strike. Waiting can be a bitch. Third, you can take the fight to them. Preemptive strike. At least you'll have the element of surprise on your side, and the option of deciding when--and where--to attack. From a purely tactical standpoint (without regard to the legal issues involved), which plan makes the most sense? Which option gives you the greatest chance of not only surviving, but of maintaining your dignity and freedom as well? OK, sorry for the long, drawn-out scenario, but as you've probably guessed by now, it was merely an analogy, perhaps a rather crude one. So, what's it analogous to? Well, you see, at this very moment, there are at least a dozen (probably more) well-organized anti-gun groups in this country plotting how not only to restrict your gun rights, but how to ultimately do away with them altogether. Huh? What's that you say? I seem to have overstated the danger by using the "bad biker" analogy? Well, before you jump to that conclusion, let's consider a few points. First of all, the mere fact of civilian gun ownership has a palpable--though admittedly unmeasurable--deterrent effect on crime. Take away private ownership of guns, and you eliminate at least that facet of deterrence, leaving yourself--and your family--that much more at risk. Second, the Supreme Court has already determined that local law enforcement agencies cannot be held liable for failing to protect individuals from criminal acts. Their responsibility is to the community at large, to the safety of the general population. So much for the dial-a-cop solution to crime offered by gun banners. Third, if guns are banned, then you can bet your last dollar it will lead to calls for more extensive police protection, which in turn will lead not only to higher taxes, but still more laws, rules, regulations and government intrustion (in the interest of "safety," mind you) than we already endure. And fourth, a general ban on guns--particularly "military-style" guns--will essentially circumvent the original intent of the Second Amendment, which was to provide the people with at least the potential for resisting a tyrannical government. The Second Amendment has nothing to do with protecting hunting rights, nor does it establish a right to keep and bear arms. Rather, it was intended to protect a right pre-existing the amendment itself. As I see it, the gun-grabbers out there who are formulating strategies to undermine the Second Amendment--and using the three branches of government to do it--are every bit the threat to your wellbeing as those bikers dudes were in my analogy. This subject is far too vast to cover adequately in the few paragraphs I've written here, but I am at least afforded the opportunity to leave you with this thought: Your present attitude toward, and response to, those who are even now seeking to deprive you of your God-given and constitutional rights will, ultimately, determine the attitude and response necessary to regain those rights in the future. In other words, the longer we placate--or worse, ignore--the enemies of our liberty, the more difficult it will be to repair the damage they're allowed to do. They are not your friends. They are not mere political opponents. They are, quite simply, your enemies. And the longer we wait to engage them on the battlefield of ideas, using every legal and ethical means at our disposal, the more certain it becomes that we will meet them on another battlefield, one far less forgiving of indifference. Keep the fire burning bright! Posted on Jun 02 1999, 04:33 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Off Topic, BUT SO WHAT, We Need Such Motivation... by RUSSki I hope Survivor will be a little forgiving with the above "Non-SKS" post. It IS in a way, though, because the SKS represents one of the most affordable, easily maintained, accurate and reliable "militia" arms out there. As soon as the AntiGun Cadre sniffs-out these facts, then the move will be on to ban this "obviously non-sporting, military-issued" design. It is well past time for us to engage the enemy in more tangible ways than griping to one another and clenching our fists in rage. Don't roll your eyes, people, as you no-doubt hear "vote, write congress, etc" coming next. Well, you're right. DO THOSE THINGS, but also get really curious about HCI and the other AntiFreedom Terrorists/Propagandists out there. Call their 1-800 numbers ALOT. Send in dozens of requests for their brochures - so what if some of the reply-to addresses are bogus - or are for known antigunners in the media, etc. All of these things are non-violent ways to hinder and fight those seeking no less than a total ban on all privately-owned guns. It comes down to fighting the SOBs like this, or having to "do the other thing". Let this be one instance in which we don't have to be pushed THAT far! Oh, and God Bless Mr Bob Lippman @ Cole Distributing for his great e-mailed ProGun updates and NON-Gouger prices on ammo, ESPECIALLY 7.62x39. Posted on Jun 02 1999, 08:51 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WOW!! You Touched a Nerve by TEXAS LAWMAN I have quietly thought through the preemptive strike idea a few hundred times over the past 20 years. If I were sure the enemies could and were about to hurt my loved ones, I'd DO IT! But I'd have to be CERTAIN they would do it. Otherwise, I'd just be extra vigilant. Got a pretty stout house w/alarm etc., have lots of firepower instantly available, family members all hit their targets, can radio & have 15-20 police here in a couple of minutes. Lots of folks do not have the luxury of waiting to see what will happen. Now, what about those groups/persons who are about to drive the last nail in our "constitutional rights coffin" -- haven't answered this question yet -- had better take some time and do some serious thinkin'. THANK YOU for the reminders!!! Posted on Jun 03 1999, 01:58 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Unintended Consequences by Dean Great book by John Ross, Required reading for all gun people/patriots! Posted on Jun 03 1999, 03:06 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'd go for option two, unless... ct by Gary I was able to get continuous audio surveillance on them. Were that the case and I could hear their plans in detail, I might go for the preemptive strike. It'd sure be nice to have the element of surprise on my side, but in any case, they've already tipped their hand. If I chose to let them come to me, that'd do just fine. This sounds like a great scenario for "The Red Zone", the concealed-carry "what-if" game over at www.recguns.com. I think The Red Zone could use some new scenarios, perhaps one involving an armed teacher on school grounds. Check it out. Posted on Jun 04 1999, 11:31 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How do I make trigger creep adjustments? by Gunner Does anyone know how to do any trigger work on a milled trigger group? Mine is too rough. Don't need the name of a gunsmith, I prefer to do the work myself. Posted on Jun 02 1999, 02:22 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tuning trigger by Pete/OR Hello Gunner My old computer locks up if I send to long a message, so send me your e-mail address and I will explain what you need a little at a time. Pete pcyote@pioneer-net.com Posted on Jun 04 1999, 11:39 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Trigger by Gunner Respond to gunner3160@aol.com. Any info given will be appreciated. Posted on Jun 05 1999, 04:14 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Trigger tuning... ct by Gary Fellas, could you please post the details here on the board, once you've exchanged info? Most of us have some idea of what's needed, but almost everyone adds an idea or two. I think everyone would appreciate the tech info, if only to print it out for future reference. Thanks, Gary Posted on Jun 07 1999, 08:19 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS trigger job #1 by Pete/OR You probably know a lot of this stuff, but I will begin from the beginning just to be be sure we got it all covered. With a little work, and taking the trigger assem. apart, you can figure out how it works. Nice to have another assembled trigger setup to help guide you in reassembly. First remove the trigger assem. Dry fire the rifle to let the hammer down. You do this so the hammer will release the sear for removal. Put the saftey on. Just behind the trigger guard there is a hole with a locking post sticking up that has an indent in it. Push forward on the post with a small punch in the indent and the trigger assem. will pop up a bit. Lift the trigger assem. up and back to the rear to remove. Posted on Jun 07 1999, 10:42 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS tigger job #2 by Pete/OR Remove the pin at the front to the trigger assem. This allows the removal of the magazine latch, sear spring, and sear which is a square block which slides on rails. You can polish the top of the sear which is the contact surface with a very fine new stone. Take care to keep the surface of the sear flat and true. This will smooth and reduce the trigger pull. You can reduce the trigger travel by shortening the contact surface of the sear under the hammer. You do this by putting a slight bevel on the front of the sear from the contact surface down to the top of the slide grove. This bevel shortens the top surface somewhat less than a 1/16". Its a "bevel a bit", reasssemble, check travel, and repeat. Hope this helps! Good luck! If you need more info contact me. pcyote@pioneer-net.com Posted on Jun 07 1999, 10:54 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS trigger job by Pete/OR--Don't oil trigger assem.It attracts dirt. . Posted on Jun 07 1999, 11:02 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bullpup stock by Bob Werner Anybody here have any dealings with BP Sports? They advertised a bullpup stock for the SKS over a year ago, but it looks like they have run into production/financing problems. Are they still a going concern? Posted on Jun 02 1999, 10:19 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Forward Scopemount for SKS? by Al Benecki I was thinking of making a custom sccope mount fo the SKS.One that would mount forward on the barrel or gas tube ass.and use a long eye relief scope,kinda like a scout scope setup.I am a tool and die maker so haveing it machined is no trouble.Any suggestions or input or ideas welcome.Al Posted on Jun 01 1999, 10:32 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- YES! by Grant R. Aikin I have often wondered why this kind of mout is so hard to find. With the poliferation of LER/EER rifle and pistol scopes this would seem a natural. Besides, the layout of the SKS really lends it's self to this type of mount. I would think a simple "U" shaped bracket of 1/8 in steel or 1/4 in aluminum over the reciever, above, or in lue of the rear sight would be the way to go. Maybe use 4 hex screws with poined tips (2 on either side of the reciever) to secure it to the reciever block. Perhaps the block would be contured in such a way that the bracket would fit flush to allow one to tap 4 small holes into the reciever for the points of the hex srews to fit in. This would obviate the need for professional dilling and taping of the reciever. The top of the bracket (the "base" of the "U" shape) would have a tang that jutted out somewhat over the gastube. Along it there would be several treaded holes for the installation of the prevailing weaver rail or Piccattiny rail if you prefer. If this helps, no royalties needed, just send me a couple of samples. I think this is a long overdue project and would be happy to further it along. Posted on Jun 02 1999, 08:42 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good idea!! by 10/22 junkie If you have any success in attempting this it would be highly desirable because the scope mounts on factory rear covers just don't seem to hold still. Also removing the reciever cover will not bring the scope back to zero when replaced after cleaning out the action. Since through cleaning is required after shooting surplus corrosive ammo. Write back soon on the results. 10/22 Junkie Posted on Jun 02 1999, 10:06 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Scout" configuration (ctxt) by Gary Okay, here's my two cents: I have a copy of an old magazine article on the hunting merits of the 7.62x39 cartridge. It showed a picture of a Ruger Mini-30 and an SKS standing side-by-side, and the SKS had a forward-mounted scope. That article was published in American Rifleman magazine, somewhere in the 1987 to 1991 period, so there have been people tinkering with the idea for some time. When I saw the scope, my first thought was that it was mounted too close to the muzzle, it was in fact mounted to the gas tube *in front of the handguard*, wayyy out there. I believe it is a scope mount designed for use on the Thompson-Center Contender pistol. I know that if you search the web for "Scout rifle", you'll find a site (can't remember the URL) that details a number of "economy scout rifles", all based on Enfield, Mauser or Moisin-Nagant surplus weapons. The Contender scope mount is mentioned there, too. So, what if one were to go buy a spare wood handguard and carefully cut a slot down the center, staying away from the ends so it won't break in half? A slot just long enough to clear the scope mount would be perfect, and it'd allow the scope to attach to the gas tube directly in front of the receiver, rather than perched way up front. There are currently replacement Chinese gas tube assemblies that must be filed a tiny bit to fit, the gas tube lock cam won't close unless you bevel that rear top edge a bit, hand-fitting one of those would provide a tighter-fitting gas tube and a sturdier place to mount the scope. Another idea is to fabricate a split "figure eight" clamp to solidly bind the barrel and gas tube together. The Scout scope design that was posted here a few months ago incorporated that into its design. I'm thinking more along the lines of those support clamps that are used on shotguns with magazine tube extensions, they squeeze from the sides. Heck, some simple steel strap wrapped around the gas tube and barrel, then drilled between the gas tube and barrel and pinched with a small bolt and nylon locknut - that would secure it from moving. Thoughts, comments, criticisms, whaddaya think? Posted on Jun 03 1999, 10:02 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A good idea... by V-Shrake Definitely something to work on, but I think the best way to go would be to have the scope mount replace the rear sight assembly. Putting it on the gas tube, while easier, leaves us with the same dilemna as the receiver-mounted scopes: loss of zero everytime you clean the weapon. I clean the gas system after every trip to the range, as do most people shooting the SKS, I'm sure. Also, putting it on the gas tube would place it too far forward. Posted on Jun 03 1999, 08:54 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- All good ideas. by Al Benecki I was thinking of trying to replace the front sight assb. as the backpart of the mount and fabricate aa figure 8 clamp that would attach to the barrel and allow the gas tube to pass thru to allow the gas tube to be removed without bothering the mount.I want to 1.be able to leave the scope zeroed and semi-permentant mount 2.try not to drill and tap or harm the firearm so that it can't be brought back to original condition without alot of hassle.3.make the mount strong,fixed and as low to rifle as possible.Al Posted on Jun 03 1999, 11:17 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How about this? by DaMan Use the rear sight base. Remove the rear sight bar and leaf spring and use the base as a platform for mounting a no-gunsmithing (ie. drilling and tapping) type mount with an integral Weaver type rail. With a low-power (2 1/2 X ?)intermediate eye relief scope, this would be "the ticket"! I think all SKS scope mounting systems that use the receiver cover, the gas tube or the barrel, are doomed to failure! If there is some ambitious machinist out there looking for a project, let me know and I'll send you my design ideas. Send me an e-mail with subject: SKS Forward Mount. DaMan Posted on Jun 05 1999, 07:41 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- great idea but already out there! by Fourdeuce Millett sights make them for not only the sks,but also the ak,mac90 types.Mini 14's also.Do a web search for their web site. Posted on Jun 06 1999, 09:25 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks... by Grant R. Aikin That's on the web at millett.com. It looks like you remove the rear sight, repin the Millet mount in its place and tension the system tight with a screw on the bracket of the mount. Great Idea! Posted on Jun 06 1999, 03:03 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A Sad State, California by Ron Dear Friends of the SKS forum, please read the following link. It is indeed a sign of possible things to come elswhere. Please write, fax, email, call your congress people and tell them no more new gun laws! Join the NRA or GOA and do all that you can do to stop this insanity! Ron http://www.sksbuyback.org/1.html Posted on May 31 1999, 09:05 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by Grant R. Aikin While this new law is stupid, try not to sweat it to much. An SKS is much better with the original 10 or 20 round fixed mag than with any of the highly impractical 30 round detachable mags. A stripper clip can be kept loaded forever and it is even easier to reload than "rock in" AK type mags. Forget about those mags with the long tang, you'd be dead by the time you got it seated. You can also forget trying to low crawl with a 30 round mag, it will catch on every stray leaf, twig and vine, and taking up a good prone position is right out. Besides, the "Sporter" is one of the worst SKS production runs. However, with used SKS's running around $150, I think you could make a nice profit if you hit some of the out of state gun shows. Posted on Jun 01 1999, 09:27 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don't get too excited over the money... by Gary From what I've read, it does not seem certain that the funding for the $230 per rifle has actually been obtained. Go read the thread at www.thefiringline.com, under General Discussion. It abso****ingposilutely blows. Well... now I guess we really know for sure where all the commies went, hell, even Gorbachev has a place there. Home away from home... Another point: Even if the potential exists to turn a handsome profit, I'd rather see my SKS sitting on a used gun rack in some other state than torched by the Californicators. Thank God I don't live there, but I'm not breathing a sigh of relief. This'll likely spread beyond Califoria, probably first to the East coast. Remember in "Wargames", when they designated Las Vegas as Ground Zero? Their windage was off a bit, should've aimed further west. Posted on Jun 02 1999, 03:18 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you think that is bad, check this one out! by Steve S. Home - Yahoo! - My Yahoo! - Help -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! News Politics Headlines Wednesday June 2 12:04 AM ET Tough Assault Gun Bill Passes Calif. Senate Full Coverage Gun Control Debate SACRAMENTO, Calif. (Reuters) - California's state Senate Tuesday approved a tough gun control measure that officials say is an important step toward creating ``the toughest assault weapon ban in the nation.'' The Senate, in a 22-to-13 vote, passed the bill authored by Democratic Sen. Don Perata, who said it could help prevent tragedies like the April 20 massacre of 13 people at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado, by two teen-age gunmen. ``One of the weapons used in the Columbine High School ... would have been illegal under SB23, under my bill,'' Perata said, referring to a TEC-DC/9 assault pistol. ``It is now legal under current California law because it is a copycat and it was manufactured to evade the law.'' Political observers expect the bill to be passed by the state Assembly and sent to the desk of Democratic Gov. Gray Davis, who has vowed to sign it. The Perata bill is designed to build on state legislation passed after a California schoolyard shooting in 1989 which banned specific models of military-style semiautomatic weapons, but left ``copycat'' weapons sold with slightly altered designs and names still legal. Perata's bill seeks to ban weapons based on basic characteristics and firepower rather than just model names. The measure also would ban the manufacture and sale of large-capacity ammunition magazines. A similar bill passed both the state Senate and the state Assembly last year, but was vetoed by outgoing Republican Gov. Pete Wilson, who declared it was a ``maze which would entrap the unwary'' and lead to endless litigation. Perata says he is confident the bill will once again pass the Democratic-controlled assembly, and Wilson's successor, Democratic Gov. Gray Davis, has pledged to sign the bill, which he has called ``the toughest assault weapon ban in the nation.'' ``I am determined that these weapons will become illegal on my watch,'' Davis told reporters in April. ``There is no justification whatsoever for them on the streets of a civilized society,'' he said. Some Republicans in the state Senate used Tuesday's debate to repeat their opposition to the bill, which critics say will be hard to enforce because similar weapons have been in circulation for so long. Opponents also say the wording of the bill is so broad that many hunting and sport guns would become illegal. ``It may make people feel really good and safe but I can guarantee you it will never work,'' said Republican Sen. Maurice Johannesen. ``So why don't we just concentrate on punishments for those who use them illegally rather than trying to disarm those that own them legally.'' Perata's bill would require owners to submit to a background check, register their weapons and convert magazines to hold a maximum of only 10 rounds. Posted on Jun 02 1999, 12:34 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yup pretty bad by Todd ``One of the weapons used in the Columbine High School ... would have been illegal under SB23, under my bill,'' Perata said, referring to a TEC-DC/9 assault pistol." Yes but has anyone ever thought that maybe they would have just gotten this type of gun from the blackmarket or simply have used something else? What about those bombs made up of common items you can get anywhere, haven't heard alot about those. And when these new laws don't work they'll just try to pass more, it's the liberal way. Sorry Kal residents, your state currently sucks. Posted on Jun 08 1999, 06:25 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sad, but true! by Steve s. I feel trapped here! Posted on Jun 09 1999, 10:28 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- They are trying to help us ;) by Me Look, the nice people from the Government are just trying to help... look at how the cocaine problem in this country has disappeared now that it is illegal... Me Posted on Jun 09 1999, 10:08 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Long Term NoRust Gun Storage Bags by bb Some free info. http://members.aol.com/norustbags Posted on Jun 04 1999, 02:30 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Create your own forum at Netbabbler SKS Discussion Forum SKS Discussion Forum This board is dedicated to the discussion of the SKS rifle, feel free to ask all your questions here. I have decided to allow buying and selling of SKS (only)parts and accessories on this board. Send Comments and Questions to Survivor Survival Buy and Sell Forum General Gun Talk AK Discussion Forum -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- D C Enginering 37 round magazine by Ramsey I seen in an ad for A D C engineering 37 round magazine that says it can either be mounted fixed or detachable.Has anyone used one? Arthey legal if you mount them fixed?Are they easy too load in the fixed position. i would like to buy one if they are legal and easy to use. My 20 round fixed magazine was sure a dissappointment. I could never get it to work and would like to have a larger capacity legal magazine. any help would be appreciated. thanks Ramsey Posted on May 27 1999, 09:47 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 37 Round Mag by Doc I bought one when I first got my Norinco SKS. It was the biggest piece of junk I've ever seen. Cheap with a lot of mis-feeds. Save you money...buy stripper clips and stick with the standard 10 rounders. Posted on May 27 1999, 12:33 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not to mention by john They are a pain in the butt to use when trying to shoot in the prone position. Posted on May 28 1999, 10:37 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Could Try? by Al Benecki USA mags make a fixed 20 and 30 round,I think Cheaper Than Dirt has them,maybe Tapco,or SKS Man.My 30 round detachable works fine on both my SKS's.China para. and Russian stock SKS.I also tried the fixed 20 round China one with a staar embossed on the side,had to hand file and fit in order to get it to work half assed,not worth the effort.Buy a detachable 30 rounder for if times get bad,but keep the stock fixed 10 rounder for every day use IMO.Al Posted on May 27 1999, 09:56 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Feeding question - - by Bob J. Am new to the SKS. Took my sporter with 30 rd. E. German mag to the range the other day for our first time out. Had difficulty feeding the first round from the clip ; all subsequent rounds fed flawlessly. Did not anticipate this problem, so did not bring other mags to interchange so I could see if it was that particular mag. The range is about a three hour round trip for me, so have ordered dummy rounds from Brownell's to check feeding out at home before I make the trip again. What could be the problem and what would be the remedy? TIA Bob Posted on May 27 1999, 05:55 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- COULD BE? by BRIAN YOU MIGHT TRY FILING DOWN THE LIPS ON THE MAG A BIT. SHARP EDGES ON NEW MAGS (REGARDLESS OF THE BRAND)ARE PRETTY COMMON. BE CAREFUL NOT TO FILE TO MUCH THOUGH. Posted on May 27 1999, 01:54 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- feeding problems by rocket try only loading 28 or 29 rounds at first. after about 200 rounds to break in you may find that the problem will disapear Posted on May 29 1999, 09:23 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PRICE WARS: The Phantom Ban by RUSSki ... AK mag prices are already skyrocketing, as no-doubt are the import-mags for SKS rifles. No law has been passed, only another Nazi Gun-Control inspired bill trying to become law. Still, the money-grubbing distributors and dealers are PREYING upon your FEAR. They are no better than the GunControl vermin who use peoples' fear of crime and violence and accidents to peddle the fecal-matter known as GunControl. Price gouging might fill some pockets, but many folks will determine that shooting is becoming "too rich for their blood" and GO AWAY. With every defection, HCI and Schumer smile ever more smugly. Tell me they don't LOVE seeing our own people PRICING many of us out of the gun-debate! I'll draw "antiAmerican Way" flames and such, but wrong is wrong. I will boycott ANY gun-source which tries to MANIPULATE me with slogans like "SOON TO BE BANNED!!!" and "GET 'EM BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!!". You should, too. Together, we can keep our numbers of shooters, and we can all pay prices that are fair to BOTH the buyer and the seller. THAT is right, as much as the greedy-bastiges hate to admit it. Posted on May 26 1999, 09:37 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20 Round fixed magazine by Ramsey I just Intalled one of those 20 round fixed magazine on my sks since all of the detachable one will get you in trouble. Well I found out that they dont work that good If you put more than ten rounds in it they seem to hang up in the magazine they seem to be much weaker than the stock magazine. Any one else have any luck with these magazine. My thirty round detachable feeds just fihe. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Ramsey Posted on May 26 1999, 04:24 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have feeding problems with any aftermarket mags... by Echo Delta 1 I have found that hollow points in any mag other than the stock 10 rder feed at the wrong angle and get serious dents in the tip- fmj not so bad- I have a zytel 30 rd that works ok, cant remember where i bought it some sks ak place in georgia, but most of the metal chink ones are ****- the sks works best in stock configuration it seems- if you want reliable high cap feeding get a mini 14- that guy that shot up the white house a while back found out the hard way about sks reliability with aftermarket mags! Posted on May 27 1999, 06:14 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- depends on the gun & the mags by TEXAS LAWMAN On the other hand, I've had absolutely no problem with my inexpensive Chinese 30round AK mags in my SKS Sporter. All 30 of them feed 100% as does the 5rounder that came with the gun. Judging from the postings on this topic, I can only assume I'm one lucky fella. Guess that makes my SKS worth ~$10,000. Posted on May 28 1999, 07:56 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by Hunter I have a Chinese 20 rounder on my pre-ban and it works perfect. It has never jammed and I have shot at least 2k rounds. Posted on May 30 1999, 06:42 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I had the same problem. Heres how to fix it. by john Here is what you need to do to fix it. If yours is like mine the "lips" of the mag are WAY to long. If I loaded a full twenty rounds in the bolt wouldn't feed. The case neck would hit the breech and the shell hadn't cleared the "lips" Use the 30 round detachable as a guide and bust out the old dremel tool. Start grinding back the lips of the twenty rounder until they are about the same length as the the detach. Not pretty but it works. Posted on May 28 1999, 10:34 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- zytel 30 rounders vs metal 30 rounders...................... by keith a so, is there any concensus on the board that the metal 30 rounders dont work well and the zytel mags work better????????? curious thanks Posted on May 31 1999, 06:24 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- usa mags by rick i have had problems with different mags, but have owned a few "USA" brand 30 rounders and NEVER had one jam. with alot of the others i couldn't get 2 shots off without a hangup. im not sure what the difference is, but im not arguing with what works. they cost a few dollars more but are well worth it. Posted on Jun 14 1999, 10:15 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ammo FYI by Rebel For those tracking the avalabilty of ammo and its price: I just ordered 960 rounds Russian hollow point for 109.00. Posted on May 25 1999, 08:35 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not bad...but let us know where you found it? by Steve S. It would help all of us! Posted on May 26 1999, 11:13 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Classic Arms by Rebel Classic Arms - page 50 June 7 release of Shotgun News Magazine. They ship at actual UPS shipping cost to your state and are based out of North Carolina. There are about 5-10 others competitors listed with comparable prices. I also picked up a scope mount kit which includes a 6x32 scope and the adaptive receiver cover which allows the mounting. Posted on May 27 1999, 01:04 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here we go again...SKS legalities... by TheBattman My understanding (gained from the BATF web site, as well as several other SKS sites). Rule 922 was supposed to include the SKS under the "assault" weapons ruling, IF it included what many refer to as "evil" features. I believe you could have a maximum of 2 of these items, then you had to start modifying in other ways. 1. Detachable magazine 2. Triger grip or grip extending below magazine 3. Bayonette mount 4. Grenade launcher 5. Flash suppressor I believe there were other items on the list, but these cover most of the basic mods. done by most SKS owners. AS mentioned in a previous post by another indivitual, the laws that apply to the SKS may have changed since April 1998. Then again....if will really be up to the discression of the officer if a question comes up. Even if you are totally legal (if anyone can truly and acurately decipher the complicated code), it would still be a major hastle to take a ride "uptown" and have to make phone calls and possibly an attorney. Posted on May 24 1999, 09:48 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by Rebel The tricky part here is that alteration to an SKS is actually covered under 18 USC Sec. 922 (r). (You may notice in magazines like the Shotgun News such disclaimers with advertisements for SKS detachable clips quotes such as these: "Sec 922(r) rules apply") Sec 922(r) states: "(r) It shall be unlawful for any person to assemble from imported parts any semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun which is identical to any rifle or shotgun prohibited from importation under section 925(d)(3) of this chapter as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes" If you read 925(d)(3): "(d) The Secretary shall authorize a firearm or ammunition to be imported or brought into the United States or any possession thereof if the firearm or ammunition - ... (3) is of a type that does not fall within the definition of a firearm as defined in section 5845(a) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 and is generally recognized as particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes" So if you look up the list of weapons that were banned as not suitable for sporting purposes, they specifically list the SKS 56-D, which was designed for detachable AK clips. So if you use the aftermarket non AK detachable clips to modify any fixed magazine SKS rifle after the date of enforcement (which is acutally 1990 for the SKS), you are creating the characteristics of a SKS 56-D, which was banned from importation, and hence in violation of 922(r)and not the Assault weapon ban requirements of a detachable clip and two other features are not even the issue, just the fact that you are creating a clone of 56-D. I have a Russian SKS and would recommend using the stripper clips even if clips were 100% legal. I have never had a stripper clip jam. If you want a gun that can handle clips without problems, try a Bushmaster AR-15. Posted on May 25 1999, 08:32 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sect. 1776-1999 "The Right... by RUSSki ... to Keep and Bear Arms SHALL NOT be Infringed." Let's quit parroting the "Sporting Purpose" horse-poop, okay, everyone? By doing so, by obeying and quoting such feculent "laws", you/we are giving them a legality that they LACK from a CONSTITUTIONAL basis. Instead, get on your Congressmens' butts NOW, and demand a ruling on the MEANING of the Second Amendment - even if it needs to go to the until-now SPINELESS US Supreme Court. Time for everyone, me, you, HCI and the NRA to put up or shut up. Don't memorize and repeat to other FREE people a series of blatantly anti-Constitutional "laws". Memorize and repeat your Constitution and the Bill of Rights, to yourself, your friends and especially to your supposed "representatives" in the House and Senate. THEY work for us! Yep, this post does, in a way, deal with the SKS rifle. This rifle will certainly be included in the round-up that will surely come if we all keep playing Schumers', Feinsteins' and Sarah Bradys' little game of "repeat it enough and it becomes the truth". The truth is that gun-laws are ILLEGAL. Period. Think me extremist? HA. Look at how brainwashed you already are! ALL I'm doing is reading and quoting the US Constitution. How EXTREME is that? Posted on May 25 1999, 08:55 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- YOU ARE RIGHT by TEXAS LAWMAN Try as I may, I can't find fault with anything you said. Yep, all gun laws are illegal. Guess the pro-gun groups, NRA particularly, have always been afraid to take the issue clear up to the Supreme Court. Personally, I'd like to see the issue resolved ASAP. I don't look forward to a second Rev. War but am prepared for same if necessary. Posted on May 27 1999, 09:06 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- gun laws by Rebel Well, I never said it was fair or even appropriate for congress to make such laws. I'm just restating what is currently on the books. My opinion is to hold accountable any candidate who breaks promises on control issues. Many people have gotten tired of politics and just don't vote. Only 36% of US voting population voted in 1996 Presidential election. Less than half voted for Clinton and clintonista candidates. Therefore if the quote-unquote silent majority of 60 million gun owners voted Republican on the gun issuse alone we would be a better situation politically. Sure many Republican follow the winds of current movements and break promises, but a President Bush, would not have as likely to disarm Americans as clinton has. Posted on May 27 1999, 01:18 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Help ID a NIB Chinese SKS by newSKSowner Recently bought a NIB SKS for $220 (the day after the local gun store raised the price 10% - that got my attention!). Came with a 200 rd button closure ammo carrier and a really awful "spring" attachable green canvas sling, also with a cleaning kit, tin grease flask, and cleaning rod (that rattles). All matching serial numbers (stamped everywhere), and a spike bayonet stock with side swivel attachments (but alas no bayonet, although the lug is still there). ID stamped on reciever is a 26 inside a triangle, serial number 1020####P, receiver is also stamped with three chinese characters and with "SKS762X39 MADE IN CHINA BY NORINCO KSI POMONA CA". Has a milled trigger group and nice metal finish, but the stock is soft, light, unfinished and way too ugly (but its unmarred). So I ordered an ATI Monte Carlo stock to put on it. Anyway, I know they made about a billion of these but would appreciate any info on the age/desirability of this thing. My current plan is to restock it, maybe put a 5 rd fixed magazine on it, and use it for a "rack rifle" in my pickup. --- BTW, I know that this rifle was shipped with "Mr. Squiggly" facing forward; when I disassembled it to clean off the grease the takedown pin scratched the bluing on the receiver cover (it hadn't been taken apart before), and that's how it came out. Posted on May 24 1999, 07:22 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2 Cents Worth... by WiSKS'ers the Cat I shot the russian, military surplus and norinco. All shoot good if you keep gun clean and with good ammo. I shoot only the fmj-jhp. No lead! Your gun is probably illegal if you add bayo. Most chinese and norinco wood is pretty bad. TYhis is common. Cleaning rod rattles in most guns. Maybe others have cure? I only use modern cleaning gear and took rods off my guns. I use empty cleaning kit holder in stock to hold some small parts and one EXTRA round of ammo. The SKS is a good gun. Why a 5 round magazine? Hunting use, maybe. No reply needed. Good shooting. Posted on May 24 1999, 07:42 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- just a thought on the ATI stock... by hunter47 If you are serious about an aftermarket stock, and if you haven't already ordered the ATI Monter Carlo, you ought to reconsider. I purchased that stock and was very disappointed! It was very heavy and the finish was very poor. I found that Choate make a much better composite stock. It has a really nice finish, it fits much better and it is very light. Other stocks that are better options than the ATI are Buttler Creek and Ramline. Anyway, this is just my opinion...I only hope I was able to warn you in time. Hunter Posted on May 24 1999, 09:23 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks by newSKSowner Thanks, but too late. Just hope mine isn't so bad I have to get a different one and try and find someone to take this one off my hands. Any info on the Choate Cammo Monte Carlo? Saw them advertised for about $95 a pop, which seems pretty high to dress up a $200 rifle! Maybe I'll just go with an $8 Jungle stock and take the ribbing... Posted on May 25 1999, 05:02 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ati sucks big time by J.A. www.choatemachinetool.com Posted on May 25 1999, 05:47 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why take a ribbing... by V-Shrake If you buy the "Jungle Stock", invest in a few cans of spray paint; OD, brown, tan, black, etc.. With a little bit of imagination you can make a really nice camo stock out of that $8.00 wonder. After applying the camo colors, spray on a few layers of "Dulcote", a matte spray lacquer. This really protects the camo finish, and dulls the stock even more. I did this with my first Chinese SKS, and have done it to my 10/22 folder. Easy, cheap, and it looks good, too! You can get all the colors you need, including the Dulcote, at most any store that stocks spray paint. Practice a little on that original stock, since you won't be needing it for anything else. Also, a little primer gray really works in a jungle camo scheme; the same can be said for primer red, but since the stock is already about that shade, why bother? Random blotches, just like US BDU's work really well. Good luck. Posted on May 26 1999, 01:02 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rack Rifle for Pick up or give away by Dave S Can't answer any of your questions as I am a new SKS owner, But if you reside in CALIFORNIA, you might as well turn in your gun now to the SO or PD, CHP. Under CA law your just looking for trouble under the transportation of firearms laws. Locked in CASE, Seperated by ammo/mags. Just thought I'd save you the legal problems. Posted on May 28 1999, 01:21 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS Magazine questions... by TheBattman This topic has probably been kicked around a lot, but I haven't been to this site in a while. My SKS came with the fixed 20rd magazine (Chinese). I removed the fixed magazine (and removed the bayonette mount at the same time) and ordered what I call a detachable magazine. IT is the one that has the big projection/lip on the front side of the magazine. When I ordered it, it was called a "fixed 30rd". Yet this is fully detachable. What is it, legally? My understanding of the law is that this modification to detachable magazine was legal only if the rifle does not still have bayonette mount. The only other modifications is a rubber extension butt pad. Comments please. Posted on May 24 1999, 02:21 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It is a detachable mag and.... by RLW ...in order to be 'legal' the standard military stock has to be replaced with a sporter stock with a monte carlo comb or a thumbhole dragunov type. This is in addition to removing the bayonet lug. If I were you, I would sell the 30 rounder and keep the 20 round factory type mag. They work better. Posted on May 24 1999, 03:35 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NOT ANYMORE! CTXT by john The law was changed. Also sorry about the post for page two. I tried to post and nothing happened but it looks like my first post went through. Posted on May 24 1999, 04:05 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Depends on when you did it.... by john This mod. was legal to do up until April 1998. This is when the the import ban was extended to guns that had could use large cap. military detachable magazines. Sks sporters and sporter style rifles where importable up until this point. Or you could do the mod. you wanted to do and use a detachable clip legally. Because the law changed in order to do it now legally you must change a number of parts to american made parts. I've seen kits availble for the ak but not the sks. So, regardless of when the sks was purchased, you would have needed to have done that mod. before april 1998 in order to be legal. Posted on May 24 1999, 03:56 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How can you prove when you did the modifications?... by TheBattman I did the modifications prior to that date, but how the heck would the BATF be able to tell when I did them? Posted on May 24 1999, 09:35 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well... by john Like I've said before this would really only come into play if you did something illegal with your sks. If you bought your sks in 1999 after they ran a check on the serial numbers they would know. If you didn't know the law and you opened your mouth and told them then they'd know. But I think only 4 people in 1998 were convicted of making "assult weapons". The Clinton admistration doesn't seem to punish people who break gun laws. Seem thing applies to ruger 10/22. Lets say you both a 10/22 in 1988. If you put a folding stock on it now you'd technically be in violation of the law. Good luck trying to prove when who ever put the folding stock on. It's just always a good idea to talk to a lawer for ANYTHING you might be in trouble for legal wise. Posted on May 28 1999, 10:15 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Go to page 2 See my post to Otto ntxt by john ntxt Posted on May 24 1999, 04:01 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- New Auction Site by Survivor Check this one out, it seems to have some potential: http://www.sureshot-auction.com/index.html Posted on May 22 1999, 09:19 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Repost of a post I made on another board (FWIW) by Snakebite [I'm reprinting here a post I made on another board regarding my advocating that gun owners begin resorting to "guerrilla activism" in defense of their rights.] This nation has a long and honorable history of civil disobedience, dating back to before the Rev War. Many different acts of civil disobedience were committed well before the war started, with the Boston Tea Party being only the most obvious example. Henry David Thoreau being another. Abe Fortas, a Supreme Court Justice, even wrote a book about civil disobedience--supportive of the idea. Just about everything the blacks did in the South to gain the rights they were eventually granted was illegal. The examples far outnumber my ability to give even a partial list here. Civil disobedience is a (virtually) sacred American practice. I respect those who disagree with me that gun owners should begin to commit acts of civil disobedience in response to gun control legislation, but at least give some decent reasons for doing so. I may may not buy your arguments, but they have my respect. Those who would simply take pot shots, however, who would dismiss such a course of action with a flip of the wrist, deserve no respect, either for their opinions, or for their gun rights. I'm not saying that everybody needs to become a guerrilla activist. It's one idea. One possibility. One path. Take it or leave it. As for me, I'm giving it some serious thought. Putting the old thinker--what's left of it--to work. Here's something I don't understand, however. There's some people meeting not far from where you live. They're strategizing. Not about how to get the gang-bangers off the streets. Not about how to solve our teen pregnancy problem, failing school grades, the fact that about 25% of high school grads have only 5th-grade reading skills, our rights are disappearing like water in the sand, etc, so on and so on. No, these people are having a protest meeting about YOUR guns. That's right, you who are law-abiding, have never committed a crime with a firearm, mind your own business, and just try to keep your head above water. YOU. They're talking about YOU. They're talking about YOUR guns, and what they'd like to see done with them. ''Well, they have a right to talk about that. It's their First Amendment right.'' Sorry. Wrong answer. Know what the right answer is? It's this: ''Listen, buddy, if don't respect my Second Amendment rights, I don't respect your First Amendment rights. In fact, if don't respect my Second Amendment rights, I don't respect ANY of your rights. What comes around goes around.'' THAT'S the right answer. If people out there (like the ACLU) are going to act like the Second Amendment doesn't apply to individuals, I'm going to act like the First Amendment doesn't apply to individuals. At least to those particular individuals. Here's a surefire recipe for revolution: Sit on your ass and defend these people's rights to talk about taking your guns away. I guar-own-tee you that approach WILL eventually result in revolution. You think civil disobedience is a no-no? What do you think the penalites for revolution are? But that's probably where we're headed over this gun issue. It's DEFINITELY where we're headed if we don't start making some serious noise. And I'm not just talking about the klickity-klack of keyboards, either. If I was privy to the fact that my neighbors were having their friends over to talk about how they were going to rape my wife, you damn sure better believe that meeting wouldn't end peacfully. I'd call the cops, of course. But if they failed to take care of the situation, and it appeared my neighbors were indeed serious, I believe a preemptive strike would be in order. Well, it may not be illegal for people to talk about taking my guns away, but I don't think I'm quite comfortable with the idea of letting them do it in peace. The time for talk is just about over. Not quite, but just about. The time for serious action is upon us. Not deadly action, but very serious. Because if this thing ain't nipped in the bud, you won't have to worry about going to jail for a few hours because you planted a protest sign in somebody's yard. You'll be too worried thinking about whether or not you're going to join the revolution that just started because the liberals pushed too far. Civil disobedience may not allow us to avoid a revolution. It may not even forestall it. But doing what we've been doing sure as HELL won't. Posted on May 22 1999, 11:34 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- so just how do you go about joining the NRA? ntxt.... by keith xx Posted on May 21 1999, 10:52 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do more than just join the NRA! CTXT by hunter47 Keith, May I suggest going to NRA.org and checking out their website. You can join for $35 year. It is important to be involved. HOWEVER, DO NOT STOP THERE! The NRA has gotten a little soft lately, so I would ALSO suggest that you join the GOA (Gun Owners of America). I cannot remember their web address, but you can link to them from auctionarms.com. Join both. Get involved. Write your congressmen. Make your voice heard. Just my two cents. Hunter Posted on May 21 1999, 11:11 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amen! nt by Snakebite nt Posted on May 22 1999, 12:41 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I joined!!!!!! ctxt by keith joined both NRA, GOA as well as the JPFO. Maybe it will make some difference. Do these orgs give you some hints around voting time. Like who is pro or against. Would be good info to have!!!! keith Posted on May 22 1999, 01:12 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes.. by john The the nra will send you a little voting guide. It usually is in the oct. issue, I think. It ranks the people who are running and recomends you vote for the person that the nra says is the most pro gun. Posted on May 22 1999, 11:36 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I joined by coyote FANTASTIC !!! and welcome aboard!! One thing to keep in mind: don't get too discouraged when you receive solicitations for donations. I give when I can and throw the others away. can't blame them for trying. Thanks again for doing your part!! Posted on May 22 1999, 06:33 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- i'm not so sure about the GOA by jojo every time i see larry pratt speak i cringe that he is on our side. he always sounds like a fanatical bitter old man. we need ppl with facts and figures and a cool manner. not an old timer ranting about "arm the teacher that'll fix this problem." now i'm not saying i disagree with him, i just think he is a little low on tact just my 2› Posted on May 22 1999, 06:25 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GOA is no compromise... by Floyd The GOA is a no compromise bunch. You don't have to worry about the gun industry swaying their opinion. They've got about 250,000 members. The NRA is the largest group and one of the strongest lobbying groups on the hill. Definitely join the NRA first. Write your Congressman, but also write the editor of your newspaper. We need to get the facts out there. Always be polite! Posted on May 22 1999, 06:37 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NRA and GOA by Lobo I'm a twenty year Life Member of the NRA, and Recently joined the GOA. I like the work the GOA is doing; no-non-sense-the-line-is-here legislate no further! I figure we as gun owners can't have too many allies in the struggle. Posted on May 24 1999, 07:52 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GOA has a great site to keep you informed! by Steve S. I'm also a NRA life member and last week I joined GOA! We do need as many allies as possible! Posted on May 24 1999, 08:49 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- here you go and thanks....they need our support right now by steve s. it's a good start but you should also get ivolved writing your reps to let them know how you feel.. Pick a Section Join/Renew/Upgrade Membership Benefits To You What Your Membership Makes Possible Member On-Line Catalog Member Discount Program Member Recruiting Program Life Membership Offer Contact Us NRA Membership Application -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- YES! COUNT ME IN AS A MEMBER OF THE NRA! 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Current member ID Name Address City State AK AL AR AZ CA CO CT DC DE FL GA HI IA ID IL IN KS KY LA MA MD ME MI MN MO MS MT NC ND NE NH NJ NM NV NY OH OK OR PA RI SC SD TN TX UT VA VT WA WI WV WY Zip EK 390753 $3.75 of the membership dues are designated for magazine subscription. If you print this form, please use the U.S. Mail to return this membership application to the National Rifle Association Membership Division. NRA PROCESSING CENTER P. O. BOX 420649 PALM COAST, FL 32142-0649 OR, CHARGE YOUR DUES BY CALLING 1-800-NRA-3888. * Contributions, gifts or membership dues made or paid to the National Rifle Association of America are not refundable or transferable and are not deductible as charitable contributions for Federal income tax purposes. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NRA HQ | Shooting, Hunting & National Firearms Museum | Safety, Education & Public Service Youth Programs & Arcade | Give/Join/Help | Online Shopping (1-800-336-7402) CONTACT SEARCH Other NRA sites: NRA Live | NRA ILA Posted on May 24 1999, 01:51 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP...loose stock by bobrr I have a 54 russian in a laminated stock, it is arsenal refinished and unfired since then. The action is loose in the stock. It will move about 1/32 of an inch. As I am new to sks's how can I fix this so I can keep the same stock...looking for something I can do at home. TIA bob Posted on May 21 1999, 01:21 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well.... by john Its probably normal. These are old military weapons. They weren't built to the same standers as guns are made today. You you mean when you push on the recieve the barrel and everything else goes forward? There is a slight amount of play in my chin. unissued mil. rifle. If I grab the barrel and push hard then pull I can move it ever so slightly. I think its nothing to worry about if this is the case but if it bothers you, you can always add metal to the bolt in the stock. Just keep adding small amounts until the movement stops. Posted on May 21 1999, 04:47 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- loose stock by Tom Ober Check to see if the spring that goes between the stock and the trigger group is in place its easy to loose when disassenbling if its not there the action will move up and down in the stock Tom O. Posted on May 21 1999, 07:41 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by brandon these guns were put together loose to help their reliabilily in combat. this is normal Posted on May 21 1999, 09:44 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for the responses...NTXT by bobrr ! Posted on May 22 1999, 04:39 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS JUNGLE STOCKS FOR SALE! by Ace I have a couple dark red fiberglass SKS jungle stocks for sale, complete with matching handguards, price is $15.00 plus shipping, email me if interested Posted on May 20 1999, 03:45 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Battlefield pick-up" SKS (ctxt) by Gary A friend of mine made a great trade, a Buck folding knife for a non-functioning SKS. He asked me about it and without seeing it, I told him it was likely a frozen gas piston causing the problem, unless parts were actually missing. I saw the rifle last night and it appears to be a soldier's "war trophy", worn and rusty on the outside but still functional (I was right about the piston - an easy fix). Has anyone else seen an SKS that was a "bring-back"? This one still had powdery mud between the stock and barrel, as well as a blonde stock that's now nearly black from handling. The stock was badly split at the wrist and at the crossbolt, in both spots a crude repair was made. I don't recall all the markings but the apparent date reads 11260 (Dec.1, 1960?) positioned IN FRONT of the remaining serial number. As I understand it, the serial number placement determines whether it was late war production or post-war, can anyone give details? It's got the Chinese "26" marking, with three Chinese characters appearing to the left of the "26". The date / serial number then follows. Oh, one other creepy thing: The spike bayonet still has what appears to be dried blood stains in the grooves. If you owned it, would you try to restore it or would you leave it as is, a war relic? Is there any significant collector interest in these trophy rifles? Thanks, Gary Posted on May 19 1999, 11:40 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Attempt to get it functional, but don't refinish exterior by Steve S. If it looks like it may be dangerous to fire (gunsmith check it out) leave it as is. If it's safe to fire, get the parts it needs and shoot it for function. Just so you know it's more than a wall hanger. I wouldn't touch the exterior, that adds appeal to this trophy. That's what I would do.....hope it helps. Posted on May 19 1999, 01:46 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Battlefield pickup (Important, ctxt!!) by The Confessor If the weapon you have IS a battlefield pickup, you may have a slight problem. If you do NOT have the papers which are supposed to be issued to a soldier when a battlefield trophy is taken, the weapon is ILLEGAL to possess. Only weapons with clear import marks are legal to possess in the "land of the free" without these papers. If you friend doesn't have these papers and the gun is a pickup, it is virtually worthless to anyone who doesn't wish to break the law... Posted on May 20 1999, 04:39 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Battlefld. PU by Bill Your right about these papers you need with a bring back. I have seen several of these papers and remember the word "Conus" written on it with all the serial numbers etc. BUT, I have seen several bring-backs for sale at gun shows with no papers. It's for sure that the papers will make the gun more authentic and raise the price. Posted on May 20 1999, 06:57 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I've seen pot for sale too.... by john but that doesn't make it legal. Not being a smart ass. If he says its illegal I'd believe him. Posted on May 21 1999, 01:06 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I could be wrong... by Lev My assault SKS - folding stock. bayonet lug, 60 rnd magazine, flash supressor- is Chinise but it have no any import marks, it`s pre-ban, i got it at pawn shop and contact BATF about legality issue, and they told me it`s perfectly legal gun. Just my two cents. Posted on May 22 1999, 04:37 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for response... (ctxt) by Gary I had a hunch that some such paperwork was issued, but as far as I know my friend did not receive any such documents. Nor did the previous owner know much about the weapon, it having belonged to a relative of his. I do not believe my friend has any intention of selling the rifle or advertising it as a battlefield relic - it can't be verified. In part, that was why I posted the original message - I was hoping someone with a "trophy" could give me the details. I'll be sure to warn him about the rifle's status, and I'd better warn my uncle, too. He has a Luger that he, uh, liberated in France some fifty-four years ago. Heh, knowing him, I'm surprised he didn't send home a Jeep in pieces! He brought home five or six clean '98 Mauser actions, too, one made me a fine "Utility Scout" rifle. Gary Posted on May 24 1999, 11:47 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Reason Politicains don't like SKS's by Steve They were cheap, prior to the import ban. Anyone (even low income) could afford one! Fairly easy to convert and ammo is cheap! Did I miss anything? Posted on May 19 1999, 10:09 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: Politicians by Gary Steve: I think you hit all the main points. The government does not like the idea of lower-income citizens having high-powered rifles for the cost of a used Ruger 10/22 (well, they USED to be that inexpensive). Good God, the people may one day catch on to the fact that they're being royally screwed and start rounding up said politicans for high-velocity attitude adjustment. Politicians abhor being perforated and they know that they'd be first on the list, followed shortly by members of the media. Of course, the U.S. firearms manufacturers are no help, they certainly have everything to gain if inexpensive, rugged centerfire rifles are no longer imported and sold for less than their own products. Gary Posted on May 19 1999, 11:18 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CONVERT TO WHAT??? by BLIPBLIP Fairly easy to convert to what? Posted on May 19 1999, 12:02 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To full auto (ntxt) by Virgil Caine x Posted on May 19 1999, 06:11 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Full Auto Fire - Forget Hollywood by SKS Junkie Studies have shown that full-auto fire is wasteful on ammunition and lowers rounds-to-hits ratio. Isn't the M16A2 only capable of semiauto and 3-rd bursts? Not sure. Still, you can rattle-off 10 to 30 (or more with a drum) out of an SKS plenty fast enough without playing around with the illegal but still on the books "gun laws". Posted on May 19 1999, 08:33 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thats why the sks is semi auto.... by john F/A can also be hard on the gun. Anyways thats why sks were made after the ak-47 was build. I read somewhere that the Russians didn't want people in hard to supply areas switch there ak's to f/a and wasting ammo. They wanted them to take well aimed shots and conserve ammo. Posted on May 19 1999, 09:53 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Semi vs. Full-Auto in Vietnam (more) by Gary I read somewhere that despite Hollywood's depiction of the Vietnam war, not every VC or NVA soldier carried an AK-47. Rather, only one or two men in each patrol carried the selective-fire weapon, the rest of the enemy's soldiers shouldered SKS rifles. That makes sense from both equipment/supply/expense and training standpoints. Ironic, as the SKS is definitely the more accurate weapon. Posted on May 20 1999, 08:35 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You are correct. by Steve S. The SKS was distributed in mass from China. It was cheaper than dirt and dependable in the brush. Another reason our Gov't banned them from import was their appearance looked too much like a AK and the bayonet was pretty scary too!! Posted on May 20 1999, 08:59 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by Texas Lawman Can't remember ever seeing news media account of someone being bayonetted. Have seen documentable stats that about 45,000 persons are killed by automobiles (~1/2 involving alcohol) each year in USA. Darned ole evil bayonets! Guess we didn't learn much from prohibition in the twenties. Posted on May 20 1999, 11:16 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Way over 100,000 die yearly... by Tey-Hoss! From INFECTIONS received in hospitals; from reactions to and mis-fillings of prescriptions; and of course, from good old MALPRACTICE. We need to ban this so-called ASSAULT-Healthcare! Posted on May 20 1999, 09:59 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by TEXAS LAWMAN Thanks. Didn't know the # of deaths annually from nosocomial (hospital acquired) infections but knew it was high. Many of us 'joke' that if you don't have a disease when you enter the hospital, you certainly will when you leave! Posted on May 22 1999, 11:18 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quest for the SKS in 7.62x54r, Do they actually exsist? by Larry According to what I've read(and heard), the SKS originally was chambered in the fullpowered 7.62x54r cartridge, and then was later scaled down to fire 7.62x39. Has anyone ever seen the big brother of the SKS, or is it all just a cruel joke? Why are they rarely(if ever) mentioned? many surplus gunshop owners I have talked with have never even heard of an SKS in this chambering. Also, if I were to find one, about how much should I expect to pay to aquire it? Posted on May 18 1999, 10:40 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NO. by RLW Where did you read the SKS was originally chambered in 7.62x54r? Posted on May 18 1999, 11:59 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think you're mistaken. by Larry I've read this on several articles on the internet, I'll have to do a little digging to find them, I believe I read it in a collectors manual(don't remember the name). I'll try to dig up some info verifying the existance of this beast for you. Posted on May 19 1999, 08:24 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Big brother is not called an SKS. by SPUD Larry The rifle is a (TOKAREV SVT.40) It is the SKS in 7.62x54R. If you can find one It should run about 375.00-500.00 can't remember the price but look here. HTH tater http://www.en.com/mauserman/ Posted on May 19 1999, 08:27 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hmmm, you could be right by Larry I've had the chance to look at an SVT-40 upclose though, and it appears to be based more on the AK/Dragunov design, I thought it was an SKS atfirst too though. Maybye that's as close as I'm going to get! Oh well, anybody have any info on the PTRS antitank rifle, or how I might go about aquiring one of those? I've seen a picture of one once, but it didn't really look too much like an SKS either. Sorry about all the goofy questions btw, I've just become very interested in collecting Siminov designs, I've got a Tula arsonal 1954 Russian SKS, and I guess I've just caught the C&R/Surplus bug, heh heh. Thanks for your time Posted on May 19 1999, 09:53 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS Predecessor by Gary I recall reading that the Simonov rifle was based on that designer's anti-tank gun and was originally manufactured in small numbers in the 7.62x54 caliber, which said rifles were used alongside the Tokarev. The rifle was then scaled down to use the new intermediate cartridge. You'll never find one of those earlier Simonov rifles, they were never built in large numbers or exported. Does anyone know if the SKS (as we know it) ever saw battle in the closing days of WWII in Europe? Gary Posted on May 19 1999, 11:49 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pistol Grip Stock? by Fast Eddie Does anyone know if they make a pistol grip stock besided the folding stock? I was looking for something kinda like an AK. Thanks in advance. Posted on May 18 1999, 10:23 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pistol Grip Non-folders Available by Texas Lawman Choate, Ram-Line & others make non-folding stocks with a pistol grip. Check TAPCO, SKU# SKS2076, $39.99 each, or four for $34.95 each -- page 5, Winter/Spring 1999 catalog (arrived in April). phone (770)425-4441 in Georgia Posted on May 19 1999, 12:15 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pistol Grip Non-folders Available by Fast Eddie Thanks Lawman. I had never been to Tapco web page before. I noticed that they sold just the pistol grip that could be installed on your wood stock. What is a milled trigger group? Posted on May 19 1999, 06:58 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Milled vs Stamped trigger by Texas Lawman My understanding is milled trigger group is machined vs. some which are stamped out of sheet metal. Suppose milled is considered superior as in the pre-84 vs. post 83 Winchesters. Stamping is less expensive to mfg. Posted on May 20 1999, 11:19 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks! by Fast Eddie That makes sense. Do you have any experience adding a pistol grip? Doesn't seem like it would be that hard. Posted on May 20 1999, 09:48 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check old posting on this board by TEXAS LAWMAN It may be "illegal" according to ATF's 922(r) regulation. Maybe some of the old hands will steer you on this. Might want to check the older postings on this board for interpretation of the regs. Posted on May 22 1999, 11:15 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gone Shootin'... by RUSSki Just went shooting OUTDOORS in Holopaw, Florida. In spite of having owned several SKSs and getting lots of know-how on maintenance, etc, I hadn't actually shot one until now! Here's the info on how it went: Had three different SKSs with us. Two were Norincos and one was Chinese milsurp. One Norinco had folding stock and fixed 10rd mag. Shot excellent and was louder than other two rifles. Rifle #2 , Norinco, has "blonde" wood stock and uses removeable 30rd mags. Not an SKS-D model, either. These mags have the front-end that goes up into where the original 10rd mag hooks-in. The Chinese milsurp SKS has dark brown wood stock and was also using the removeable mags described w. Rifle #2. We used both JHP and FMJ from several manufacturers, with some of the mags loaded "Dutch" - that is, with mixed mfgs and FMJ and JHPs in same mag. We fired over 200 rds total and had ZERO malfunctions, slam-fires or "doubles". My very first shot was right-on at a very small target about 25yds away! The removeable mags (4) worked flawlessly in both rifles using them; we just loaded and used them between the two guns. Final thoughts: 1) I am right at 6' tall. Had no problem with the standard-pull Chinese wood stocks. Rifles aimed well and were fast-handling. I welded cheek (lefty shooter), and used sights with no trouble. Stocks were without recoil pads but recoil wasn't bad. I think I'd want one, though, if shooting quite a bit. I can live with or without an "extender" on the stock. 2) Our 30rd removeables are the metal ones. They loaded, went into the guns and fed without flaw. 3) My friend with the Chinese milsurp said that on another range-visit, he had fired "alot" quickly, then had a "double" occur in which one trigger-pull resulted in two rounds going-off. My thinking is that by that time his rifle was getting pretty gunked-up and the firing pin was getting tight. 4) The milsurp seemed to stay cooler than did the Norincos. 5) I had no problem with flash OR recoil, so I don't know that a brake/hider is a must-have item. 6) All four of us are moderate-experience shooters, but we all find the SKSs' accuracy to be amazing. 7) Ejection of casings in all three SKSs was amazing. The brass went way-up, and the Chinese milsurp also threw them forwards, well-away from me. As a lefty, I'd anticipated getting grazed or hit by casings, but I only even saw one or two up in the air! Gathering the casings for reloading? Better buy a brass-catcher! 8) For what the SKS costs - especially before the damned 'Sault Ban - combined with its' reliability and accuracy... NO WONDER American manufacturers actually encouraged "laws" against import-guns! A Great trip with great rifles! Don't have one? BUY ONE. Hope my info is helpful. Oh, and DAMN - WEAR EAR PROTECTION, EVEN OUTDOORS! Posted on May 16 1999, 09:54 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There fun aren't they.... by john (finally got an email adress) Yep, my chin. mil. surp. also launches the shells somewhere into the next county. I'd guess maybe a 8-10 feet. Maybe it's so if you were fighting in a trench you weren't launching hot shell casings on your buddy. Someone suggested that after I was letting a friend shoot mine and said "Look at how far those things fly." I don't know if there are any facts to back that idea up, but it sounds plausible. I first shot mine at night, after spending 2 hours cleaning off the cosmoline from the gun, any making a stop at the gun store to get more cleaner. I didn't think the muzzle flash was very big either. Anyways, I baby that rifle and only shoot non corrosive ammo out of it. I clean it as soon as I'm done shooting and apply a heavy coat oil, clean it off before shooting of course, before putting it away. I really love that rifle. Personally I think ak's are over rated. There not bad guns or anything, I'm just bias because I own an sks. I think they get a bad rap because of some of the crappy export types. Also if they aren't feeding its usually because of the mag. and not the gun. I saw one at a pawn shop you would have had to pay me to shoot. It looked like it might blow up. Anyways there good guns and fire a devestating shell. It you ever get bored and need to cut some wood, try cutting down pine trees 5 inches in diameter with fmj loads. Now the softness of the wood might very in your part of the woods but at 20 yards I was putting a big hurt on that pine tree. Could have cut it down if I'd had more shells. Posted on May 16 1999, 10:57 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Williams Peep sights? by D.B. Cooper I have a '51 Russian SKS and was wondering if i can put a williams peep sight on it. On Brownells sight it says it uses a drift pin to mount. But my whole rear sight seems molded in? I would appreciate any help in this matter. Thanks, D.B. Posted on May 16 1999, 07:27 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Williams sight by jmaddog Yes you can put a Williams sight on your sks. I have one on my MAK90 and it works quite well. All you have to do is remove the pen at the forward end of your sight and replace it with the new pen after the sight is replaced with the Williams sight. The new pen is included with the sight. Hope this helps. Posted on May 18 1999, 08:44 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Unknown SKS? by GNS Im having trouble getting info on one of my SKS`s.It is a preban(I know the origenal owner and when it was bought),but there are no importers marks anywhere on the rifle. It has all matching ser. numbers still in great condition,bayonet,and folder.any ideas on finding info on this rifle? Thanks in advance. GNS Posted on May 14 1999, 08:36 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Russian '54 Part II by Ron Everyone, thanks for the support, I guess I needed a little confrirmation to go ahead and spend the bucks. Go to the bank tonight after work. On another note, the mail came today and had the Centerfire Systems Inc.flyer in it. One of the front page specials is *NEW* production SKS trtigger groups (assembled) for $64.97. Might be a good idea for spare parts or that special shop project you've been wanting to do!! Regards, Ron Oh yeah, Centerfire Systems Inc. 1 800 950 1231 Posted on May 13 1999, 12:53 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Are you going to get one? by john If you buy another trigger group would you please let me know what you think of the quality? Also did was that a sale and when does it expire if it is? Thanks Posted on May 13 1999, 07:22 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Funds lacking by Ron Due to a very recent purchase, I now no longer have the needed funds to buy the trigger group ;-) ron Posted on May 15 1999, 07:39 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Russian '54 by Ron There is a fine Russian SKS, used , but in very good condition at my local gun store, all numbers match and has heavy canvas sling and blade bayonet. 1954 Asking price is $189.00. Is it worth it? Might be able to talk 'em down 10 or 15 bucks. I already have a nice Norico milled trigger group SKS circa '62. Thanks. Ron Posted on May 12 1999, 06:51 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good Price! by Faron Good Price if in good condition....Russian SKS's go for $250 and up in my area....I like the Russians the best for collectability..... Posted on May 12 1999, 07:24 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sounds good by Survivor Thats a good price for any Russian SKS, I would jump on it fast...You wont be sorry :-) Posted on May 12 1999, 07:29 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you don't, I will by Mike It sounds like a very good deal. I recently paid 250 for a virtually new 53 Tula and felt that I got a super deal. I'm in Alaska, but from what I've read here, the prices in the great land seem to be excellent. I'd say you ought to snatch it up and enjoy many years of flawless performance. I have both a Chinese and a Russian and have found the Russian to be a far superior weapon in terms of both manufacture and performance. Posted on May 12 1999, 11:31 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5.45x39 SKS Conversion? by Albert Benecki Haas anybody out there tried rebarelling a SKS to 5.45x39 Russian?Just wondering and it seems that it could be done for pretty cheap and it should work without alot of hassle.Al Posted on May 11 1999, 10:38 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sabots by Gog Would Sabots be cheaper and more versatile ,Ammo wise. (accuracy unknown) You can buy a lot of Ammo for the price of a rebarrel? Gog Posted on May 12 1999, 03:52 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7.62x39 Prices... & that Darn Rosie O' Piehole... by RUSSki Russian JHP and FMJ are going for $179/1000rds here! I just got a Sportsman's Guide catalog that has JHP listed for $169.97 plus $14 shipping for 1000rds in a .50cal ammo can! Last night, Cheaper than Dirt was showing Russian ammo for 119.00 per case, but CONVENIENTLY their damn site was really buggy. It's down as I post this. Wonder if the ammo price will still be $119 when the site comes back up? Sheesh, I'd heard that the import of ammo was resuming, with plenty in the pipeline. Just watch, though. Now that the prices went up, they'll MAGICALLY stay up even with plenty of ammo on the market. Just like the damned "gas shortage" every spring. Supposedly "demand" drives up prices, but I can drive to ANY station and buy as ALL DAY LONG for the higher price. Where's the "supply vs demand" issue? Uh-huh. Oh yeah, because I dare to speak agains price gouging and greed, I'll get called a cheap-ass and be told "don't buy it if you don't like the price". Such commentators can bite me. The issue is morality. It is about doing the right thing. Jacking up prices and keeping them there to feed off of peoples' FEAR isn't right - don't try to defend it. That darn Rosie O' Hitler is here in Orlando, Florida at Universal Studios. I live right here, too, and am immediately e-mailing her "people" to relay that my offered BET still stands: I just got paid today (Tuesday). I BET my paycheck against hers - heck, just her next Kmart check - that she either: a) owns a gun herself; or b) has ARMED security guards. I'm right here, with her doing her crappy show all week. Think she'll take me on? Not just "no", but how about "HELL no". Things look sucky these last bunch of years, but I think that we can survive if we TRY. Posted on May 11 1999, 07:13 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You guys are going to get a kick out of this... by john First, all Sportsmans Guide ammo seems too high. Second, Russki, try the S&B ammo if you haven't already. This is good stuff! CTD hasn't raised its price yet. 121 plus shiping for 900 rounds. The Russian is also good. It is still slightly less expensive. Get both if you've got the money. Also: Wal-marts 1st quarter earnings surged 34%. I would assume that is over last year. Its stock is up a little over 2 bucks today. I think this the right company but a K-mart Corp stock was down today. Even if it isn't it kinda makes you think doesn't it. Walmarts stock goes up and the earnings surge as a anti-gun spokes person for another store makes remarks that insult all firearms owners. I know we cant claim all of that price change, but I like to think we helped. Kinda interesting I thought. Posted on May 11 1999, 09:06 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RE:7.62X39 Prices by pierre Went to a gun show here in Kalifornia and Ammo prices are holding steady. Russian FMJ or HP $2.50 for a box of 20 $60 for 500 rds and $115 for 1000 rounds. Been hearing lots of Rumors of bans methinks it's an effort to drive up prices. Am still waiting on my 1000 rd order from cascade ammo. Safe shooting, Pierre Posted on May 15 1999, 11:19 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7.62x39 ammo vs. 7.62x39 ammo?? by guy I hope this hasn't been addressed here already....on another board someone pointed out that Ruger Mini-30 - purportedly 7.62x39, have a bore of .309", while europeans (& chinese I guess) use .311" for 7.62x39....apparently american ammo is also .309" - which makes for poor accuracy. Does anyone here have experience and info on this?? Posted on May 10 1999, 07:39 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here is some info.... by john I saw an article sometime ago in a gun magazine. It compared the a norinco sks to a ruger mini thirty and here it what it had to say breifly summerized. It seems bullets in this caliber can very in size from .311 to the bullets which most handloaders can get which are .308. Now the mini thirty has a barrel of .308 to .309 but a bigger throat area. This means that you can use big or small bullets but they are being squeezed through a small barrel or shot from an oversize barrel. The sks barrel has a range of .310-.312 and a groove range of about .307-.308 The ruger mini-14 has a standard size bore and shells so it is more inherently accurate than the mini 30. This article then went on to do a shooting test. The mini 30 had a 2-8 power scope. The sks had open sights. The sks out shot the mini 30 most of the time and when it didn't the max difference in group size was .6 of and inch. These were 5 shot groups at 100 yards. The worst mini-30 was about 8 inches as with the sks. Most of the other loads ran in the 5-6 inch range for the mini thirty none getting smaller than five inchs.(And remember it had an 8 power scope.) Smallest sks and it had open sights was around 3 1/2 inches with most loads averaging in the 4 to 5 inch range. They didn't ban sks because they were assault weapons they banned them because if you have one rifle that costs $500 dollars and on rifle that costs $80 dollars and the $80 dollar one is more accurate which are you going to buy? I'm sure ruger was cheering when Congress passed the dreaded 922(r). Lets make it so confusing and the laws so difficult that no one will want to buy one of these cheap imported weapons. Ruger or any American manufacture can't compete with an $80 firearm. That's why among other reasons (and there are many others) sks aren't imported anymore. It was too cheap and too good of a rifle for this day and age. That's my 2 cents. I'd get a mini-14 before the mini-30 but that's just my opion. Also, swami measured some bullets and the diameter can very. I like S&B ammo. My personal preferance though. The russian fmj according to swami was smaller than the russian HP. I recomend buying a couple differant bands and seeing what shoots best for you. Posted on May 11 1999, 04:36 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- *Good Memory* by Ron That is correct about the gun mag article on the SKS and the Ruger mini 30. I have the magazine that has that article. If anyone is interested it can be found in the January 1994 issue of Shooting Times and begins on page 40. The SKS has it goin' on all over the Ruger mini 30! Posted on May 11 1999, 07:54 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check at a library..... by john If your interest check at a library. Thats where I read this article. They sometimes carry this magazine. It is a good article. Posted on May 11 1999, 09:12 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Some varried SKS questions by Grant R. Aikin 1) So, I'm at the gunshow, how do I tell a pinned bbl. from an SKS with a screw in bbl.? 2) Does anyone make a scope mount that attaches to the reciver, forward of the magazine, for use with a LER/EER type scope? 3) Is the SKS still imported and if not what's the deal with the SKS-D? 4) Is the SKS-D any good and does it come in a fixed magazine version? I rather like the smooth contour of the standard SKS mag. Thanks in advance for your help! Posted on May 08 1999, 11:24 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Some answers by john 1.) You would have to remove the trigger group and look to see where the barrel attaches to the reciever. If you see a pin it is "pinned" 2.) Maybe. Someone on this board made one look in the old posts. 3.) No, I don't thing so. I believe Klinton stoped them with an executive order. SKS-D, also called a Sporter, takes ak mags. Also no longer imported. April 1998 was the last year. 4.) No idea, and I doubt there is a fix mag since the whole point of the sks-D was to use detachable mags. Hope this helps. Posted on May 09 1999, 12:34 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS-D Opinion by Faron As stated in some old posts, I have a SKS-D in my meager collection of ComBloc milsurps.....I like the original SKS configuration alot better...the AK mags are difficult to work with and do not exactly fit right since they were not intended for the gun...my "D" model shoots just fine but the thing I dislike the most is the fact that the bolt does not lock back.....if your collecting SKS's you may want a "D" to finish out your collection but otherwise you may want to stay w/ an original version.... Posted on May 10 1999, 04:21 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- correct answers! by J.A. 1 The screw in barrel has a shoulder with two flats where it meets the receiver. The pinned does not just round where it meets the recevier. 2 B-Square made one. 3 No Presidental order in 1994 banned all importation of guns and ammo from China. 4 Yes it is a good gun. It is a SKS modified to take a AK mag. If you like the smooth fixed mag buy a standard SKS. SKS-D was inported in two versions one with a monte carlo stock and one with a thumbhole. It is the post ban version of type 58. Posted on May 10 1999, 05:40 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Buying SKS by Lefty Would like information on buying a SKS. Is it better to buy Russian or Chinese? What should I look for or what sould I avoid. Posted on May 05 1999, 10:17 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The million dollar question by Faron Well, you've brought up the million dollar question. There has been quite a debate over Russian vs. Chinese. I have one of each and like my Russian best. The Russain ones are tru military surplus weapons wheras most of Chinese ones are commercial grade. Most will say that the Chinese function as well (some say better) as the Russians. The Russian is more collectable and typically commands about $50 more (at least in my area). I think my Russian is built a bit better and it has all the neat arsenal markings whereas the Norinco (Chinese) dont. Both shoot equally as well. If you go Russian then you can have a bayonet attached legally. Most Chinese ones come w/out bayonets nowadays. You get into the Pre-ban vs. the Post-Ban w/ the Chinese....all Russian SKS's were built in the '50's....Look for an all matching SKS that's in good shape...there are still some new ones out there but they are becoming rare. Expect to pay $250 to $400 for a nice one bought from a store and depending on where you live. I paid $300 for my Russian NIB....if you look around you might find an indivdual selling one in the paper....I bought an Chinese SKS-D (as shown above) for $100....I dont like the D model though...."jicky" IMHO....hope this helps.... Posted on May 06 1999, 03:26 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- sks auto sear by Jason Does anyone know if it is legal to own an auto sear for an sks rifle without installing it? Posted on May 05 1999, 01:45 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Auto Sear by Survivor in a word NO, owning the sear while in possession of the weapon it fits is considered the same as if you had installed it, you would be considered in possession of an unregistered machine gun. Posted on May 05 1999, 02:26 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Auto sear comments by Gary Owning *just* an "auto sear" by itself is no big deal. If you also own the semi-auto weapon that it could be used in, you would be in possession of an unregistered machine gun. The NFA weapons laws are pretty clear on this stuff, check around places like Vollmer's or Tom Bowers' subgun message boards. They always have links to the actual text of the "Class 3 weapons" laws. In addition to buying yourself a 10-year stay in the federal pokey, this is really a bad time to be talking about this sort of stuff. Clinton and Co. are trying to fan the anti-gun sentiments that erupted over that school shooting into a big raging fire, these message boards are doubtlessly being monitored by the opposition. The SKS is a heck of an effective semi-auto, I'd be inclined to have the trigger pull smoothed out and leave it at that. If you really want that full-auto thrill, save up and buy a legal, transferrable weapon from a Class III dealer. One major downside (IMHO) to owning a registered machine gun is that the BATF drops in on you unannounced, annually I believe, to verify that the weapon in still in your possession. For my purposes, a semi-auto works just fine. Posted on May 05 1999, 02:31 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- good advice by jason Thanks for the advice, and you are right. Posted on May 05 1999, 05:26 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10 round run-a-round by Otto-Matic Dose anyone know where I can get a 10 round detachable mag for a Chinese SKS? All the mags I find start at 5 then jumps to 20 with nothing in between. I would use a 20 or 30 round except I'd probably get turned in by some jerk at the gun range who's not happy until somebody else is miserable. You know the type. Posted on May 04 1999, 08:46 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- why not use the 20-30rnd? by stuff It isn't illigal right? Those mags you have are pre-ban probably right? So what's the guy going to report you for? I don't understand... Posted on May 05 1999, 02:45 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- IT COULD BE VERY ILLEGAL. I HAVE THE CORRECT ANSWER INSIDE. by john You guys aren't going to like this. For everyone at this forumI did some more checking around with gun dealers and reread the law. Also talked to a few friends of mine who really know there stuff. If your rifle wasn't setup to use detachable mags before 1990 you cannot (legally) make it to do so. Now the only way I can see people proving this is if you bought a sks after 1990 and set it up with a detachable mag and then did something very illegal and got caught. Or you open you mouth and tell them. You can't use an american detachable mag without being in violation of the law unless you replace a some of imported parts with american made parts. All of the sks parts are considered imported parts, becaue the gun is imported. I've seen kits of american made parts for AK's, but not sks's. The ak parts kits are so you can legally put on a "military type" stock or a couple of other parts. And now your really going to like this: (please don't be mad at me for being the bearer on bad news) On April 6, 1998 there was a ban on the importation of guns that could accept high cap. military magazines. You used to beable to take an sks and remove the bayonet lug and put on a monte carlo or thumbhole style stock and then legally use a detachable mag. Since those rifles can't be imported anymore you can't do that to your gun either. You would have have to done that before april 6 1998. Hypothetical Example: Lets say someone has an sks he bought in 1993. Now lets say he just never got around to replacing the stock and removing the lug in order to use detachable mags. If he does that modification today he just broke 922(r) and commited a felony. Now, once again how in the hell are they going to prove when he did that to the rifle unless he tells them is beyond me. I could see it being easier to prove if you bought an sks in 1999 but you would almost have to commit a felon in order to be charged with breaking 922(r). You really can't look at an sks and tell when it was bought or modified. Anyways, that is how the law is. Just thought I'd let you know. Any other questions please ask. Posted on May 05 1999, 05:23 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SCREW the Damned "Laws"... by RUSSki The above smooshy-mooshy post sickens me. Listen to Rosie O' Piehole. Listen now to Elizabeth Dole. Man I am so freakin' BURNED OUT on all of this pure bull****. It is becoming OBVIOUS that the only end result is going to be a 2nd American Revolution. Oh no? The bastards push us towards it, just as they did in Colonial times. Will they try to grab our guns a second time? If they do, then in that instant they are no longer the legitimate government of this nation and should be thrown off as sure as that damned British king was. The politicians and mediots should also be held accountable for their roles in this increasingly dark drama. Sure, call me a rebel-rouser, an extremist, and so-on. I'm not the one saying that law-abiding citizens should be imprisoned for believing in ALL of the Bill of Rights. I'm not the ones writing, sponsoring and voting in-session on bills that clearly violate multiple amendments to the US Constitution. I am not the ones parroting obvious lies and exploiting tragedy in the media. Still think I'M the bad guy for what I said? Time to get off the pot, America - they are about to flush you right down it! Posted on May 05 1999, 09:32 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sad but, it looks like it's coming! by Steve BURNED OUT and getting PISSED OFF. They keep it up and they will see something they never expected!! Posted on May 06 1999, 07:20 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How can they tell you bought prior to 1990? by Steve Any special markings or do they do a trace and find out after 6 weeks when it was inported? Posted on May 06 1999, 07:25 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Near as I can tell... by john No. I pretty sure they(who ever it might be)will need the serial number and have to run a trace on when the firearm was imported and when you bought it and how it is setup. Now it is like I said. Good luck trying to find out when whoever did what to a firearm, unless you tell them something. Or commit a violent illegal act and get caught by the police who run a check on the firearm. I bet most local law enforcement most likely don't even know about this law. I had a friend who police office told him the wrong answer to a local firearms law! If you don't even know what the local laws are how can you know what the federal laws are? Note: 922(r) doesn't prohibit you from owning an sks you bought in 1999 and detachable magazine. You just can't legally put them together. Also, Russki I'm just telling everyone what the law is. I want people to know what is legal. I think there are a lot of people out there who are law following citizens and don't know of this law. I just don't want these people to not know what the law is and open their mouth to a over zelous government agent, and get charged with breaking a law they never even heard of before. You know the facts now and can make a well informed choice on what is legal and illegal to do to your sks. Posted on May 06 1999, 10:21 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And you may not like this either by Rebel Greetings, I was the other half of the infamous SKS legality debate. (Okay, quit throwing stuff at your computer screen). Anyways, I have reversed my position and I now agree with Jonn. My local BATF agent is partially to blame since he refused to answer my questions other than "yeah, that sounds right...etc". But anyways the reason that 922(r) applies is because the 1990 law regarding the Sportablity aspect specifically banned the further import of the SKS-56 with detachable clips. So the kicker is you are NOT in violation of the 1994 Semi-Automatic Assault Weapon law, but are in violation of the 1990 law since you have created the attributes of a banned weapon, (by removing the fix magazine and giving it a detachable magazine), that was specifically banned. I am not sure that this logic of the BATF would hold up in court, but this is the BATF's official position. Of course, if you have you SKS changed over to the detachable clips prior to enactment (1990) you are legal. As far as proving when the gun was imported , please note that US importer name which is stamped on your gun (ie, SWAN VT). That is what they can use as a base line to make a decision. If the guns the US imported came in a shipment from Russia in 1991 (legally imported), it will be tough to convice them you owned the gun prior to 1990. As a proud owner of a Russian SKS, I would recommend keeping it original. Stripper clips work great and it is easy to become efficient at a quick load. Posted on May 08 1999, 07:43 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for backing me up.... by john I wasn't telling anyone what to do to there weapon. I just wanted to make sure people where aware of a law they might now have heard of before. I just didn't want someone who didn't know of the law to be shooting at a range w/detachable mags and have a under cover federal agent come up and go, "Thats a nice sks. When did you get it?" "Oh, I got it back in 93." "Unissued?" "Yep, only payed $90 for it" "Ok sir put the rifle down and come with me." Unlikely. Yes very, but still possible. You would hope they would use slective enforcement and only charge all the criminals but you never know. Posted on May 09 1999, 12:24 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10 Shots by Gary Hey Otto: Why would you worry about detachable 10-round magazines when the fixed magazine is so easy to use? If you have high-capacity magazines that you wish to use when you're *not* at the range, it's certainly easy enough to pop the trigger group out and separate the stock from the action, that's all you need to do to re-install the original magazine. I've found the top-loading configuration is very fast to charge when using stripper clips. Probably faster than fumbling with a detachable mag, and the fixed 10-rounder never gets in the way when shooting from the bench. I know what you mean about people at the ranges voicing their disapproval over "assault weapons", large magazines and so on. Since I started volunteering at my range as a range officer (one Saturday or Sunday per month), I've had several people come up to me and whine about other shooters that have "those damned assault guns". To a man, they've all made some comment to the effect that "those people with those guns are gonna ruin it for all of us..." My usual response is usually something like: a) I've been watching him, like everyone else. His range discipline is just fine and he seems a safe shooter. I'll let him know if he's out of line. b) If "assault weapons" are the eventual cause of broad-reaching firearms restrictions or confiscation, it will be precisely because the people who shoot "sporting" weapons have failed to speak up for our collective rights. Thay has ignited a few shouting matches with those guys, I guess the truth is sometimes a bitter pill to swallow. Gary *God Save The Republic* Posted on May 06 1999, 11:27 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Let me explain by Otto-Matic Wow, did I stick my finger in a wasp nest or what!?! OK, here's the shortened version of the whole story. I bought this Chinese SKS from a gun dealer. It's a used gun and I was told that I'm the third owner, even though it still looks brand new. The bayonet mount has been ground down for import, and the stock is original. It came with 3 detachable mags. One 37 round and two 5 round. I have to admit that at the time what I knew about "assault rifles" would fit in my ear. I shoot in local competitions and have been hunting for over 25 years, and in all that time never owned such a gun. Hay, it was an impulse bye when I got this one. So not knowing any better, havening a detachable mag didn't seem odd. Anyway, a couple of guys at the gun range with AR15s suggested that best way to keep from getting in trouble with an assault rifle is to keep it completely original...no after market add ons, and they thought the SKS came with a 10 round clip not a 5 like I was using. That's why I was trying to find a 10 round detachable, thinking that's how it came originally. Obviously I'm wrong. So I would now like to ask two questions of you all. What size and type mag came on a Chinese SKS originally, and where can I get one. Just a quick foot note: I polished the bore and shot 40 rounds through it. I was rather impressed on how tight the pattern was even at 150 yards using the iron sights and a sand bag. I also now see what the attraction is to this style of gun...there fun to shoot. Posted on May 06 1999, 06:12 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Original mag by Virgil Caine The SKS originally came w/ a 10 round fixed magazine, a 20 round fixed is also available. 10 round stripper clips make refills a snap, easily as quick as swapping magazines. 20 round mag can not be re-loaded w/strippers, as the bolt closes after the first stripper is removed. Original magazines (and strippers) are available from Cheaper than Dirt, Classic Arms, and other outlets, check an issue of Shotgun News. Posted on May 06 1999, 06:55 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have a fixed 20 round mag that works ok with stripper clips by HJK bolt doesn't close even after the second stripper clip is removed. Posted on May 07 1999, 06:27 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I just wanted to make sure you were aware of the law. ctxt by john If the stock is a monte carlo or thumbole your fine legally. The sks comes with a 10 round fixed. The size of detachable clip has no impact on legality. Tapco (http://www.tapco.com) might have some. sksman.com has them for sure but they seem expensive. I'm not sure which twenty round mag the other guy was using but mine is useable with stripper clips. Make sure any mag you buy has a pointy thing at the back of the follower so it engages the bolt stop. It doesn't work nearly as well as the ten round stock mag. Loading the last couple rounds really require a lot of force. Loading 15 or so works better. I had to grind the "lips" of the mag back because they were to long. With out the change the case neck of the shell would go into the barrel, but the back half of the shell hadn't left the clip. Use the clips that you have as a guide to how much you should grind off if you have this problem. Don't get the 30 round fixed from CTD. The follower in the mag doesn't engage the bolt stop. High cap. fixed clips are still legal to use. Hope this helps. Posted on May 06 1999, 08:20 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Where to buy parts... by Gary Otto: I suspected that you had purchased the rifle with an "aftermarket" magazine, you see many such rifles on the used gun racks, always missing the original 10-round magazine. See my post below entitled "Front Sight" and the replies to it, there are two web pages referenced there. One is www.classicarms.org, they have an online catalog and a display of available SKS accessories, parts and magazines. You can see pics of the items and check availability. Their prices are good, too. You'll have to remove the trigger group from the stock and separate the barreled action from the wood in order to snap a fixed ten-round mag in place, no trouble at all. The "magazine release" functions to open the hinged body of the fixed mag, should you want to dump the cartridges and unload. You are correct - they *are* fun! Gary Posted on May 07 1999, 09:16 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks to all by Otto-Matic Just a little note to thank you all for your help, input, and information. For the curious, I ordered a 10 round FIXED mag and a bunch of stripper clips, although I'm not sure how I'm going to watch them at the gun range?!? Posted on May 09 1999, 10:27 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- milled chinese sks? by sinner i bought an norico sks a couple weeks ago and was cleaning it and it appeared to have mill marks. can anyone confirm or set me straight on this? thanks Posted on May 04 1999, 08:04 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- yes... by stuff My norinco sks has almost all milled parts. The trigger group is stamped. All #'s match. It is a great rifle. This is what I have heard: There are only very very few stamped reciever chinese sks's that would be worth a bunch of money because of rarity. The pinned vs. screwed in barrels: they all twist in... there are only diferences in the pin or nut which secures the barrel from backing out. I'm not sure about all this but it seems to be what most people agree with... Posted on May 05 1999, 02:39 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- milled receiver by craig I guess by mill marks you mean the swirls like polishing marks cut into the triger housing? Mine has that too. Posted on May 05 1999, 11:30 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Find more forums on Firearms Create your own forum at Netbabbler SKS Discussion Forum SKS Discussion Forum This board is dedicated to the discussion of the SKS rifle, feel free to ask all your questions here. I have decided to allow buying and selling of SKS (only)parts and accessories on this board. Send Comments and Questions to Survivor Survival Buy and Sell Forum General Gun Talk AK Discussion Forum -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7.62x39 with sabots by rocket has anyone tryed loading 7.62x39 with .224x.308 sabots? the sabot fingers are flexable enough that you could insert one of the 70gn..227 varmint bullets available. this would expand the sabot to .311. you should be able to use the supplyed 30-30 loading data as a guide to work up loads. I would guess at 3400fps with the 70gn. bullet. that is close to a 22-250. if the accuracy is there it would open up a new area to explore. Posted on May 04 1999, 05:32 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sabots by Survivor Sounds interesting, anyone want to try this out and let us know? I don't reload so I can't try it myself.... Posted on May 04 1999, 06:48 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sabot shootin' by Gary Hmmm, never thought of trying that in an SKS. Should work, though accuracy will be a tough test. There are plenty of .224 bullets out there, one or two is bound to give decent results. Here's something interesting: A message posted in the "Ammunition" section of the AR15.com message boards indicates that Speer 62gr. fmjbt bullets are the same as the military bullets used in current M855 5.56x45 ammo. The message further mentioned those bullets sticking to a magnet, indicating a steel penetrator. Sabots combined with those Speer bullets might be just the ticket for punching holes in stuff way, way out there. I don't know if the SKS has a fast enough rifling twist for the 62gr slugs, it might be better to stay with the 55gr type fmj projectiles (those are okay in M-16s with 1-in-14" and later 1-in-12" rifling twist rates. I'll bet the gummint don't like sabot rounds, no rifling marks on the bullet. Posted on May 05 1999, 09:54 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not a sabot but still fast by john I saw a MagSafe load in the sportsmans guide called the 7.62 X 39 Swat Sniper. It says it pushes an 80 grain bullet at 2750 feet per second. It looks like this shell has a massive hollow point bullet with pellets inside the cavity. Wouldn't want to use it as a varmit shell. It costs $20 for 6 shells! Posted on May 05 1999, 10:18 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frangible ammo by Gary That Magsafe stuff is supposed to work like a Glaser safety slug, it dumps all of its energy easily and is made to resist penetrating wallboard (at least there's some reduction). I would not think that sort of ammo would be very accurate due to the balance of the slug, it's made for "social encounter" distances. Posted on May 05 1999, 02:36 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- re sabots by rocket the sabots are designed to fit .308 bores. you would have to use the 70gn. .227 bullet to bump the sabot up to .311. useing .224 bullets would PROBALLY result in a 2 foot group. Posted on May 05 1999, 08:22 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- red plastic stock by Grant R. Aikin Does anyone have an oppion on the Chinese "red" plastic stocks that have hit the US market? How's the fit? Do they seem tough? Posted on May 04 1999, 03:54 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Red stocks by Survivor They are actually fiberglass I think and they are called the Jungle Stock, they were used because the humidity and wet conditions in Vietnam rotted the wooden stocks, they are tough and fit pretty good. Posted on May 04 1999, 04:13 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Discovery in D.C. by Concerned Grant, can you bring us up to date on the April 27th home seizure on Capitol Hill of a loaded SKS and MAK-90? Do you buy the story the P.D. is putting out? Posted on May 05 1999, 09:30 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by Grant R. Aikin This is the first I've heard of it. Can you give me details or URL with the story? Posted on May 06 1999, 10:47 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Low Down by Concerned Grant, my folks sent me a clipping from the April 28 Metro Section of the WASHINGTON POST. This item merely reported a set of dubious "police department said" statements that failed to add up. The firearms owner lives on Fourth Street N.E. His wife left the townhouse at 0730, April 27, setting off a silent alarm. So far so good. Now comes the unbelievable parts. The D.C. Police actually show up to investigate. Finding the front door standing wide open they enter and find an SKS, MAK-90, Ruger 10/22, and "certain older, collectable rifles" laying around the living room, loaded and ready to shoot. A search warrant was subsequently issued for the weapons, and the entire trove removed prior to the homeowner's return. When our hero returned from the swing shift at Langley (VA), he was taken into custody with much fan fare. One follow on report, reproduced in part over the internet, indicated that the guy was "not normal" in that he's travelled extensively, including to India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka. Spooks do that sort of thing, of course. Additionally, we are told the D.C. cops are seeking to pile on any applicable "federal firearms violations" anybody could dream up. You know the neighborhood as I do, Grant. It is inconceivable that the events reported above occurred as reported altho strange things can/do happen. In closing let me just say that if I'd travelled to Sri Lanka and witnessed the rude goings on there, between the government forces and the Tamil Tigers, I'd wish to be armed too. As the National Security Council hasn't learned of that decade old strife yet, I won't go into details here other than to say that Secretary Albright and Secretary Cohen would be redeploying our bombers there posthaste if they had an inkling of the scale of the fighting or the butcher bill. The Clinton Doctrine should apply there as it does to thirty-one other garden spots by today's count. Posted on May 07 1999, 08:20 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by Grant R. Aikin Well, as you know that is a pretty good neighborhood. Several members of Congress have homes around there. The D.C. police have gotten much better over the past few years and they even showed up when my father-in-laws silent alarm went off. I would seem that our friend from Langley didn't have his toys registered in D.C. A big no-no. With just the facts that we have here it looks like the guy might have been set up by a third party. Either all the guns were planted by someone else or that someone knew about his collection and fixed the scene. If he really is into some kind of cloak and dagger stuff this becomes even more probable. I know guys who have done far worse just as a prank. I bet his freinds at the farm are bustin' a gut! Posted on May 07 1999, 11:51 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is Taking Place HERE! F'n SICK, Man! no text by RUSSki . Posted on May 11 1999, 06:54 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bayonet on a Russian sks?? by Shepherd I have a Russian SKS it came with the bayonet on it and I was told by a friend that I would have to take it off. I was also told by another friend that I could keep the bayonet on becuse it was a Russian SKS! is this true? could anyone help out with this? Posted on May 03 1999, 08:17 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Depends by Mike It is my understanding that an unmodified Russian SKS is classified as Curio & Relic and, therefore, can have the baya it came with. If, however, you have modified the weapon in any way, (new stock, detach mag, etc) it is no longer eligible for the classification and the bayo must go. Anyone have anything different? Posted on May 03 1999, 10:22 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don't sweat it... by V-Shrake For some reason, known only to the bureaucratic gods and the pinheads at ATF, the Russian SKS is listed as a "Curio and Relic", and can have a bayonet, unlike post-ban Chinese guns. But, you lose C&R status if you change ANYTHING on your weapon; no extended mags, no folding stocks, etc.. No big deal really, as it shoots just fine as is. I know mine does. :~} Posted on May 03 1999, 10:23 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Russian SKS by Survivor The Russian SKS is listed as a Curio and Relic by the BATF and therefore is allowed to remain in it's original military configuration with the bayonet attached. Posted on May 04 1999, 02:06 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks! by Shep Thanks ever one! that is what I was looking for! you guys are GREAT!! Posted on May 05 1999, 03:43 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WTS: SKS PARTS ctxt by CUB SKS Parts Firing Pin $3.95 Extractor & Spring $5.95 Gas Piston $6.95 Operating Rod $3.95 Operating Rod Spring $3.95 Recoil Spring Assembly $4.95 Hammer $3.95 Hammer Spring $2.95 Receiver Cover $4.95 Mag Catch Latch $1.95 Disconnector $2.95 Trigger Spring $1.95 Trigger $1.95 Trigger Bar $3.95 Safety $2.95 Safety Spring $4.95 Bolt Stop & Spring $1.95 Receiver Cover Lock Pins $7.95 Pressure Plates $2.95 Trigger Group Lock Pins $2.95 Pin Kits $3.95 (Bolt Stop, Mag Latch, Trigger, Safety, and F&R Sight Retaining Pins) Trigger Group Milled or Stamped $89.95 All prices do not reflect shipping & handling cost Please e-mail or call with Zip Code for S&H cost Taxes apply if in Texas Posted on May 03 1999, 02:39 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Look at this by Stuff I got this message from another board: When I turned 18 years old I was living in Brooklyn NY. First thing I did was go out and get my license to own rifles/shotguns. Second thing I did was run out and buy a nice new AK. (This was about 1985). Each gun I bought was registered with the NYC Firearms Control Section (think about those three words for a minute). Over the next year I also acquired a Mini-14,HK 93 and AR-15..all duly registered. Flash forward a couple years...I've gone to college and am living in the great state of Montana. My brother, still living in NYC, forwards me some mail from the NYPD. It says 'our records show you own these assault weapons...turn them in or get them out of the city. Send us proof you no longer have them'. I, being freshly filled with Montana-ness and not in the mood for any bureaucratic gestapo mandates, write them back a letter saying 'You want 'em? Come and get 'em.' A few months go by.... My brother calls and says 'Hey, remember the guy we sold the house to? Half a dozen cops showed up on the porch the other day looking for yourguns.' Moral of the story: Next time someone says 'registration does NOT lead to confiscation' you give 'em my email address and tell them to write me. J. e-mail: xxxxxxxx Posted on May 02 1999, 09:41 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How old is my SKS by Shepherd Would any one know how to find out when a SKS was made? my recever cover has a five pointed star with a arrow pointing forward, below this is (1953r) all numbers match on this rifle. I was wondering if it was a Pr-Ban rifle or not? Posted on May 02 1999, 06:42 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- sks age by guthrie Shep, You have a Russian gun produced at the Tula arsenal signified by the star with the arrow. 1953 was the year it was made. Hope this helps. guthrie Posted on May 02 1999, 07:15 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Spring-Loaded Firing Pins? by RUSSki Are there any spring-loaded firing pins available for SKS? I can imagine that one could have its' tip reduced in diameter and an appropriate strength spring slipped over it (?). Out of my league as a tinkerer, but I'd like to have such a pin if available. Thanks! Posted on May 02 1999, 01:11 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- KSI of Pamona by Ron I have a SKS that was imported by KSI of Pamona. Does anyone have any information as to what happend to them? I have heard that they were involved with the shipment of F/A Chinese Aks that were brought into California a couple of years ago. Ron Posted on May 02 1999, 07:20 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No, It Wasn't Those Folks ! by Circumspect Rather it was the Democratic National Committee that was involved in the select fire AK rifle import, several years ago. They would have gotten away with it too if it hadn't been for field agents of U.S. Customs who happened to not be in the loop on the approved shipment. K-Sports Incorporated did join a class action suit several years ago attempting to recover financial loses imposed by one of President Clinton's many executive orders. Evidently, the proceedings did not go the plaintiff's way and the import company has subsequently ceased-doing-business. I suspect the executive order several companies challenged openly was the president's March 1994 embargo on "military goods" from the People's Republic of China. It is interesting to note that there are currently plenty of new boom booms from those political allies of the Dems in the U.S. market place. Just another "snafu" one could say. Forget trying to locate KSI. They're outta sight. Posted on May 02 1999, 10:54 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Russian spare parts... by V-Shrake Anybody know where I can get some spare parts for my Tula? I checked out sarco.com, and they have a good supply of parts, but I'm guessing thy're all Chinese. Or, has anyine tried putting Chinese parts in a Russian gun? What worked, what needed fitting, that sort of thing would be helpful. I'm actually of two minds on the subject. Since my rifle was arsenal reworked, most of the parts are either new or nearly so, the weapon is built stout, and I can't afford to shoot it a whole lot anyway, so I'm wondering if I would be able to shoot it enough to wear anything out in the first place. (don't ya love run-on sentences?) I'm not really worried about the big parts (sear and hammer, etc.), but the stuff that's most likely to break on other guns: springs, ejectors, firing pins. Ideally, I'd like to have two firing pins, an ejector, and a full set of springs (trigger group springs, recoil spring, op-rod spring, ejector spring). If I had those, it would be great insurance. So, anyone with experience in this stuff, please let me know. Posted on May 01 1999, 12:08 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- cleaning cosmoline from SKS? by curly What's the reccomended way to do an initial cleaning on a SKS to remove cosmoline? I have heard about soaking the parts in gasoline to get it off- is this okay or is there a better way? Thanks to Brandon for his reply to my magazine removal question. Posted on Apr 30 1999, 08:32 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Try this.... by john I used outers nitro solvent. It appeared to work very well. It also didn't do anything to the wood stock when I sprayed it on there. Just check on a small area of your stock and see if it does anything bad. Anyways it worked good for me, probably because it contains turpentine. Posted on Apr 30 1999, 09:10 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WD-40 by brandon i used wd-40 on my new sks. it cleans both the stock and the gun with no problems. also remove the stock when cleaning the cosmoline. Posted on May 01 1999, 05:31 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Aerosol GunScrubber and... by RUSSki ... DENATURED ALCOHOL. I used a Tupperware type container and immersed the bolt, bolt carrier, firing pin and trigger group. I let it soak while I cleaned the rest of the rifle. DON'T FORGET TO CHECK the "short piston" and it's cylinder. I thought my rifle was "done", then a friend popped-out the short piston - it and its' cylinder were really gunked-up! You can use a piece of dowel or plastic to push cleaning patches soaked in cleaner through the piston cylinders. After soaking the small, loose parts a while, I brass-brushed them lightly. The firing pin needs to be really loose and rattle freely! Make sure that you've gotten it that clean. I didn't have to remove the pin from the bolt assembly, but do it if that is what it takes to be sure of it's looseness. A stiff or plugged-up firing pin can and will give you a slam-fire! The aerosol GunScrubber comes with a little tube like WD40 has, and you can really jet-out the nooks and crannies! Hold the can upright as much as possible, otherwise you'll lose much of the pressure without much cleaner coming out. Posted on May 01 1999, 08:22 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- sks magazine removal by curly I have recently acquired a Chinese SKS, and am having trouble removing the stock magazine. It seems from all the manuals I have read that the magazine should just pull out when you get the trigger assembly out, but mine doesn't want to come out. Wanted to know if there is any trick to this or should I just pull harder? Also, any opinions on the metal Chinese 20-rd mags? I have heard the plastic 30 rd are not too reliable, but since these were made by the makers of the rifle I would hope the metal ones are better. Thanks in advance for your advice & opinions on these questions.... Posted on Apr 30 1999, 05:48 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- mag removal by brandon hold the bolt back and pull on the magazine until it comes out. you may have to pull HARD the first time. Posted on Apr 30 1999, 07:14 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Try this... by V-Shrake It could be that the feed lips are stuck in the magazine well. Try pushing down on them, and pulling the magazine out with downward pull. As for the twenty-rounders. I had one in my first SKS, a Chinese Para, and it worked fine. Takes a little more pressure to load than a ten, and you can't close the bolt on an empty chamber, but otherwise works well. I tried to put that mag in my Russian, and it wouldn't work. The mag well was too tight, and the feed lips were pushed too close togehter; wouldn't feed. So I traded it for some more ammo. Gotta like that bayonet! First you shoot the bunny, then you roast him. :~} No more cutting spits for me. Posted on Apr 30 1999, 09:17 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Accessing the SKS firing pin by MACV Can someone tell me how to remove the firing pin from my SKS bolt. I saw a pin that holds the ejector but could not tap it out easily, I didnt want to damage the bolt. Posted on Apr 29 1999, 09:26 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Drive that pin out with a punch, like the one that comes with... by swami your gun that is stored in the butt of the rifle. Only then will you be able to remove both firing pin and extractor. I use a barbell plate and set the bolt assy. over the hole in the plate so the pin can drop out. I doubt you will hurt the bolt. Good Luck. Oh, make sure you put the firing pin back in correctly! Posted on Apr 29 1999, 10:46 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Are We Making A Difference? by God Bless America We are indeed making a difference! Your letters to congress and the senate do and have made a BIG difference. Our opponent realizes it lost seats in D.C. because they supported the Clinton gun ban in '94. They themselves admit this! Keep it up! Join the NRA and GOA, it will be worth it, our rights and our children's rights are worth it. I have guns that have been in my family for years, I plan for my great grandchildren to have the right to own them as well. Write your representatives at both the state and national level whenever bills come up for a vote, lets FLOOD them. Don't be rude, but be firm in letting them know you are willing to vote on the 2nd Amendment rights issue alone. Use the links below to find phone numbers and e-mail addresses to your Reps. Lets show the enemy we have "just begun to fight"! http://www.gunowners.org http://www.nra.org http://www.GOA-Texas.org Posted on Apr 29 1999, 07:42 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not one responce to your post! Shows you how a lot of us are lazy or uneducated about this issue! by Steve S. Only around 5% of us are members.. Most of us will drop $500.00 to 2,000.00 on a gun but can't send the NRA a meger $35.00. Go figure Can you imagin if only half of us joined the NRA, the pull they would have?? It's sad! Posted on May 07 1999, 08:01 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not true by john I read his post and agree with him. I'm in the nra and do write my representatives. Posted on May 10 1999, 04:22 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- subsonic loads for 7.62x39 by John in AZ Does any one haave subsonic loads for 180 .311 bullets in the 7.62x39. Posted on Apr 28 1999, 09:21 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- subsonic varmint load 762x39 by vlad I worked up this load for very close range to take small animals for the stew pot, or for the occasional critter in the yard. RCBS 30-180-SP mould bullets of wheelweight metal dropped from hot mould onto sponge on 5 gal water to harden from SKS 20 inch barrel 4.5 gr Herco clocks 750 fps 6.2 grains Herco clocks 1050 fps filled case to top with sesame seed to hold powdr against flashhole for uniform ignition shot-to-shot these loads do not operate the bolt. PS When shooting full-power ammo if you don't want your brass to flip into the next county, remove bolt operating rod and shoot SKS as a pull-bolt. It'll work. (Of course, if the fuzzies are swarming over the village wall semi-auto might serve you better.) Posted on Apr 30 1999, 05:46 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Safety spring - Help! Please! by Careful SOMEONE out there must have installed ( or tried to install ) one of these things before. Please post or e-mail me! I'd really like your advise! Posted on Apr 28 1999, 05:07 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- shooting sks for first time this weekend by craig anyone have any pointers like where to set the elevation on the rear sights for about 100 yards. When i was a kid we just kept them in one place and adjusted by leaving a little of the front sights showing in the rear sight or a lot any suggestions as to where to put the adjust rear sight. or any other tips would be appreciated. thanks Posted on Apr 27 1999, 07:10 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- good to go by jojo the manual says position 1 is for 110 yards and with my gun that is very true Posted on Apr 27 1999, 10:38 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Make sure you've got all the grease out! Cosmoline in the... by swami barrel or gas piston or tube can cause problems! As for the sight adjustment, I have mine pulled all the way back (one below zero) on two of mine for a perfect hit at 100yds. That fully rearward setting is supposed to be the "battle" position for about 200-300 yds, but each rifle is a little different. Have fun! Posted on Apr 27 1999, 11:03 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Slamfires by Careful Make sure the gun is pointed in a safe direction (as you alway should) and be ready when you first chamber a round in case it gos auto on you. Apperently a very rare occurance, but best to be aware. Posted on Apr 28 1999, 05:12 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To scope or not to scope? by Pierre Been firing my new russian sks and was wondering about scoping it? Did any of you have any luck? which mount is best etc? Or should i leave it as it is, TIA pierre Posted on Apr 24 1999, 08:38 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- scoping by guthrie pierre, check out rifletech.com they have a good selection of scope/mount combos. I put the cheapest mount and scope I could find. A uralux 4x25 (fat crosshairs) and a mount that replaces the reciever cover and has 4 set screws that clamp onto the side of the reciever.for a cheap setup its not bad,BUT you have to take off the mount to access the bolt for cleaning, and it is always a little off when you put it back on. I do like the short scope it allows you to still use strippers. I am going to get a better set-up...you get what you pay for. guthrie Posted on Apr 24 1999, 06:05 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anyone Have An Oppinion On The Scope/Mount Tapco Carries?(ntxt) by Reb . Posted on Apr 24 1999, 06:10 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- scope mount from tapco by randy i have one peice scope mount ,works good tight fit. you may have to file the front of mount some ,wasn't that bad .thinking about buying another to replace the mount on another gun. randy Posted on Apr 25 1999, 04:55 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not so hot by Mike I think they are the same as several others sell with a Leapers mount and Ultralux 4X25. I got mine from Centerfire Systems for 19.99 (they still are that price). I bought it for my wife because she can't seem to get the hang of open sights. For her they are super. If you have no problem with open sights then stay away from them. You get what you pay for. I've never been able to match open sights performance with the scope. I will never put one on my Russian. Posted on Apr 26 1999, 09:30 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- But ain't it easier to hit a target at 200 to 300 yds with a scope? by Reb I guess that would depend some on the shooter, but a grapefruit size target at 200 yards is kinda hard to see and line up with open sights.. Posted on Apr 27 1999, 05:22 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How do I match that chinese varnish?? by Mike I recently modified a SKS-D thumbhole stock to fit a Russian I recently purchased. The final combo looks exceptionally well except the dremmel slipped in a couple spots and scratched the stock. The simplest solution (I think) is to fill or sand the scratches but how on earth do I match that wierd golden shellac?? Does one of the commercially available finishes match? Any clues folks? Posted on Apr 23 1999, 09:40 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- why? by jojo why match that terrible mess just strip the whole stock and refinish it with a nice stain and clear coat. just my 2› Posted on Apr 24 1999, 07:11 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Front sight by Gary I need a front sight body for an SKS barreled receiver. Anyone have a spare or know where I can get one? I've tried SARCO and TAPCO, all they have are the threaded posts and the sliding base that adjust windage. I need the part that is pressed on the barrel, no matter if "pre-ban" or "post-ban". Thanks, Gary Posted on Apr 23 1999, 08:58 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- www.gunpartscorp.com (ntxt) by J.A. x Posted on Apr 26 1999, 07:16 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Try these 2. by Al Benecki I have bought from both these places in the past.Give them a call and check out there websites,sometimes they don't have the part you need listed,but they have them.www.surplusfirearms.com and www.classicarms.org Al Posted on Apr 26 1999, 10:38 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks! Classic Arms had the part. (ntxt) by Gary . Posted on Apr 29 1999, 03:28 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FYI: Ammo Prices for 7.62 x 39 by Rebel Just an update for those interested in ammo prices. I went to a local gun show last weekend to buy some ammo. 2 months ago I could have purchased a 1000 rounds for 115.00. Last month I decline to buy the same (it is the Russian hollow point ammo) for 125.00. This time they were asking 140.00 for the same ammo, and they were already sold out of everything except individual boxes of 20 rounds for 3.00. I asked the various vendors where the ammo was. There answer was that the Russians were no longer selling to US importers as the ammo was being redirected to Serbia. It seems plausible, but in any event I was curious if anyone else had try to buy bulk-rate ammo lately and if the price had gone up for them? I live in the South (where ammo is generally inexpensive), so I was suprized to see a 21 % increase in only two months. Posted on Apr 21 1999, 07:33 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cheaper Than Dirt price is.... by john 109.50 for a case of a thousand rounds. The S&B ammo (which is what I like, it's almost as expensive as the russian where I live) is sill 121.95 for a case of 900 rounds. There is no tax on this unless you live in TX. And shipping and handleing will run you 14.97. Locally I have not seen any increase in the price of ammo. Anyone else seen or not seen an increase in the price of ammo in your area? Posted on Apr 21 1999, 07:43 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by William tHEY DONT HAVE ANY!!! Posted on Apr 25 1999, 03:11 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7.62 ammo by guthrie Rebel, Go to Auctionarms .com Look for 1000/rnd case for $95.00 . The guy (GUNSMOKE) is in Ga. so shipping will not be much for you. I got a couple cases, Russian HP.It is new production, good stuff. guthrie Posted on Apr 22 1999, 09:22 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Auction Arms Ammo by Survivor Just got my 2 cases from the same guy, great service, I hope to order a couple more soon. Posted on Apr 22 1999, 10:40 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by Careful I got one. Excellent service. Posted on Apr 28 1999, 04:56 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ammo Prices by Rebel I just purchased a Shotgun News and also found that the prices were still in the 99.00 range at some places. I'll try the place you suggested and see if he still has some. Thanks. (Still wish I could "cash/carry" rather than mail order though..) Posted on Apr 25 1999, 06:50 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7.62x39 by Shepherd308 Yes I orderd some two weeks ago, and it was $115 for 1000rounds. it was out of stock but they would give it to me for the price that was in thear add. it should arive in one more week! but they did say that the price was going to about $140 after this! Posted on Apr 22 1999, 08:56 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- keep your guns locked up by brandon ok guys i know that most of you allready do, but keep your guns locked when not in use. besides the tragety in the loss of lives at these highschool shootings, this will nodoubtly bring more gun control b.s. for the guys that like to enjoy our fine sport. make sure that YOU are the only one with access to your guns, and maybe this will stop. my .02 Posted on Apr 20 1999, 09:23 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wishfull thinking by Steve S. I think you are correct in that we as responsible gun owners should lock up our guns in a safe or in a secure manner. But this will not stop kids from getting guns on the streets if they wnat them bad enough. If we want to stop this type of violence, you must reevaluate the media (TV,movies and even video games) and hold parents responsible to teach our children right from wrong and how to work out their problems. Just my 2 cents.... Posted on Apr 21 1999, 08:30 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good Thinking by Capt. Daves Steve, I think you hit the nail right on the head. I feel your .02 worth of advice is worth about $1,000,000.02. I had accidents with firearms when I was young for the simple reason that I wasn't tought the proper way to handle firearms (& they were'nt locked up). I plan on teaching my kids yuong how to properly handle a weapon. If they like it, Yea, I have a shooting buddy. And if they don't at least they know how to safely handle a firearm. Oh Yea, I'm also very, VERY concious of what I allow my kids to watch on TV. That's my .02 Capt. Posted on Apr 22 1999, 08:40 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Online SKS Manual by Survivor Come check it out, Feedback appreciated. http://members.tripod.com/~Surv1vor/sksman.html Posted on Apr 20 1999, 07:54 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks ctxt by john Reading that manual made me think of the first time I disassembled my sks. I didn't have a picture showning to leave the bolt closed. So I went ahead and removed the pin that keeps the reciever cover on with the bolt open and then watched my reciever cover go flying acrossed the room and hit the wall. I should have known that was going to happen but didn't really give the spring inside the gun much thought. It was kinda funny but you had to be there to get the full effect. On page 14 it says to put grease on the bolt carrier bearings and bolt bearings. What are the bearings and do you, personally, put grease on them? BTW :-) I have noticed the sks and ak-74 of the kalashnikov are more or less dead. I guess that is what happens when you make people use a password. Thanks once again for the great board. Posted on Apr 20 1999, 08:26 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- sks manual by Brian I liked It. but it could use more pics. Mabey some of the guys on here could send some in. Is there a links page coming? Posted on Apr 21 1999, 12:47 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sure thing by Survivor I will add a SKS links page soon, and if anyone on this board has a pic of their SKS or a pic of an unusual variant, feel free to send ot to me. Posted on Apr 21 1999, 05:09 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS Page update by Survivor I have added a links section, if anyone has any other SKS links they would like added let me know and I will get them up there, come on guys some of you must have pics of your SKS that you would like posted, if you don't have a scanner I might be able to help you out, email me if you are interested, I would like to make this a good page for the SKS users on this board, any suggestions are welcome. Posted on Apr 23 1999, 09:57 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS plinking! by Bill Woods What are your favorite things to shoot at with your sks? I've seen pictures of a 17" moniter being blown away... What is the coolest stuff you guys blow up with the sks? Thanks! Posted on Apr 20 1999, 01:13 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Plinking with my SKS by Survivor A whole lot of pop cans and bottles, the best thing I plinked on was a manequin that was out at the local range, that was pretty cool. Posted on Apr 20 1999, 02:31 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Plinking by john Pop cans and bottle filled up with water and shot with hollow pionts are my favorite targets when not shooting paper targets. What does btw mean? I have been trying to figure this out and it is driving me nuts! Posted on Apr 20 1999, 04:41 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BTW=By The Way (ntxt) by Survivor . Posted on Apr 20 1999, 04:57 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Plinking by rsig For all you kids out there, don't try this at home. I've been told, ;>) that you can take a regular 5 lb. coffee can and fill it with round golf ball sized rocks, take about 2 tablespoons of gasoline and pour it over the rocks. Put the lid back on good and tight. ( Duct tape will work ). Let 'er sit awhile to get the fumes evenly dispersed. Get back about 50 yrds. and with API ammo have a go at it! If you don't have access to any API just ignite a road flare and place it behind the coffee can, be careful with raw flames and gasoline!!! It is a pretty impressive show to see. YMMD though. Ron Posted on Apr 20 1999, 07:17 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- API is nice, but FMJ ball ammo will probably work too. by Gary All those fumes need is a teeny spark, which will probably occur when the bullet pierces the front of the can and throws little shards of metal around. It sure works on nearly-empty propane bottles. Just be sure to shoot from a safe distance, preferable from behind solid cover! Here's a challenge: Try taping a CO2 ampule to the target board and shoot a hole in it. Talk about an "action" target! Either it'll squirt out of sight like a missile or it'll burst with a very loud report. Again, full safety precautions are in order - those things make formidable projectiles! One guy I know used to plink at cans of Freon, back when it was 75 cents for a one-pound can. Very impressive, I saw one take off down an old logging road and smack into a tree some 200 yards away. Uh, sorry about the ozone, fellas! Gary Posted on Apr 22 1999, 11:46 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Speaking of Freon cans by blipblip Anyone remember the full-auto BB gun [LARC] from the 1970s? Those were a blast. Knew a hardware store employee in W. Texas who 'controlled' the sparrow population around his brick building each morning about dawn with a LARC. Posted on Apr 24 1999, 11:18 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LOL!! The "M-19A Annihiliator"!! by Gary I had one of those things! I sure regretted not buying the air hose adapter as that R-12 got more and more expensive. I can still see the "rope" of copper BBs snaking out to the target... tons of fun. I loaned it to a friend and he still has it, despite three moves and two divorces! Gotta get that thing back and fabricate an adapter for the "new" refrigerant cans... Just don't tell the EPA, okay? ;^) Gary P.S.: Hmmm... It would sure make a cool "nose gun" for a radio-controlled model of the A-10 Warthog. Sounds like more fun than a potato gun. Posted on Apr 26 1999, 09:25 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- stinking plinking by Mike Although less pyrotechnically advance than the gasoline bomber, stinky, rotten veggies and fruit tend to explode nicely when nudged by the hp russians. This is particularly entertaining after Halloween when pumpkins are a plenty. Maybe rocks and gas in the pumpkin.......... Posted on Apr 20 1999, 08:02 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pumpkins are good... by Gary But watermelons are better! Saw one literally vanish when hit by a 12-gauge rifled slug at close range. Not one little piece of that tough green rind remained. Heck, not even a seed could be found! Only a pinkish cloud of mist and a damp spot on the ground where the melon had been. Shortly after that, I bought a Remington 870 with an 18" barrel, truly devastating at home-defense distances. I've been thinking about trying to recreate the melon event and catch it on video tape, it'd make a heck of a screen saver! Posted on Apr 22 1999, 11:56 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey Gary, try filling the pumpkins with liquid! Awesome!! by swami xx Posted on Apr 26 1999, 12:59 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is that on the "Shooting Home Appliances" page? by Gary You guys have to do a web search for that one. Definitely worth a look! Also, though it's not about plinking, you should also seach for the website concerning the "Infamous Exploding Whale", a story of a beached dead whale, lots of TNT, a TV camera crew and well, you've gotta see it to appreciate it! Gary Posted on Apr 22 1999, 11:50 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- plinking by mike in TN coyotes groundhogs crows loaned it to a frend once he took a 6 point buck with russian hp. decent hunting rifle if you want iron sights. i have never been able to keep a scope set on this gun despite trying several mounts and scopes mike in Tn Posted on Apr 24 1999, 09:03 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS... 10 + 1 Capacity? by RUSSki I noticed that it is possible to load the SKS 10rd mag fully, then hold the rounds down, and ease the bolt forward. This leaves the gun loaded on an empty chamber, which is about what I'd prefer when parking it in a handy corner at night. It follows that I could manually put an 11th round right into the chamber and then do the above "trick", resulting in a "10+1" maximum loading. OR, which is likely, given my luck, will this be too much stress on the 10rd mag spring? With both examples, I EASE the bolt forward to battery. Am I risking a misfire right off the bat? Oh, as a follow-up, I added small links from some chain I use at work as adapters to get my SuperSling II Plus from WalMart to work on my Tula SKS. Softish nylon web, brown woodland camo, one-hand adjustments. Fourteen bucks plus the tinkering. Not bad! Posted on Apr 19 1999, 07:10 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11 shot mag by brandon both of my "10 rnd magazines" hold 11 rnds, i wouldn't leave shells in the mag. and store the gun though. if you want a gun for security, buy a 12 guage pump shotgun. remove the plug from the mag. and fill the mag with buckshot. this will be just as effective on an intruder, and there will be a lesser chance of the bullets going through a wall and possible strinking a family member. just my $.02 Posted on Apr 19 1999, 09:28 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That sounds good to me by Bill Woods I had a problem with a magazine at one time which made me have to shoot one at a time that day. Loading them like you said and easing the bolt down I never had a misfire. I bet with a full mag and one in the chamber it'd work great... That magazine btw was a d.c. detachable... it has since been tweaked and I don't even use it anymore 'cause I discovered zytel mags. They work flawlessly with my rifle. Posted on Apr 20 1999, 01:10 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Speaking of GREASE... by RUSSki ... "someone" was telling me that the main gas piston should be greased rather than just oiled as the grease "seals" the piston better. I disagree, but want to hear from some of the "old salts" out there in CyberLand. Posted on Apr 18 1999, 08:22 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Grease...NOT!! ctxt by The Confessor I would think that anyone who is a student of the design of the SKS (and, incidentally, the AK) would know that grease in the gas tube would not enhance the performance of the weapon. Besides, grease of ANY kind attracts dirt and buildup, which means that all the sooty swill you normally swab out would be concentrated in the grease. The effect this would have would be similar to a rouge or buffing compound and whatever positive sealing you gained would be offset by the fact that your gastube would slowly enlarge and your piston would slowly shrink (which they do anyway, they'd just do it faster). The SKS (and AK) were designed with VERY loose tolerances in general, and any perceived "slop" is most likely already accounted for in that design. The gas system was designed to accomidate a WIDE variety of gunpowders and loadings while still functioning flawlessly (unlike the AR-15/M-16 which is VERY particular about those sort of things). Generally, unless you have fired a LARGE number of rounds through one of these weapons, the "slop" you feel is probably not a problem. As with any firearm, the SKS benefits from proper lubrication. The best lubricants are non-oil based penetrating teflons, as they do not attract dirt and will (with long term usage) penetrate the metal surface and provide a very durable and long-lasting slickness. Militec-1, Breakfree CLP and pther brands are available and are THE best way to go. If you are REALLY worried about sealing up the gas system, I would look for some rubber o-rings of appropriate size and have a piston machined so that it had SQUARE channels for the to rest in. The only true benefit I can see from this modification is a redection (and certainly NOT an elimination) in the amount of soot and crud that bypasses the piston head and continues towards the receiver. I would worry about o-rings failing and becoming lodged in the gas system myself. My SKS and AK rifles have always performed flawlessly with just CLP or Militec-1 on the piston... Posted on Apr 19 1999, 12:39 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- grease what? by Brian Ok guys, what parts should i oil and what should I grease? Someone told me to scratch the oil and just use grease. They also said grease all parts where moving metal parts touch. I always just did the springs and oiled everything else. What do you think? Posted on Apr 18 1999, 06:22 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- grease not by J.A. Use CLP on your whole gun inside and out. It's got teflon in it. The teflon gets into the pours of the metal.CLP won't let fouling adhere to metal. U.S. military uses CLP on everything from rifles to cannons. grease+ fouling+ dirt/trash= valve grinding compound grease+ fouling in firing pin hole in bolt = slam fires. Been there seen this. Posted on Apr 18 1999, 06:42 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What about Rem Oil? It has teflon in it and I can't find CLP where I live. ntxt by john ntxt Posted on Apr 18 1999, 06:52 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Try MiliTec-1... by RUSSki You can mail-order small bottles (which go a long way) right from the manufacturer. Visit: http://www.ktog.org/ They have a link and info on MiliTec-1. Posted on Apr 18 1999, 08:20 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sarco has it .... by J.A. pint $5.95 3 for $15 4-1 gallon jugs $78 delivered 1-908-647-3800 Posted on Apr 23 1999, 04:19 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- According to the KTOG site I referred to... by RUSSki ... this stuff goes a really long ways. It lasts, and a tiny amount does the job. Even a pint or two would last you quite a while! I'm wondering if I can locate one of those "needle" type oilers and fill it with MiliTec-1 (?). Posted on Apr 23 1999, 06:55 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Needle Oiler by blipblip Try BROWNELLS, item #280-002-000 Needle Oiler. Phone is 515-623-5401 FAX is 515-623-3896 Posted on Apr 24 1999, 11:27 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS PROBLEM by Matt My Norinco SKS won't eject the spent case most of the time, and sometimes reloads the empty case. Can somebody give me some suggestions on how to fix this please. Thanxx Posted on Apr 17 1999, 02:35 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Extractor? by Al Benecki Look at your extractor and see if its broken,has a nick on it or isn't free. Posted on Apr 17 1999, 09:17 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ejection problems by DaMan Al, already mentioned one posible problem ie. problem with extrator or extractor spring. My hunch is that you experiencing "short recoil" for one reason or the other! Pull your bolt to the rear most position. Note the portion of the receiver that serves as the "EJECTOR". If you have a short recoil problem, your bolt will not go back far enough for the "ejector" to kick out spent case. To check whether your problem is extractor related or short recoil do the following: 1. Chamber a SPENT EMPTY case. 2. Pull bolt sharply and completely to the rear. If the case ejects, the problem is short recoil. Clean gas channel and receiver thoroughly! Hope this helps! E-mail me if problem continues! Regards! DaMan Posted on Apr 19 1999, 01:21 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Will your spent case...... by john Will your spent case totally cover up the bullet of a live round if you put the bullet inside the spent shell? The reason why I ask is I was wondering if this was normal in an sks or all rifles for that matter.(I can do it with my spent sks cases.)Was my sks designed like this(chinese military factory 26) so it would still chamber a shell even if the shell was full of dirt and the barrel dirty. Or is this a problem, like exessive head space (not sure what that means please explain if you know), and the gun will cease to function after a few thousand rounds? I have compared it to an unfired case and they appear identical exept for the neck and the place where the bullet goes. They angle of the neck is sharp not rounded like on an unfired case. I have less than 500 rounds fired and the gun was unissued when I bought it. Next thing is (and it kinda relates to the first) I went to put a spent case in my gun and released the bolt and I couldn't get the case back out. I had to remove the reciever cover, take out the spring and ram the shell out using a cleaning rod. Is it normal for a spent case to behave in this manner? Just wondering if anyone elses spent cases are like this. Any thoughts or ideas would be greatly appreciated. Posted on Apr 19 1999, 07:12 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steel Cases vs. Brass by DaMan John, this is normal for a steel case! A brass case will fully expand to chamber dimensions, then contract slightly. A steel case, on the other hand, will retain almost the exact dimensions of the chamber when fired! If you rechamber a fired steel case, it will be difficult to extract! Sorry, I thought this was understood! This will not harm your firearm, but can be a pain in the butt to clear! Again my apologies! Very embarrassed! DaMan Posted on Apr 20 1999, 12:07 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No need to be..... by john embarrassed. I tried to chamber a steel case a couple of mouths ago. It came right out after I removed Mr. Squiggly and hit the case with the cleaning rod. Thanks for the info though. I did not know that about a steel case. I guess you learn something new everyday. Posted on Apr 20 1999, 04:35 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Achtung , Matt! by DaMan Do test I described with fired brass case not steel case! Posted on Apr 20 1999, 11:49 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks guys by Matt Thanks for helping me diagnose the problem with my SKS. It is definitely short recoil as the extractor is in excellent condition and working perfectly. If anyone knows how to fix this problem I would appreciate the help. Thanx Matt Posted on Apr 20 1999, 06:58 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Short Recoil by DaMan Matt, there are two possible causes of short recoil dirty gas sytem or something gunked up in the receiver thats slowing bolts movement to the rear. I'd bet you a dollar to a doughnut that your problem is being caused by a dirty gas sytem. To clean, remove the front handguard/gas cylinder tube. Remove the gas piston from the gas tube and clean with a good gun solvent. Clean the inside of the gas tube with a large patch on the cleaning rod. Use a fair amount of solvent and let parts soak a bit if there is heavy carbon buid up. Clean gas hole in barrel with an appropriate sized punch and pipe cleaner soaked in solvent. Check gas piston extension to make sure it moves freely by pressing in against spring pressure with a large punch. This is the spring loaded rod in the rear sight that transfers the kinetic energy to the bolt carrier. If everything checks out ok and is clean, dry the parts a lube lightly. This should cure your problem. Regards! DaMan Posted on Apr 20 1999, 09:33 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- which primers? what size? by jojo i drilled out some old sheels today to see just how hard reloading the surplus stuff would be. drilling out wasnt too bad but now i cant seem to figure out what primers to use. i thought i saw someone mention cci large rifle primers but these seem to be too loose:( any suggestions? thanks Posted on Apr 16 1999, 08:54 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- primers by J.A. You just wasted a lot of time drilling. NO boxer primer will fit berdan primed brass. boxer large rifle=.211 berdan " " = .217 The way I see it is you have two options. 1- get a peice of brass tubing .217 diameter with .003 wall thickness. cut it into bushings. ( have medi-vac chopper standing by a the shooting range) 2- throw them away, RCBS makes berdan depriming tool and berdan priming tools. www.huntingtons.com Ole Western Scrounger at www.snowcrest.net/oldwest/index2.html sells berdan primers. email me for copy of berdan primer spec and price sheet. I got it snail mail for Old Western Scrounger. Posted on Apr 17 1999, 11:29 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Safety Spring installment by Careful My Russian model came with out a spring in the safety, some of them did I understand. I bought what was listed as a safety spring from Centerfire systems, and though I’ve done engine swaps in cars, I can’t see an obvious way it is suppose to go in. My manual for the gun describes how to remove the trigger assembly and says “ further disassembly is neither advised or desired “, I suppose that’s for soldiers who have a armorer to turn the gun in to. Can anyone give detailed instructions on this? The thing looks like it could be a real bear to put back together if you take apart the wrong piece. Thanks in advance! Posted on Apr 16 1999, 09:00 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Same Question, and THANKS! no text by RUSSki . Posted on Apr 18 1999, 10:26 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AK MAG CONVERSION by brandon is there any way to make a standard sks take ak mags. i allready have 2 SKSs and really can't afford a sportster. Posted on Apr 16 1999, 05:40 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No. nt by RLW . Posted on Apr 16 1999, 08:13 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's not worth the effort... by Gary Really. An SKS-D can still be had for under $300 these days, though prices are rising. If you had access to a fully-equipped machine shop to do all the milling, welding and fabrication that is needed, then it might be feasible. There's just too much work involved - buy a few of the AK magazine "lookalikes" for your SKS, if you've got to have the AK magazine appearance. The metal "snout" that all of the 30-round (both fixed and detachable) magazines come with is a far easier engineering exercise than modifying the rifle. I once planned to do that conversion and sat down with a friend's detachable-mag SKS (an early version, full military trim) and used a micrometer to record each and every measurement. There were many differences, so I just popped in a Chinese 20-round fixed magazine and avoided pulling my hair out. Gary Posted on Apr 19 1999, 10:01 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS-- D and AK conversion by Faron I have both the vanilla Russian SKS and one of the souped up, fully blown SKS-D's w/ two 30 round AK Mags.....the SKS-D IMHO is rather "jicky" in both appearance and function. You have to hold the bolt open to get the mag in and when your done with the mag the bolt doesnt lock back - so all you hear is CLICK, no boom....IMHO the plain vanilla SKS w/ strippers is far more pratical.... Posted on Apr 21 1999, 07:09 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS-D quirks by Gary I agree, my SKS-D was purchased through Classic Arms a few years ago when they were abundant and prices were still low - I saw it and "had to have it". I'm sure everyone here has experienced that sort of impulse purchase, usually in the gun shop! While I like it and would never give it up, I do feel that it is a design compromise that was done in order to appeal to the U.S. market. A friend of mine has an old Chinese SKS that was made as a detachable-magazine model, but full-length barrel, bayonet, all the "pre-ban" features. I know it's pre-ban 'cause I first handled it over ten years ago. What I do NOT recall is whether the "old" AK-magazine version retained a bolt hold-open mechanism. I DO recall the parts fit of the older gun being superior to my SKS-D. Also, do any of you recall seeing a short-barrel variant of the SKS (before the "Paratrooper" name caught on) imported by Navy Arms? These guns had a modified bolt carrier with a push-button on top, near the root of the cocking handle. It was used to lock the bolt open, as for cleaning. I saw one at a gun show years ago and I think it was mentioned in an old SKS article in American Rifleman. BTW, I still have a photocopy of that article, if anyone wants a copy please e-mail me at gpz@msn.com. Gary Posted on Apr 23 1999, 10:01 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS-D ctxt by The Confessor Hmm, that's odd Faron. I have *never* held open the bolt carrier on my D when installing a mag and it works just fine. The problem lies in the bolt which must be milled to allow the magazine lips to pass. Your gun either was imported with the wrong bolt (not uncommon) or the bolt was replaced at some point in the past. I had a friend duplicate the correct bolt using a standard SKS bolt with the D bolt from mine as a template, so now I have a spare for an impossible to find item... As for the bolt not staying open when you're done, be MORE observant!! Posted on Apr 29 1999, 08:43 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Find more forums on Firearms Create your own forum at Netbabbler SKS Discussion Forum SKS Discussion Forum This board is dedicated to the discussion of the SKS rifle, feel free to ask all your questions here. I have decided to allow buying and selling of SKS (only)parts and accessories on this board. Send Comments and Questions to Survivor Survival Buy and Sell Forum General Gun Talk AK Discussion Forum -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- roll pins by randy Does anyone know where you can get solid roll pins to attach muzzle brake to front sight,the roll pin they give you is hollow and lasts for about 3 shots before it off. thanks,randy Posted on Apr 16 1999, 04:28 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- roll pin by brandon my muzzle break has lasted way over 100 rnds and is still VERY tight. i did have to drive it on with a hammer though Posted on Apr 16 1999, 05:39 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by jim i drilled and threded a hole in the top of the break and use a set screw Posted on Apr 16 1999, 04:34 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- flash-hider repair by rocket almost all hardware & auto parts stores have a roll-pin selection. the size listed is the DRILL size, the pin will fit tight in the hole for the size listed. for a good fit go up about 2 sizes (tight fit to your flash-hider). Install your flash-hider on gun and carefully redrill the hole. select the correct length roll-pin and tap it into place. the pins that you get from a good supplyer are VERY strong and will not break. Posted on Apr 17 1999, 09:14 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- new muzzle break! by hunter47 Although this won't solve your problem with the roll pin, it may help anyone who reads this that is thinking about buying a muzzle break. Choate Tool (who I think makes the best after market stocks for SKS or any gun for that matter) has a new muzzle break on the market that is very secure. It uses a long screw from the muzzle break itself that goes through the cleaning rod guide. It can be used with or without a bayonet. All you have to remove is the cleaning rod (who hasn't done this already?). Good luck. Posted on Apr 18 1999, 08:10 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Does anyone know about 7.62x39mm Federal ammo? by TxRebel I would imagine it is good ammo being from Federal, has anyone shot it? I would like to buy a 1000 rnds ($300) for long term storage. Anyone know someplace that sells this ammo for less than $300? Posted on Apr 15 1999, 03:48 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ammo price by guthrie TX, Go to Auctionarms.com you can get Russian HP for $95.00/1000. It shoots good in mine. guthrie Posted on Apr 15 1999, 04:37 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It seems like an OK price. ctxt by john I don't think you will find brass cased ammo much cheaper. The russian stuff is OK but I think it burns very dirty. I really really like the sellier and bellot ammo and you should be able to pick up 1000 rounds for half of what you would pay for the federal. My advice is to try several differant brands and see what you like the best. Shoot one brand one day, clean the rifle and shoot another brand another day and compare results. As you can see from swami's measurements the size the the bullet loaded might vary and this might affect accuracy. Try a couple brands and get what you think is best. Posted on Apr 16 1999, 08:45 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MISFIRES? by Anonymous Ok guys I'm getting alot of misfires. Gun is as clean as can be, and I've tried other types of ammo. I've looked for signs of wear on moving parts but I don't know. So before I go and buy a complete gas rehab kit from Tapco,(spare parts are probley good to have anyway)Anyone have any Ideas on what parts usually cause this? Posted on Apr 15 1999, 03:05 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This would not be a problem with gas system. by Spud Do you have a misfire or misfeed problem? If misfire then, you do not have any problems with gas system. The SKS is a simple rifle, thats why it’s so dependable. If your rifle is suffering from misfires then, look for a broken actuating spring on hammer or look at the firing pin. (Is it snapping on a live round?) Take carrier and bolt out. Look at the firing pin, does it move with ease. Is it boogard up. (Look at both sides.) Now move to the internal parts of the trigger group. I would look for “one side” of the actuating spring on hammer to be broken. If a mis-feed problem is the thing, make sure the gas port is clean ( small hole that allows the gas to escape from the barrel to the gas system.) this is often over looked. HTH tater. Posted on Apr 16 1999, 10:41 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hellfire,Tri-burst,etc.?? by Al Benecki I aam looking for input from users or former users of these aftermarket add-on devices.I am thinking about buying one for one of my SKS's for playing around with.Al Posted on Apr 14 1999, 10:36 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don't bother by Survivor You can do the same thing as a hellfire with out spending the money, all you have to do is grip the front of the stock below the barrel, hold the rifle out to your side, dont put the butt against anything, stick one finger in the trigger without holding the gun with the rest of your hand push back with your finger and the recouil takes care of the rest of it, you might have to play around to get the pressure right, but trust me it works, you can empty the mag quick and not hit a damn thing :-) Posted on Apr 14 1999, 11:25 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you buy one ,why not go all the way and have......... by J.A. SUCKER Tattooed on your forehead in large red letters. Whatever name they go by (triburst,hellfire,hellstorm)are all a ripoff. Send me a email and I will tell you how to get the same results for free. I can empty a 30 round mag in 3 seconds. Then take the $35 you were going to spend on it and join the NRA. Posted on Apr 15 1999, 05:50 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Actually there is a new one called the "Tac Trigger" and it's different because --> by Jeff You can shoulder the rifle tightly and aim it. I have not tried it yet, but it looks like an improvement on the others. I think it's worth a try. Posted on Apr 16 1999, 08:02 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanx by Al Benecki Thanx for the info.Think I'll just be happy with what I have,it shoots fast enough anyway.Al Posted on Apr 17 1999, 09:20 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Questions about recent Russian acquisition by Mike Today I bought a new Russian SKS (it has a couple little dings in the stock but the rest is beautiful) Something about it makes me wonder, however. The stock and the mag has a hashed out number and a new number to match the receiver, receiver cover, trigger number. The bolt has the number engraved possibly over where a previous number might have been ground off. It appears that maybe it was arsenal reconditioned. Is this the case? What is Tula (from the previous post) and can anyone give me any additional info on this one. Thanks Posted on Apr 14 1999, 10:15 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- All russian sks's are reconditioned by J.A. Friend/gun dealer ordered 80 russian rifles over a 3 month period. We went thru all of them and picked out the best ones. This was hard to do because they were all in such good shape. We noticed that the safety springs were missing. He called the wholesaler that he bought them from and was told that all were arsenal reconditioned. The safty springs were left out of guns when they were reworked. Posted on Apr 15 1999, 05:35 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not all!! by Ranger Reconditoned SKS's are indicated by the bolt carrier being painted black. Many Russians are this type but not all. Mine was not reconditioned and is in excellent condition as can be attested to by the person who bought it via this sight. Posted on Apr 22 1999, 10:12 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS Score! by Pierre Well last weekend i missed out on a sks at $275.00 at a gun show, last sunday at a shooting range saw a small card advertising sks for sale. I bought one from this nice gentleman for $225.00 it is a 1951 Tula russian with laminated stock in unfired condition! and i got some accessories to boot but i can't figure out how to use the sling? can anybody help me? TIA Pierre Posted on Apr 14 1999, 09:25 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Which sling is it? by Dug Can you describe the sling? There are generally 2 types, the one with the metal hook and the one with the leather tabs. The leather tabs version is attached to the barrel where the gas tube connects and back under the rear of the stock. Just slide the tabs through the swivel things and fold over and push the little aluminum "button" into the slot in the leather. The other one you have to unbuckle the web sling at the loop end and feed it through the rear swivel, then re-buckle. The metal hook clamps to the hook up by the barrel. I hope this helps, sounds like to scored on this nice Russian version. Posted on Apr 15 1999, 09:35 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GREAT Buy, and RE: Slings... by RUSSki In addition to the other response on sling types, I just had a sling that came with a Chinese SKS... the sling had "springs" which had to be threaded across the mounting points on the rifle, much like routing keys onto a keyring. Once on, the sling was "okay", but the springs would sometimes start to unthread off of the mounting-points. I just bought a Super Sling II Plus by The Outdoor Connection sold at WalMart. Cost about $14. They come in quite a few colors and textures. I got a great-looking brown woodland camo one in a softish nylon webbing that really looks good with my Russian SKS. Only catch is that the "Uncle Mike" type mounts don't wook well with the rifle mounts. The solution might be to add a small ring between the rifle and the existing sling-mounts. Posted on Apr 18 1999, 10:46 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Water/ammonia mix? by Pete What's this about a water and ammonia mix? I figure it's one of two things. Ether you use it to clean a gun after firing corrosive ammo, or it's a salad dressing from the Lucrezia Borgia cookbook. Could someone enlighten me on this? Posted on Apr 14 1999, 07:09 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ammonia for corrosive cleaning by TheOG I use a simple 50/50 mix of ammonia and water to clean after using corrosive ammunition. The ammonia helps to neutralize the corrosive salts and the water simply to flush it out. This MAY not be relevant with a lot of 7.62x39, however, my S.O.P. is to 'when in doubt, clean as corrosive.' All you have to do is run a couple wet patches of the ammonia/water solution through the bore and chamber first. Then run dry patches to get rid of the water. Then you clean and oil as normal. It probably adds 2minutes max to your cleaning time, but it assure you that you WILL NOT be faced with internal corrosion because you left corrosive salts in the barrel and chamber. There is a whole discussion of this on my website http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/4653 and go to the Firearms FAQ section. kirbyTheOG Posted on Apr 14 1999, 08:06 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- water/ammonia and other voodoo mixes by J.A. Don't use it! it is messy and stinks! Use CLP it will take care of corrosive ammo residue and preserve your gun. C=cleaner kicks corrosive residue's butt. L=lubacant has oil and teflon in it. P=preservative put on your gun inside and out and it will not rust, I have guns in my safe that haven't a spot of rust after 4 years sitting in safe. Every 4 years I relube whether they need it of not. Most of the time not. This is what the U.S. military uses on rifles to artilery. Posted on Apr 14 1999, 08:30 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Breakfree CLP by blipblip I've used Breakfree CLP on my firearms since 1980. [Also have a Goldenrod (produces heat and dehumidifies) in my vault.] None of my guns have a speck of rust or other corrosion on them. CLP is best all-purpose gun treatment I've found. Useful as cleaner, lubricant, preservative [and penetrant, anti-corrosive, etc.] 3 years ago I found 2 pints of mil spec CLP at a perpetual flea market--gentiled the guy down to $1 for the whole quart. Great stuff!!! The ammonia/H20 treatment does have merit--besides neutralizing acid salts in the gun it removes copper deposits left by the bullet in the bore. Posted on Apr 14 1999, 09:24 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Give Tetra Gun a try and you will never go back! by Steve S. I used to use Break Free for 10 years myself. Unitil I tried Tetra Gun products. Read the brochure first and check it out yourself. They make grease,oil,cleaner and bore solvent. I even use it with my Moly barrels. Posted on Apr 15 1999, 03:27 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You are correct by Steve S. Your are right about the military using it for all their small arms and big guns. I was stationed on the USS Missouri and they used it on the big 16" guns. I used it for years and now I use Tetra Gun products. It contains particles hundred times smaller than teflon, to get into the pores of the metal. Check it out! Break Free would be my second choice. Posted on Apr 15 1999, 03:34 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HEY, SWAMI by john Sorry, I didn't get back faster but I have been away from my computer and finally remembered your post saying you would measure the bullets. The sks was designed to shoot a .311 bullet. It isn't unsafe to use bullets smaller, but the accuracy might not be as good. I personally have changed ammo to sellier and bellot. This is great stuff! It not only is faster than the russian hollow points, according to the CTD web site, but it seems to burn a lot cleaner. It also (according to S&B web site) uses .311 bullets. But more importantly shoots better in my gun. It is slightly more expensive, but you get what you pay for. I have still have some russian stuff for lets see how fast I can empty the magazine shooting, but for accuracy shooting, and cleaning the gun afterwards, I like the S&B stuff. The best price I could find is at ammodeal.com. If you don't mind, and you have some sellier and bellot around where you live, I would be interested in what you micrometer says the bullet diameter of the sellier and bellot bullet is. Posted on Apr 14 1999, 06:34 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- OK John! I had the micrometer zeroed and..... by swami re-measured, more carefully this time. The soft point is .3104. The HP is .3088; the FMJ is .3083. I don't have any S&B around. I have considered buying some. Did you get yours recently? Were there any "last batch" alerts, like Cheaper Than Dirt has on its Russian stuff? I like the sound of the S&B. I'll try some! Posted on Apr 15 1999, 07:13 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CTD dosen't say last batch..... by john Then again they also didn't raise the price 10 bucks. The Russian stuff was going for 99 a case in Feb. Now it is 109. The S&B stuff has remained the same. It comes in a 45 box case for 2.69 a box. Other wise it is 2.97 for one. I think it is still 2.89 for 5 or more. Go to http://www.sellier-bellot.cz/centfire/index.htm and go down to the 7.62 X 39. What do you think .311 SB means? I think .311 means the bullet diameter but what about the SB? Any thoughts? Posted on Apr 15 1999, 08:23 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes they do! Look at the part of their site..... by swami that shows quantity (case) prices. There you'll find a photo of a case with a paragraph or two below it. They say "last shipment to be imported". Now as to whether they mean that this just applies to CTD or to all importers is not clear. Check it out! Anyway, you are correct in that they are still asking the same old price. That doesn't make much sense to me, if the stuff is running out! And I think going to the S&B is the wise choice anyway. With the situation as it is in Yugoslavia, I'm not surprised if Russian imports are being delayed or even halted. Posted on Apr 16 1999, 01:58 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I meant S&B didn't say last batch imported..... by john Try some S&B and let me know what you think of it. Posted on Apr 16 1999, 08:36 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Trigger lock-up? by hunter47 Hey guys, I've got a problem here I need help with. I just bought a new SKS (Norinco) this weekend, and am having a little trouble with it. I shot about 40 rounds with it and experienced a trigger lock up, for lack of a better phrase. I even experience this when the gun is unloaded. Basically, when I cock the trigger and release the slide, every once and a while the trigger acts as if the safety were on. The only way to corrrect the problem is to pull the slide back again. This is ok when it is not loaded, but when it is loaded, I have to eject a round to get the trigger to function again. Anybody else experienced this problem? My guess is that I just need to file something down...probably just a piece that wasn't machined very well (I'm starting to sound like a 1911 owner), but in any case, I'd love some input. Any comments would be helpful. Thanks. Posted on Apr 13 1999, 08:39 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm reaching here but..... by john I really do not know a lot about the operation of the trigger group but... It might be a problem with the disconnector (the pointy thing that sticks up out of the trigger group). I have my sks in storage right now so I can't check on this but if I remember right one time I took the trigger group out and was decocking it and I pushed the disconnector down far enough to make the trigger lock up when I tryed to pull it eventhough the safety was off. I am only suggesting this because you said it would work if you worked the bolt. When the bolt carrier goes forward it carries the bolt and when it goes all the way forward it pushes the bolt against the disconnector. Maybe the bolt or the bolt carrier, or the disconnector, isn't working right or maybe I am wrong and it is something else. I would take it to a gunsmith before I would file on anything and see what he thinks. Posted on Apr 14 1999, 06:02 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey 47, are you sure that the hammer isn't failing to stay cocked.. by swami thereby allowing it to fall on the freshly chambered round. Of course, this should result in a doubling or even full auto firing of the gun. Also it would be somewhat of a different feel on the trigger than an engaged safety would produce. I think John's hypothesis is more than likely the one to pursue. But don't rule out a faulty sear. I had to replace one once. Good Luck! Posted on Apr 15 1999, 10:27 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- reloading questions by coyote figured I'd ask the experts: What's a safe/decent load for 123 gr. fmj rounds? I've heard very conflicting opinions on whether or not MILITARY primers are required and/or recommended for the SKS. your considered opinions would be appreciated. Thanks, coyote. Posted on Apr 13 1999, 05:32 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Try these places by john Most gun stores or powder companies will provide you with a good starting load. They should have free pamphlets for you to take. (I don't reload) Just keep trying differant things until you find a load that works best. Posted on Apr 14 1999, 06:17 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- try this..... by J.A. www.reloadammo.com/ I have been reloading for SKS's since 1987. I have found that WC-680(Accurate Arms co. AA-1680) is the best powder. It is U.S. military surplus powder made at Olin plant in St.Marks,Fl. It was developed for the 7.62x39mm. Lake City ammo plant loaded this powder in 7.62x39mm ammo. The only problem I've had has been the use of Remington primers. I had several slam fires and switched to Winchester and CCI. This stopped the slam fires. CCI military primers would be the best to use because the SKS firing pin has no spring. To stop the firing pin from hitting the primer when a round is chambered. Posted on Apr 14 1999, 08:18 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- my loads... by mike elmer I havent been loading for the 7.62x39 since 1987, but i have worked up a pretty good load using hornady 123 gr. .310 diam. bullets fmj., winchester brass, fed. match large rifle primers, and reloder 7 powder that gives me cronographed velocities of 2350-2370 fps. along with very good accuracy out to 300 yds using the stock sights. I consider very good accuracy to be a 10 shot group at 300 yds that i can cover with my out-spread hand... approx. 7 in diameter. its worth a try. Posted on Apr 18 1999, 03:43 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Auction Arms Down AGAIN. Good Source for SKSs... by SKS Junkie ... when it's working. AND when it isn't SLOOOOOOW as all get-out. Posted on Apr 13 1999, 04:42 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Auction Arms by Survivor It must have been down for maintenance or smething, I have been selling some SKS and AK stuff on there, right now I have some SKS mags and Bandoleers on there, go check it out :-) Posted on Apr 14 1999, 10:57 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- bandoleer by guthrie Survivor, I ordered one of your bandoleers, I hope it gets here in the next couple of days. Good luck with the rest of your goods. guthrie Posted on Apr 14 1999, 02:49 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- bandoleer(guthrie) by Survivor Just got your MO and am sending your bandoleer out in the morning :-) Posted on Apr 14 1999, 11:15 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Survivor by guthrie Bandoleer came today, looks good, Tahnks, guthrie Posted on Apr 19 1999, 02:00 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Standard SKS & Paratroop by Bizarro What is the general difference between the standard SKS and the "paratroop" model besides length of barrel? One more desirable than other? Might accuracy suffer from the shorter barrel? Might the paratroop model be more handy because of size? I would like some input into this, TIA. Posted on Apr 13 1999, 12:44 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paratrooper/Sporter is shorter by Texas Lawman My SKS-D (Sporter/Paratrooper) has a barrel ~4" shorter than my SKS rifle. The SKS-D accepts standard AK-47 magazines of up to 40 rounds--it will not accept the AK drum mags. The bayonet lug has been removed and it has a thumbhole stock. My unfired SKS rifle has a spike bayonet and a folding fiberglass stock (legal--bought it before 922r regulation hit us in Nov. '90). Posted on Apr 13 1999, 12:59 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RE: Accuracy by Texas Lawman Forgot to mention I qualify with the SKS-D for my sheriff's dept. annually. We shoot ten rounds at human silhouette targets at 50 & 100 yds, open sights, standing position. Don't have any trouble shooting 85-95%. Posted on Apr 13 1999, 01:03 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- paratroopers by guthrie Go to the bottom of this page and you can access 12 previous pages of posts, lots of discussion on troopers. My personal opinion is they took a good proven gun and cut 4 in. off of it, not to improve performance but to make it more apealing to the US market. I like the standard SKS. guthrie Posted on Apr 13 1999, 02:50 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I concur w/ Guthrie by Faron I have a Russian and a Norinco Paratrooper SKS-D - I dislike the fit and finish of the paratrooper and the fact that the bolt wont lock.....I find the 30 round mags clumsy and I hate having to manhandle the thing to get the clips in....I favor the Russian in it's original configuration....if you use strippers it loads fast anyway....I will admit that both shoot equally well....I just like the feel of the Russian better and like the fact that it is a bit more collectable....both seem on par accuracy wise at 100 yards w/ open sights....it's hard for me to tell though - I'm not a great shot.... Posted on Apr 13 1999, 04:55 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- all three by Survivor I have a Carbine, paratrooper and a SKS-d, I like them all, the 'trooper is easier handling than the carbine, the D is the same length as the trooper, accuracy is about the same between all three, let face it, they're not tack drivers, but they do the job, and inexpensively at that :-) Posted on Apr 13 1999, 11:07 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by Bizarro Hmmm, I was not aware there were 3 versions of the SKS. I thought there was only the carbine (standard) and the so-called Paratrooper. May I assume there is or was not a genuine paratrooper configuration SKS in China's or any one else's army? Anyway, have seen 'troopers advertised so how does one know if this is the 'D' version or otherwise? TIA... Posted on Apr 14 1999, 05:21 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ?? SKS-D = Paratrooper ?? by blipblip I'm not an expert, but my understanding is that the SKS Sporter = SKS-D = Paratrooper (the Chinese cut off 4" of barrel, modified it to accept AK magazines, put on a thumbhole stock, and shipped bazillions of them to the USA cause they know we would buy them). Mine says SKS Sporter and was made by Norinco in 92. I believe the importer ground off the bayonet lug. Posted on Apr 14 1999, 09:10 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paratrooper vs. SKS-D by Survivor If you scroll down through the past messages you will see where this has bee discussed, the D takes AK mags while the paratrooper is just a shortened version of the carbine.there are lots of paratroopers around but not quite so many D's so far as I have been able to determine and the D's are a bit more expensive. Posted on Apr 14 1999, 11:32 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- D'oh!! A Good One Got Away :-( by Gary My luck could use some improvement. Saturday, I stopped at a hardware store for some weekend home improvement goodies. This store has been selling handguns and ammo for two years, but as I entered I glanced over and saw a rack with rifles and shotguns behind the counter. I quickly made my purchase and headed to the gun department to waste some time. There on the rack, to my stunned disbelief, was a K-Sports SKS, in it's parkerized, green-stocked splendor. "Uh, could I have a look at the SKS?" I asked, trying to appear nonchalant. "Sure" says the guy behind the counter. "But you can only look, it's already SOLD." Damndamndamndamn! To rub salt in the wound, it was tagged at only $225.00, a price that would have had me reaching for the VISA card for sure. It appeared to be unfired and had no wear on the surfaces. I sure hope it ends up with someone who'll appreciate it. Gary Posted on Apr 12 1999, 10:03 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- D'oh D'oh ctxt by john I email sacioninc.com about the pinned barrels. They said that they were out. Emailed them back about when they expect to have more and they said not for a long time. Posted on Apr 13 1999, 04:54 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I feel your pain man...ntxt by Capt. Daves ..... Posted on Apr 13 1999, 08:36 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- hot barrel by brandon is it possible to burn up the barrel of a sks? i shot mine about 80 times yesterday and the barrel and the reciever started smoking. is this normal ? Posted on Apr 11 1999, 03:59 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don't worry about it by CJ You'll never get it hot enough to do damage to the metal. Actually my Russian SKS shoots better with a hot barrel. The groups actually closed up a little at 100 yards after about 20 rounds. What was probably smoking was some oil or cosmoline still on the inside of the stock. Make sure you take the whole rifle apart, including removing the stock, and clean all the gunk off. Posted on Apr 11 1999, 07:07 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think you can warp your barrel by Faron I had the same question on another forum and was told that if you continue to fire as fast as you can for an extended period of time, you can warp you barrel. I let mine cool down some after several bursts..... Posted on Apr 13 1999, 03:11 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- USAmag by Careful I recently read a discussion thread warning against purchase of magazines from USAmag due to poor quality, but I believe the talk was mainly about pistol mags. Any one had any experience with this companies SKS detachable magazines? Posted on Apr 11 1999, 01:31 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- USA Mags by Survivor I have never had a problem with USA mags in an SKS, they always worked good for me. Posted on Apr 11 1999, 02:15 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- usa mag by brandon i have 4 of them. they have never "jammed" and i have had no problems whatsoever Posted on Apr 11 1999, 03:55 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- re: U.S.A. mags.... by swami I have had quite a few of these USA mags over the years. For the most part, they have worked very nicely. I've seen one or two that friends had that failed to engage the bolt-stop mechanism after the mag was emptied. The only problem I have had resulted from the mag spring twisting out of place under the follower on one that I have now. I was able to remedy this by drilling a tiny hole in the little half-circle projection located on the under side of the follower, then inserting the end of the spring in the hole. Seems there were several different sub-contractors that made mags for USA. Therefore, some differences in individual mags exist. Good Luck! Posted on Apr 11 1999, 07:21 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- USA Mags by breezzly oh I had trouble with cycling rounds when it was near empty, using hollow points. the tip of the round would catch on the edge of the chamber. It was like the tip didn't come up enough or the spring was too weak but it was a new mag. Didn't try fmj's. Posted on Apr 12 1999, 10:12 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Worked fine, even with full auto by Ben D. I had a friend who fired his with full auto with no problem Posted on Apr 13 1999, 01:20 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I bought a USA mag and was disapointed see text by Jeff I was surprised at how sloppily it was made - it seemed like it still needed some work, like it wasn't done yet. To me it should be made like an AK mag, where the metal is put together in a tight seam. This mag is spot welded and it looks like it could use a few more spot welds because in between them, the metal is lifted up. Maybe I could run a TIG bead along it. Has that ever been done? I havn't tried it to see if it functions but I am assuming that it will work. I am wondering if anyone has seen the ProMag SKS mag. I have seen their pistol mags and they seem well made. Posted on Apr 14 1999, 08:31 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey Jeff, I've had 3 ProMags, and strangely enough..... by swami the ProMag 30-rounders fit the description you gave of the USA's! My experience has been that the USA's were much better finished, and as I stated before, they (USA's) work well for the most part. I returned the ProMags to Tapco because they were welded together crooked (2 of 3), they "jammed" the bolt open with the follower when the mag was empty (i.e., they did not engage the bolt-stop mechanism like the USA's do), they didn't feed the first round in but let it jam below the breech face, etc. Read my "remedy" for the problem I had with one of my USA's. And Good Luck! Posted on Apr 15 1999, 10:14 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Swami - thanks for the info - I think I'll try the Zytel mags. notext by Jeff notext Posted on Apr 16 1999, 08:18 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good SKS WOOD stocks? by Al Benecki AAnybody know a source for good used/new hardwood stock?I don't consider the China based hardwood stocks of descent quality.N.European or US made wallnut or maple OK.I don't like the plastic,fiberglass,rubber stoaks.Thanx Al Posted on Apr 10 1999, 10:46 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by Ron Al, try Sarco (www.sarcoinc.com) they have the fiberglass, original wood and a specified hardwood, the hardwood stocks run about twice the price of the other two. Posted on Apr 11 1999, 07:30 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I go for cheap... by Gumbo I had to disasemble the SKS to clean off the cosmoline, so I took a wire brush to the soft wood on the original stock, took it down to the harder surface, after many coats of a deep mahogany red stain I polyurethaned the entire stock - inside & out. very nice... looks great & VERY smooth to handle. I believe t to be sealed against miosture as well as it can be. Time will tell, HUH? Good luck to us All Gumbo :) Posted on Apr 12 1999, 09:46 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey Gumbo...Did you use gloss or satin finish? by Doc Gumbo, I'm fixing to do the same. Did you use a gloss or satin finish? How many coats? Posted on Apr 12 1999, 06:09 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gloss... by Gumbo the process took several days... sanding each coat with fine and extra fine paper. 7 or 8 coats... i think it is sealed well. i want to do another SKS in deep Emeraled Green as a kid we did a 50 cal powder gun... real pretty. When I did the SKS i just wanted to seal the stock completely. All knooks and crannies. Good Luck to us All Gumbo :) Posted on Apr 13 1999, 06:41 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Be careful! by Mike Be cautious around the end of the stock. I redid my wife's and I had to take off so much material that the butt plate ended up just a hair larger than the eventual end of the gun. Other than that, however, it ended up great. I did 5 coats of poly gloss and 2 final coals of acrylic gloss (gives a harder surface coat). Posted on Apr 14 1999, 10:26 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good Point Mike. ntx by Gumbo . Posted on Apr 15 1999, 06:37 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bad Mag by Pete I bought a new 10 round magazine for my Chinese SKS, and what a disappointment. It doesn't fit properly and wont lock in. Also the lug that brings up the bolt stop when the last round is fired is missing. Can anyone recommend a reliable source for good quality 5 or 10 round mags? Posted on Apr 09 1999, 08:02 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Try these...ctxt by hunter47 Pete, Get a copy of shotgun news. Inside you'll find ads for Tapco, Classic Arms, Burns Bros, and others. I've dealt with a couple and they have always provided quality products. Tapco and Classic Arms are also on the net. Good Luck. Posted on Apr 09 1999, 08:56 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks hunter47...ctxt by Pete I'll go and get a copy. Thanks Posted on Apr 10 1999, 10:29 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is This Legal? by Y2K2 I see chinese SKS's for sale at pawn shops in my area and some of them have the bayonet. I thought the chinese SKS could not have this. What is the deal? Are the pawn shops breaking the law by selling SKS's with a bayonet? Posted on Apr 09 1999, 03:10 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mabye yes, mabye no. by Capt. Daves It is legal to put a bayonet on a pre ban Chinese SKS. However, If you'll take a gander down through the posts for about the past week or so you can see how difficult it is to tell a pre from a post ban SKS. Best advice, as given by John (I think), is to treat all Chinese SKS's as if they are post ban. BTW-If you can prove that the SKS is a pre ban the only advantage is the privlage of a leagally mounted bayonet. For this privlage you'll fork out an extra $100.00 to $150.00. But if you don't have one yet, get one. There fun!!! Capt. Posted on Apr 09 1999, 03:25 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HOPE THIS HELPS. by john OK, stay with me here. And once again this is the way I understand the law and what it means to the best of my ability. Don't take my word as the law. If the guns are like that and the dealer made them like that after Nov. 90 he is breaking the law, not you. You might lose the gun if the stuff ever hits the fan. That however really isn't an issue. No one can tell just by looking at an sks if it is pre or post 922(r). Date of import and assembly is what matters. Now, going by what is at sksman.com and I believe what he says, because I can find nothing to the contrary. Even if you get this gun, in order for it to have a detachable mag it would have to have that done to it before 922(r). Now, once again this really only becomes a major issue if you are going to do something illegal with the gun or smuggle drugs and the police raid your home or something to that extent. Then they would check the serial number and find out what they could about the weapon. I can't make any sense of this part because how is someone going to prove when something was done to the gun, unless you tell them? Then again the whole law dosen't make any real sense either. If you want to play it safe, because I really can't give you a completely right answer on the detachable mag(and I know you didn't ask but wanted to inform you) I can tell you this: To be safe DON'T ALTER THE GUN IN ANYWAY AFTER YOU BUY IT. Posted on Apr 13 1999, 05:22 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chewed up brass problem by Ben Dover When I shoot my SKS the brass gets chewed up by the extractor. Should I polish extractor and bolt face to correct this? Any suggestions will help, thanks... Posted on Apr 09 1999, 12:16 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Whoa,Dude by Capt. Daves I couldn't help you much with your brass problem, But I could suggest a few better net names. Capt. Posted on Apr 09 1999, 03:09 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- recoil buffers by bugchaser Hi folks! Anybody tried the recoil buffer by Buffer technologies for SKS. Also I would like to buy a SKS-D or trade with it my NORINCO post-ban SKS by KSI Pomona, CA with 10-round ixed mag, cleaning kit, oil can, sling and bandolier with 10 pockets with latch (will accomodate 200 rounds in stripper clips). Thanks. Posted on Apr 09 1999, 12:13 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Recoil Buffer! by Bill Woods That is one of the best things you could do for your SKS! I put one in mine and it gives the rifle a much smoother feel. I'm sure it does a lot of good things for the SKS. It's real easy to install too. Buy it! Posted on Apr 09 1999, 11:43 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Buffers by Careful I've seen pictures of these things in catalogs. They're just a hunk of spongy plastic right? Couldn't you just carve one out of a thick eraser and save $10 plus shipping? Posted on Apr 09 1999, 01:28 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- recoil buffers by randy buffers are made of a tough plastic ,it seems to take the noise from the bolt spring away,and its to save wearon your gun. Posted on Apr 09 1999, 06:47 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Buffers by brian I like em. they work for me. I have one in bolth my sks's and 10/22. I think there worth $10 bucks. I guess u could spend time cutting up erasers and fitting them to your gun, but I'd just spend the money if your interested. Posted on Apr 10 1999, 06:22 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- buffers by Careful Thanks for your input Brian. What kind of differance do they make while shooting? Posted on Apr 11 1999, 11:51 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Buffers by BRIAN They cut recoil slightly, not to much to get excited about. But I honestly belive that they are easier on the gun. Now granted Ive never wore out a sks but I like to keep them in tip top shape. It does stop that metal to metal clanking noise from the reciver. I think there great but they are not a MUST have. So i dont think id spend my last 10 dollars on one, but if u got the money... I guess time will tell if they help to keep a sks in prime shape. Posted on Apr 11 1999, 06:45 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'd have to agree w/ Brian by john I really can't tell any differance in recoil, but there is a noticable differance in the metal clank the gun makes. I think of like this: For ten bucks it sure isn't going to hurt anything. Posted on Apr 12 1999, 04:40 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS sight replacement by 10/22 Junkie Does anyone know the quality of the willams peep sight replacement for the sks and will the original sight elevation adjustment still be used. What are the basic procedures to replace the sight and how complex is the process. Posted on Apr 08 1999, 11:53 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have 2. by Al Benecki The replacement sight completly replaces the main sight leaf and elevation bar.To install you push down HARD on the front of the sight and wiggile it backward at the same time.You leave the flat bladed sight spring in place.Install a roll pin into the holes that the original sight pivoted on for the new sight.Then push on new sight.I made it sound harder than it is,its simple and the sights are great,just make sure to locktite or nailpolish there windage and elevation screws in place after you zeroed in.Al Posted on Apr 09 1999, 09:26 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What about front sight? by Gary I'm guessing that you adjust the front sight to center the post before zeroing with the new Williams sight, correct? Those off-center front sights have always bugged me. If the Williams sight has enough windage and elevation adjustment, I'll give one a try. Gary Posted on Apr 14 1999, 03:37 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You can try. by Al Benecki Your front sight has to be in the ballpark.The Willams sight will give you about 20" windage adjustment at 50 yards.This is my buddy and mine experence with 4 sights between us.It will depend on the way you get sight picture everyone is different.But what does a 50 year old retired military man know anyway? Posted on Apr 20 1999, 11:25 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS Countries of manufacture by Survivor OK guys, I need a list of all the countries that made SKS's, please list your sources too. Thanks guys, Survivor Posted on Apr 08 1999, 06:45 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS Countries by Tom O According to "THE SKS CARBINE" by Steve Kehana and Joe Poyer the SKS was produced by the following countries. The Soviet Union The German Democratic Rebublic People's Republic of China North Vietnam North Korea Yugoslavia Posted on Apr 08 1999, 07:23 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chinese Military SKS for sale by Marcus For sale: Chinese military SKS, Viet Nam era production, overall good condition, needs rear sight leaf spring installed and front sight seat and post (available from SKSMan for $5). Excellent chrome lined bore,spike bayonet. Asking $150 + shipping. If interested contact Marcus at: vonweigert@earthlink.net Posted on Apr 08 1999, 10:46 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Trade: SKS strippers for Garand clips by CJ I'm sure most of you must have plenty of SKS stripper clips, but in case you don't I have 50 that I'd like to trade for 50 Garand clips. The strippers are new, in the wrap, and are grey metal with no rust. The stamp on the back of each clip is a 6/9. Let me know if you are interested. Posted on Apr 07 1999, 10:00 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS-D Thumbhole stock, price by Survivor Anyone see any of these for sale anywhere? Whats the going rate for them? Thanks in advance Posted on Apr 07 1999, 05:57 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Survivor, ctxt. by hunter47 Survivor, I'm going to a pretty large gun show this weekend. There are usually a large number of SKS products. I'll be sure and keep my eye out for you to see what they are going for out here. Hunter Posted on Apr 07 1999, 06:47 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by Mike I paid 45 for mine but it is in Alaska and pickins are kinda slim at times. I think I probably paid too much but, unlike the guys who posted a couple days ago, I really like the way they look and feel. Posted on Apr 07 1999, 09:34 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- price by RC one went for $287 on auctionarms this week! Posted on Apr 07 1999, 11:19 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I saw one for $225 at a local pawn shop..... by swami I didn't inspect it, but as I recall it was in reasonably good condition. Posted on Apr 08 1999, 06:28 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Which are you asking about, the stock or the rifle with stock? by Gary ntxt Posted on Apr 09 1999, 08:13 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- the whole gun (notxt) by Survivor .... Posted on Apr 09 1999, 02:23 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Need info on SKS by Mosin Guy I need some info on a SKS rifle I have,serial #DF 21c 000689 made in China by Norinco CSI ONT CA the serial number is stamped in to the left side of stock,rear sling swivel attached to the bottom of stock any information would be appreciated Posted on Apr 07 1999, 11:42 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- need help choosing new purchase by Brian Are SKS-D parts compatable with other sks parts. I'm looking for a new purchase. Something that takes 7.62x39 and ak mags. I already have a couple sks's (and parts) and I love them. Whats the better choice a sks-d or spend a little more for a ak type gun. Or should I just forget about the ak mags and get a mini-thirty. I dont really want to go over $500. This is to big of a choice to make alone. any input is appreciated. Posted on Apr 07 1999, 03:32 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- new purchase by brandon this day and age a sks-d and a mac-90(ak 47) cost about the same. i like the sks better than a ak myself. the ak just looks to cheap. some of the new sks-d rifles come with a five round magazines with a special notch cut into the magazine and a corresponding bump (for lack of a better word) beside of the mag. release. this is supose to prevent the use of high capasity mags. if you buy this type, just file down the bump. Posted on Apr 07 1999, 06:58 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS-D for Sale by The Confessor Hey Brian, I am looking to sell an SKS-D in the very near future. I bought it new, it shoots great (about 200 rounds through it) and I'm only selling to cover another purchase I made (since I already own three other SKS's this was the choice to sell). I'm trying to avoid the auction route to sell to someone who REALLY appreceates the SKS design, I was going to post in the next week or so. just thought I'd let you know... Posted on Apr 07 1999, 08:41 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How to tell Age of Chinese SKS's by Hammer I have two Norinco SKS's that I bought in 1991. One was from a pawn shop and is definetely older than the one I bought new fron a Chain Department Store. Both have different "triangle" characters and the older one looks like it's milled and the newer one looks stamped. The older one was imported by JPE? in CA. and it's serial number has a 21 near the triangle and then about a half inch away is the six digit number 089XXX. The newer one was imported by Poly in CA. and has the eight digit serial number 25001XXX with all eight numbers together. How can I tell if they are pre-89 guns? Both had bayonets (now removed), slings, cleaning rods, and green canvas ammo pouches and the older one had a detachable 30 rd steel mag, which I have replaced with a 10rd mag. I'd like to use the 30 rd mag that came with the older gun but I want to be legal. Help? Posted on Apr 06 1999, 02:20 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You are suffering from a misconception.... by RLW ....It does NOT make any difference how old the gun is. What matters is when it was IMPORTED. The importer or Customs should have that info, lots of luck in getting it. I would not trust a 'preban' dated bill of sale as proof of preban status, unless I knew and trusted the seller. It is too easy to forge a bill of sale and most sellers of 'preban' SKSs want a hefty premium for them. I have several chinese SKSs made in the '50s & 60s and I treat them all as post ban. I do not think it is practical to try to hunt down the import date. Posted on Apr 06 1999, 06:32 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- They're Pre-ban if they're NOT stamped "Sporter" by Ms Obvious If the U.S. Government passes laws, they gotta abide by 'em, and we outta make 'em. No rifle was let into the country, after November 1990 without the word "Sporter" stamped onto the left side of the receiver. No "Sporter," no restrictions. Posted on Apr 07 1999, 08:09 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- OK Ms Obvious by Capt. Daves I have an SKS that I purchased in '95. I know it's a post ban because the bao lugs are milled off. However for the life of me I can't find the word "sporter" anywhare on the weapon. Where exactly is it stamped. Capt. Posted on Apr 07 1999, 10:29 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That is just nonsense....... by RLW ....there was no requirement for them to be stamped 'sporter' and most of them were not. It is impossible to look at an SKS and determine that it is preban. Posted on Apr 07 1999, 01:04 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- With All Due Respect by Ms Obvious Mr RLW, there was a requirement to stamp each and ever postban AKS rifle from China "SPORTER" and you will find this English word on the left side of each AKS/SKS rifle imported after November 1990. Earlier on this bulletin board mention was made of a carbine so stamped, "SPORTER," imported by B-West, Tucson, Arizona. This was the importer's responsibility to mark. It was the BATF's responsibility to issue licenses to compliant importers. It was the U.S. Custom's responsibility to check at the dock. Should you choose to bear an end user's responsibility, I respectfully submit you accept the good faith of these components of the U.S. Department of the Treasury as they discharged there's. Is it ignorant to suggest that pre-ban AKS rifles and pre-ban SKS rifles can be customized by owners, and post-ban guns may not, under applicable sections of Title 18 United States Code. Posted on Apr 07 1999, 09:21 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stamped sporter? by Survivor well I guess that makes my thumbhole Maadi a pre ban then, and none of my SKS's say sporter on them, My Post ban AR-15 doesn't say sporter on it, but the serial number plainly shows that it is in fact a post ban gun, while I wish it was that simple to tell if it was pre or post, sad to say it's not..... Posted on Apr 08 1999, 03:15 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ditto by Capt. Daves As with Survivor, Not a single SKS I own has the is stamped "sporter". I've even removed the stock to check out that way, no stamp. Back at cha Ms Obvious. If this stamp is supposed to distinguish a pre from a post ban rifle, Shouldn't it be a little more, Uh, "OBVIOUS". Capt. Posted on Apr 08 1999, 06:42 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No offense, but.... by hunter47 Ms Obvious is either trying to incite some colorful commentary or is extremely ingnorant and naive. In either case, you are crazy if you think that this kind of generalization of gun laws exists. Not even our friends at BATF have such an easy way of distinguishing between post-ban and pre-ban rifles. I would imagine that most of the rifles for sale today are post-ban yet I rarely see any with the word sporter stamped on it. Your best bet...treat all chinese made SKS as post-ban. Better safe than sorry! Posted on Apr 07 1999, 07:01 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Unless u live in Kalifornia by gunrat In Kalifornia you definetly can't have SKS's with removable clips as in the D-model which accepts "AK" mags.And you are not to have a bayonet on any chinese. Posted on Apr 15 1999, 12:31 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Honest opinion - Do you think SKS prices will fall a lot after Y2K? by Nick I am sure the prices will come down some after the Y2K dud, but how much? Obviously not back to $80 a rifle, but what do you think? Should I fork out the $190 now or wait?? Thanks. Posted on Apr 06 1999, 11:49 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Honest Opinion by Capt. Daves After the Y2K mania prices of a lot of things, including SKS's, should drop. How far is anyones guess. Should you fork out $190.00, that depends on how badly you want one now. For the moment it is fare market value. Just remember, although it is logical for prices to drop after things settle, no one can predict what WILL happen. Capt. Posted on Apr 06 1999, 12:18 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Prices after Y2K by guthrie Nick, If you think Y2K is going to be only a "bump in the road" then wait, prices will drop and you will be able to reap some real bargins. If you think Y2K is going to be a "train wreck" then I think you had better find a good SKS now and hold on to some ammo. If the "train" does wreck saving a few bucks on a gun will be a minor concern. Good luck, guthrie Posted on Apr 06 1999, 01:47 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS prices by Careful If you think Y2K is going to be a dud then wait. Posted on Apr 06 1999, 05:02 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What drives prices? by hunter47 The real question is...what is driving up the price of the SKS along with other semi-auto rifles? If it is because of Y2K, then prices will probably drop after things settle down. However, if the prices are more of an indication of the fear we all have regarding gun legislation and that idiot we have in the white house, then you are kidding yourself if you think they are going to drop. Even if it is a combination of the two, I think prices are more apt to stay where they are now, as opposed to dropping. In either case, I'd rather buy now and then buy MORE if and when prices do drop. Posted on Apr 06 1999, 06:44 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I concur by Faron I think your right...prices on semi-auto's will never go down due to the hostile political environment....SKS's will never again be imported, although there are alot of them out there prices will still esculate over time as fewer are available to be sold and legislative constraints tighten....buy now while you can.....it has less to do with y2k hype than supply and demand....just my .02..... Posted on Apr 06 1999, 07:45 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- More to it than Y2K... (ctxt) by Gary If the Y2K problems are minimal, there is a likelyhood that you'll see some firearms hit the used gun market through pawn shops and private sales. Those will be lower in price, particularly around each month's end (when rent and mortgage payments come due) and around the holiday season. People will start looking at their "Millenium" rifles as sources for needed cash. It's already been stated that since further imports are unlikely - even after the Razorback Poonhound leaves office - we are forced to deal with a shrinking supply. So, unless an SKS owner needs to sell his rifle in order to pay the utility bill, those really low prices won't be seen again. I think $190 is a pretty fair price, considering that a Ruger 10/22 costs about the same. It's all in how you look at it. Several days ago, I posted a question about SKS parts kits. A year or so ago, vendors were selling the rifle parts, minus only the receiver, for around $75.00. To complete my barreled receiver, the parts cost will be around $140.00. Mind, that's picking each part from the vendor that advertises it the cheapest. Ain't life grand? Gary Posted on Apr 07 1999, 07:59 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don' forget ignorance by Long Shot I agree that a lot of the nuts pricing is due to both the infamous Y2K, and the fact that who knows if you'll still be able to get one a year from now. I also think that location has a lot to do with it. I live in one of the few states where pawnshops are illegal, or so I'm told, so gun shops and private parties are the only places to buy guns. The going price for a SKS in poor but shootable condition is $235.00. Last week I saw a post ban Chinese (in new condition but missing the cleaning kit), with a price tag of $350.00. Even ammo has gotten way out of line at $270.00 for 1000 rounds, (I mail order mine now). These are the prices I'm seeing in not only the shops in my town, but also in shops in a five county area. So I am led to believe that buyer ignorance maybe playing a role in the price hikes as much as anything else...or at least here. If you see a $350.00 price on a SKS next to a $1400.00 Weatherby, assuming you don't know any better, the SKS looks like a great buy. Posted on Apr 07 1999, 05:32 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS thumbhole wood stock? by Al Benecki Anybody know of a source for a thumbhole wood stock for a SKS.I know a few years back the China made ones coming into the USA had them to bypass the assualt rifle BS,so they could be classed sporting arm.Thanx for any leeds or comments.Al Posted on Apr 06 1999, 06:06 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS Thumbhole Stocks by Gary Are you referring to those horrid stocks that look more like a plank than something that belongs on a firearm? With the black friction material in the handgrip area? I don't know of any sources for those stocks, though you could easily copy one with only a small chain saw, a good sharp "whittling" knife and some cheap varnish. ;^) You could try Gun Parts Corporation, or posting a "Want to Buy" ad on a few websites such as AuctionArms. There are bound to be some "take-offs" available. Does anyone know *why* the importers started using that stock, when the SKS had no pistol grip design to begin with? That's always puzzled me. Ideas? Gary Posted on Apr 06 1999, 09:03 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think there beatiful! by Al Benecki Thanx for the leeds Gary,Yep those be the ones,Gee I kinda liked the way they looked and handled, minus the non-skid tape.I guess it is in the I of the beholder.Al Posted on Apr 06 1999, 09:14 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thumbhole Stocks - ctxt by The Confessor Heck, and I thought *I* was the only person who liked the thumbhole stocks!! If ya find a source for them Al, I'd appreceate an e-mail because I've had no luck rounding one up for my SKS-D... Posted on Apr 06 1999, 02:26 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Find more forums on Firearms Create your own forum at Netbabbler SKS Discussion Forum SKS Discussion Forum This board is dedicated to the discussion of the SKS rifle, feel free to ask all your questions here. I have decided to allow buying and selling of SKS (only)parts and accessories on this board. Send Comments and Questions to Survivor Survival Buy and Sell Forum General Gun Talk AK Discussion Forum -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- do i have this right ??? by jim none of us are sure and the batf is not sure on what modifacations can or cant be done on sks. is our congress realy that much smarter than us. Posted on Apr 05 1999, 10:09 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes you are correct by Capt. Daves Our Gov. is just as confused, if not more, than we are. And thay have the paperwork to prove it. Capt. Posted on Apr 06 1999, 07:20 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- whats it worth by Mike 1954 russion sks worth sorry i cant spell Posted on Apr 05 1999, 06:16 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Depends... by RUSSki If it's all-original (matching serial #'s on all parst, including stock, and hasn't been "reworked" or refinished at an arsenal, then it's a cut-above average (this mostly applies to Russians). Additionally, if the rifle is also in "mint" condition, with a bright, shiny chrome-lined bore, then this is the best available in my book. I'd say THESE DAYS your rifle would easily be worth $400 or more. If the rifle is reworked, but all-matching, in excellent condition, I'd say $300 and up. Unless it's a mismatched, really been-through-the-wringer, tired old rifle, I'd say don't put less than $250 on it. Now, we're talking 1999 - leading into Y2K. Remember that. Everyone and their uncle who wants to buy your rifle will snottily tell you that "x" years ago, you could get the same rifle for maybe "thirty five cents" or similar low price. That was then. These "economists" want either a GREAT deal, or they are snapping-up SKSs and holding them for resale when the Y2K hysterics really reach fever-pitch and there's bucks to be made. In my opinion, the Russians are better, and any in good-and-up condition should be worth at least $250 (and UP). Again, THESE days. Posted on Apr 05 1999, 08:36 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks by Mike Thanks for info it is shinny bore all origenal and maby 20 rounds shot in it and it was only 80$ ten years ago when i got it Posted on Apr 06 1999, 02:48 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Monte Carlo Stock by Anonymous Anyone interested in a Monte Carlo Stock for an SKS? I've got one from ATI, brand new, that I might part with if I can get $40-45 for it. Posted on Apr 04 1999, 10:37 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What's the story on folding stocks? by Mike I was in a local gun shop developing a wish list and I mentioned that I wanted to buy a 20 round fixed mag for my SKS paratrooper. The shopkeeper asked why I would want one rather than a detachable. When I told him that I wanted to install a folding stock and the detachable mag would cross the 3 item "assault rifle" line he said that installing a folding stock on any SKS was illegal. What's the scoop? I thought that a folding stock (with pistol grip) would only meet two of the several crtiteria for assault status. Does anyone have a good understanding of these rules. Could someone please prevent this generally upstanding and law abiding citizen from becoming a dangerous felon! Thanks Posted on Apr 04 1999, 09:54 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Potentally Dangrous Felon, by Capt. Daves Are you fimilar with the pre ban/post ban issues. If you can find a pre ban SKS with a folding stock already attached it's a legal conversion, But make sure it's a pre ban rifle before you buy. Any comverted post ban SKS falls under the classification of assult rifle (not sportster) and is concitered a felony. As for telling if a weapon is pre or post ban, DaMan or some of the others here could tell you better than I could. Capt. Posted on Apr 05 1999, 07:41 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wrong Law. ctxt by john Highly illegal. Ok, first things first. Go back to page 6 and maybe back further. There is no way on God's green earth I want to unleash this monster again. 922(r)is the law pertaining to the sks. Passed in 1990. Look for all my posts about it. Basically says, no detachable magazines, no folding stocks, no bayonets, exections being the russian (for the bayonet) and Sks sporter with a detachable magazine having a monte carlo or thumbhole stock. It is a felony if you break this law. The law is a freaking mess and no one really knows for sure what the answer is (for the detachable mag) and if the one guy is telling the truth we have the ATF saying no and saying yes. I don't know. I do know if you leave the gun the way you bought it you are fine. If you mess with it YOU DO SO AT YOUR OWN RISK. Next thing, 2 IS THE NUMBER OF THINGS NEED FOR AN ASSUALT WEAPON. YOU ONLY GET ONE. If that sks was made in america you could put a folding stock on it. Assualt ban covers manufacturing(it was made before 1994). 922(r)affects imported rifles and deals with the date of IMPORT and ASSEMBLY was passed in 1990. So definantly don't do the folding stock. If you went out and bought a mini-14(made in the U.S.) tomorrow,assuming it was made after the 1994 ban, and put a folding stock on it from cableas you are a felon! It has 2 things. Pistol grip below the action, and a folding stock. Anyways, I wouldn't mess with the sks. It is nice the way you bought it, and was made to function that way. Posted on Apr 05 1999, 04:45 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DAMN! It's Great to be a Freakin' AMERICAN, ain't it! Baa....baaa - What Sheeple We Is! by RUSSki Re-read the above two or three posts. NOT to flame their authors, but as Will Smith puts it in Men in Black: "DAMN". Are we really SUBJECTS to such a silly bunch of c-r-a-p? Have we actually let "laws" pass that GOVERN STOCKS and PISTOL-GRIPS? Sheesh. Blah, blah, okay, what-ev-er. Anyways, I hope that case in Texas (Tay-hoss!) finally forces the US Supreme Court to publicly admit that the Second Amendment MEANS just what it says. THEN we'll be rid of over 30,000 gun-law PIMPLES on the a-word of American freedom. Ans we won't have to write such SILLY-ASS warnings and advisories to one-another! It's just too good to be true. WATCH. Posted on Apr 05 1999, 09:27 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- One of the sheep by Capt. Daves I don't like these "bunch of silly c-r-a-p" laws just like the majority, if not all, the other folks on this board. However, in this case I see accepting yourself as an American Citizen is much like getting married. For better or worse!!! I don't like or agree with the crap that big brother is shoving down our throats & do my best to make my voice heard on that front. But as long as I concider myself an American I an obglated to follow the laws of the land so far as they don't conflict with the laws of God. Capt. Posted on Apr 06 1999, 07:15 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- do something about it! by rocket good reply capt. I can only add that everyone needs to get every swinging ---- out to the polls when it is time to vote and support the NRA/ILA. Posted on Apr 09 1999, 10:00 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Capt. Dave: I know you've been over this, but what about the PRE-BAN Russian ones, ctxt by Jeff Since they're PRE BAN, why can't you do what ever you want to it? (big mag, pistol grip, folding stock, flash hider, bi-pod, infared scope, etc) Like the Colt AR's with no bayo lug, you can put a bayo lug on it if it's pre ban. Why is this not true? Thankd for the information Posted on Apr 06 1999, 07:44 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff by Capt. Daves I wish I could help you more but I think you would have more luck delving into the intricies of thease areas by directing this question to John, RUSSki, or Survivor. Sorry I couldn't help more, Capt. Posted on Apr 06 1999, 09:11 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Russian SKS by Survivor The Russian SKS is a special gun, it doesn't matter when it was brought in, it is listed as a curio and relic, but as with all SKS's I wouldn't change anything, as soon as you change anything it loses its status as a curio and relic and is subject to all laws, but hey they all seem to work best in the original configuration, and trust me, I have tried almost every config there is, and I always go back to the original, the only difference that is noted as far as the Russian guns go is the bayo may be left attached to it. At least that is my understanding on the matter......Survivor Posted on Apr 07 1999, 02:16 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My take on this. by john This is a very confusing subject. I can tell you what I THINK is correct, but I can't tell you for sure what is legal. I can tell you what I know to be illegal in some cases. (Once again this is what I think is correct) Go to sksman.com. (subguns.com also has some good info regarding other subjects) Then go to sks fact. Then read about the legality part. In order for that to be legal you would have had to done it before 922(r) took affect. This I believe is because 922(r) deals with assembly, and the assualt weapons ban deals with manufacturing. I might have this all wrong, but it is best if you leave the gun the way you bought it. That way you know that you are nice and legal. This law is a very very confusing one. If you want, write the atf. If you don't want to do that, thats fine but I wouldn't mess with the gun. That way you know for sure that you are legal. As the Survivor they are best left in original configuration. Note: It is a felony to break 922(r). 10 years in jail and a 10,000 fine. Also, I am positive that you cannot change Post 922(r)russia in any way. They were allowed in with bayonets on only in original military configuration. Change anything and you are a big bad felon. Sks were designed under the K.I.S.S. pinciple. I wouldn't use my money or risk breaking the law by changing them. Thats just me personaly. Posted on Apr 07 1999, 05:15 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks very much for the input guys. by Jeff (Notext) . Posted on Apr 07 1999, 08:28 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LAte, But Here's My 2 Cents... by RUSSki I have a '52 Tula Arsenal SKS, all original, etc, and wouldn't change a thing. ESPECIALLY the mag. The above posts are right in two ways - the Russian SKSs are "safe" with their decidedly EVIL bayonets, but they become prey for the Fed-Beast if you alter them. Personally, anyone who'd do such a thing to a 50's Tula needs a good spanking! Also on-target are the opinions commenting that you can ask four Feds a question and get five different answers. The heck of it for now is that the so-called "law" is on their side, and they have more paid-gunmen than you can handle. Word to the wise. Someone sent me a Chinese SKS (trade-deal) with a spike bayonet attached. I removed the spike so fast! While I haven't heard of anyone getting busted, with my luck I'd get nailed for sure. One other comment is that I've handled SKSs in a rainbow of configurations, with all of the aftermarket "goodies" on them to varying degrees. None of them seem noticeably "better" than the plain old SKS as it was made originally. The Monte Carlo stock (synthetic) is a big improvement over the usually-terrible Chinese "wood", but that's about it. Those early Russians have some sturdy wood, with a nice "historical" look and feel. The other synthetics are good, too, such as the "ultralight" and the Dragunuv. HOW do you spell Draga-whatchamacallit?! Anyways, SKS rifle - GREAT as-is. Don't waste your money on experiments, and don't risk legal B.S., either. That's it! Posted on Apr 07 1999, 09:40 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Finally shot it by Guz I posted awhile back for information on my sks and have been reading this board almost daily. Well, this past weekend I finally had a chance to get out and shoot it. It definately brought a smile my face and to my brother-in-laws. We blew through 200 rounds of hollow points and she worked flawlessly. Every other weekend we are getting together to practice shooting all of our guns and next time we plan on seeing how accurate the sks is out to 150 yards. Keep up the good information guys. Guz Posted on Apr 04 1999, 04:03 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Smiles, Smiles, Smiles by Mike I don't think I've ever seen anyone shoot an SKS and not smile. They sure are a kick in the pants. I bought a paratrooper for my wife a while back (I,I mean she, really needed it). Despite all the terrible things I have heard about the paratrooper, it has been a Gem. It consistently pops clays at 150-200 yards (which is plenty accurate for me). I suppose I could do better with my .338 or 30-06 but I cant unload a mag as quickly and it sure doesn't bring that smile to my face like my old pal SKS. Posted on Apr 04 1999, 10:03 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- corosive or not. by mike in Tn. i have shot lots of the russain HP.and also german FMJ. i,ve heard some say its mildly corosive even though it says its not. allways do breakdown and good cleaning after shooting just wondering. also have some russian soft point but havent shot any saving it for the coyotes thanks guys mike in Tn Posted on Apr 04 1999, 07:21 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Corr ammo by Virgil Caine If you are refering to E. German surplus ammo, every ad I've seen for it SGN etc, described it as being corrosive. As for the Russian, one of the guys on Tom Bowers board tested some of it a while back, and proclaimed it to be non corrosive, I have my doubts, and would proceed as if dealing w/ corrosive ammo (clean well etc. etc.). Posted on Apr 04 1999, 10:02 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- thanks Virgil by mike in Tn Think you hit the nail on the head i,ve bought surplus ammo before at gunshows labeled noncorosive when it turned out to be very corosive namely some 7.62x54r in bright shiney new boxes filled with ammo maybe 30yrs. old. mike in Tn Posted on Apr 04 1999, 08:28 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Treat all import ammo as if it's corrisive... by Faron I was told that almost all imported ammo is corrisive even the new production stuff that claims its not....i would use the water/ammonia mix in all cases just to be safe.... Posted on Apr 05 1999, 03:46 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- water/ammonia? by rfdoc Will that help? I have a bunch of Russian HP, says non corrosive, but you really don't know for sure. How is it mixed and used? rfdoc Posted on Apr 06 1999, 07:03 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ammo question. by RC First I would Like to thank Survivor for turning me on to this group, I have learned more about my recient purchases than anywhere else on the web, THANKS! My question is about a can of bulgarian ammo I bought this week. It is lead core hp with a copper coated steel jacket. The steel seems to be very malleable. Has anyone ever seen and or shot this through the sks or ak? I have two russians sks and an egyptian ak, got all three for 700, but wouldn't want to do any damage to any of them. If anyone has experience with this ammo or has heard any horror stories PLEASE give advise. Thanks in advance, RC Posted on Apr 03 1999, 07:30 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I wouldn't be worried about the steel ctxt by john If you go to the sight http://ammodeal.com/Rifle.html and look at the Russian ammo it also has a copper coated HP. Notice it has one * by it. Go down to the bottom of the page and read for yourself. I know they are trying to sell the ammo but is does seem like a reasonalbe answer. Malleablity of the steel is a good thing because you want the bullet to engage the rifleing inside the gun, not where it out. I have cut one of my HP with a saw and the copper coating seems more than thick enough. Here is WHAT I WOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT. MANY TIMES AMMO FROM ROMAINIA AND SOME FOR THOSE EASTER BLOCK countries IS CORROSIVE OR MILDLY CORROSIVE. I wouldn't shoot the stuff if it says corrosive or mildly corrosive. If it doesn't say anything I would by VERY CAREFUL. I might not even shoot it. If you choose to shoot it (and it is corrosive or mildly) I would CLEAN THE GUN RIGHT AFTER YOU GOT DONE. It is just my personal thought never to shoot corrosive anything through my gun. Posted on Apr 03 1999, 12:02 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What about?? by RC Ok I understand about the corrosive issue and I ALWAYS clean my guns within a few hours after doing some plinking, but. What do youall think about shooting, say a full clip or two of ammo you know to be non-corrosive after suspect rounds. What I'm thinking is could this "purge" or lessen the amounts of corrosives left after useing such ammo, or is it just as likely to corrode in the same given time. Posted on Apr 03 1999, 05:36 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No, I don't think so. by john I think that is a common misconception, but I have no real experiance in the matter. If you could shoot stuff out of the barrel your gun should be just a dirty on the inside after one round as after 50, but that isn't the case. Even if you did get some of it out barrel the corrosive stuff would still be all over the piston and inside that tube. In short I don't think it would have any noticable effect in "purging the barrel." I have heard shooting mildly corrosive ammo is not all that hard on a gun if you clean it after word. This is the way I look at it: There is no way it can do any good so it is either neutral or bad. I know for sure that non-corr. ammo isn't going to do any harm, so thats what I shoot. Posted on Apr 03 1999, 09:22 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Some thoughts by Grant R. Aikin Don't worry about copper washed, steel cased ammo. Although I have never used Bulgarian in particular, the copper washed stuff is fairly standard. As John pointed out, I would be concerned about it's corrosiveness. Find a person knowlegeable on East-bloc ammo I.D. If you can't, you could always fire one round and take the brass to a lab and have the powder residue anyalized for mercury. It would cost about $25.00 to do. Also do not catche this ammo. If it is not factory fresh it may not have much life left in it. Additionally, in time (10-20 years?) the powder can react with the iron in the steel case. Also the reason that the case may be so malleable is because the case neck has not been annealled. This could cause a failure to extract, but as long as you just use this stuff for practice you should be OK. Posted on Apr 03 1999, 03:59 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WHERE DID THE OTHER 4 SHOTS GO? by john I put a target out 200 or so meters away. Fired 5 times at it. I was shooting at a target about 8 or 10 inches big. One of the shots hit it and I have no idea were the other 4 went(it was very windy that day.) I used up all my other ammo assualting pop cans filled with water, and might I say I really would not want to be on the recieveing end of a hollow piont. Ouch, not much left of the pop cans. Anyways, I guess my question is this: Once you have the gun sighted in for 100 meters is the gun still on at say 200 or 300 meters if you move the back sight up to the 200 or 300 mark? What about at 600 meters ect. Or is it better to just learn the bullet drop and hold over at the differant ranges instead of moving the sight? The area I shoot at doesn't have the space to let me back up that far and I haven't had time to try it with a bigger target at 200 meters. Any thoughts guys? Posted on Apr 02 1999, 06:42 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gone with the wind by Long Shot The thing you have to realize is the 7.62x39 is not a long distance round, so consider the 400 to 1000 meter marks on the rear sight as a warped joke. Truth is that after 250 meters the bullet drops like a boys voice during puberty, and the way the rear sight is calibrated doesn't take that in consideration. To give you some idea of what I'm talking about, lets say that you have your sights adjusted at 200 meters. You want to to try to hit a target at 500 meters. In order to compensate for the rate of drop after 200 meters, you will need to aim approximately 13 1/2 feet above the target and lob it in like a mortar. The bevel style rear sight set at 500 meters will drop short every time, (or at least it dose on mine). My suggestion is sight in at 200 meters and aim 5 inches low at 100 meters, and 18 inches high at 300. That should get you in the neighborhood, and with a bit of practice it'll become second nature judging the hold over. If you want to figure out the ballistics yourself, and don't have the books or equations, go to the following web page. He offers a on line program that is nearly as complete as the one I use. http://www.lascruces.com/~jbm/index.html Posted on Apr 04 1999, 06:00 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please Help by hunter47 Hey guys, I need your help. On March 23, I posted a message requesting help in identifying a couple SKS's I own. I am thinking about trading one for another gun and need your help identifying them so I can decide which to keep. If anyone knows anything about these markings...please repond. See "HELP ME IDENTIFY...on March 23. Thanks! Posted on Apr 01 1999, 08:34 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This might help by john Hope this sight helps. If one of the bores is chromed and shoots better I would keep that one. http://www.valuu.net/users/bailout/sksmanuf.htm Posted on Apr 02 1999, 12:29 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS Identification by DaMan Hunter, when it's got "Norinco" on it, it's very hard to ID. Take a magnifying glass and look closely at the triangle. It should contain a stialized number ending in "6". Also need a better description! Milled parts or stamped, threaded barrel or pinned, serial number on stock or not, sling on side or bottom? Regards! DaMan Posted on Apr 02 1999, 01:57 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DaMan...here you go! by hunter47 I did as you said, and with a magnifying glass I can see that the numbers inside the triangle on the second gun are 636. The serial numbers on both guns are matching for all parts, including the stock. Slings are on the bottom. They both appear to be pinned barrels. Finally, I am not sure how to tell if parts are milled or stamped...My guess is that they would be whichever is cheaper, but I'm not sure. Hope this helps. Thanks again-Hunter47 Posted on Apr 03 1999, 10:41 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have one of the rifles you described, with the 636 and...... by swami no bayo lug. I was getting and occasional double-fire and so I took out the hammer sear and found that it was poorly machined. I put the dremel to it and now I have not had any more doubles. I paid $150 for it four months ago and am happy with it. As for its origin, I've no clue! Posted on Apr 03 1999, 05:27 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey Hunter, I forgot to ask, what did you find out about..... by swami the sks with the 9636 in the oval. There is one for sale here at a pawn shop in pretty good condition. Is it the one where the 9's look like reversed e's? And I believe it is a screw in barrel? I'm thinking of buying it for about $150. I'd be interested in knowing if you found out any thing about yours. Posted on Apr 03 1999, 07:15 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by hunter47 Swami, Mine has 9696 inside an oval and the 9's look pretty normal. This may sound obvious, but if you turn the oval upside down it looks exactly the same. What I'm getting at is that they are pretty standard american numerals. That is what I find unique about them. As for the one you are looking at, if it is in good condition, with a chromed barrel that is screwed in, I'd say $150 is a pretty good deal. Good luck! Posted on Apr 03 1999, 08:38 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS standard stock by Doc I just purchased a standard Chinese SKS wood stock and have come to the realization that the stock is almost too short for me to shoot with. My 10 year old son is almost too big for it. Any suggestions for lengthening the butt of the gun ? I have seen the 2" butt extensions available, is this enough? Any other suggestions? Thanks, Doc Posted on Apr 01 1999, 07:44 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Could try this? by Al Benecki I took one of my paratroopers and added 2" worth of matching wood"had old SKS stock that was ratty laying around"just wood gluded it and clamped,refinish stock in walnut stain,stain verethane and 1" recoil pad,came out very nice,and it fits me well.If you have a china maade SKS might try maple or a lighter hardwood as a match instead of walnut.This is just 1 idea. Posted on Apr 01 1999, 10:46 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Pulls" on SKSs'... by RUSSki I have a Chinese original-milsurp, and also a '52 Tula Arsenal. I'd always heard that the Russian guns had longer "pulls" as the Russians were larger folk than the Asians (hence the "short" Chinese stocks). If I stand both rifles side-by-side, their original-mfg stocks are the same length. The modern aftermarket "sporter", Monte Carlo and Dragonuv synthetics all are reportedly "American" sized as far as length. Posted on Apr 03 1999, 08:47 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Worth the money? by Morley Hi, I was hoping that some of you could answer some questions I have on SKS rifles. I found a new SKS for $165.00. I was allowed to field strip the gun and found that it still contained the heavy wax grease in and on it. Also I found no marks or scratches on any of the moving parts or ejector, so I feel confident the it has never been fired. The only thing that I found that is a bit concerning is that the bolt assembly that holds the firing pin has a different serial number then all the other parts of the gun. Also the cleaning kit is missing. It's a Chinese gun and the serial number starts with a 5. My fist question is is it worth $165.00? Should I be concerned that it may not have the proper head space due to the odd numbered bolt? Where can I get an original cleaning kit should I decide to buy it? Any information or suggestions would be helpful. Thanks. Posted on Apr 01 1999, 04:53 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here is were you can get a cleaning kit by john I think cheaper than dirt has some, if not tapco or sarco should have some. Thats not really enough info to tell if it is a steal, but seems like an OK price for an sks that hasn't been shot. Posted on Apr 02 1999, 06:23 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by Faron Out in West Texas new SKS's Chinese or Russian start at about $250.....I have seen a couple of beat up used ones for $150....even the ones at gun shows and paper adds are going for near $300 in most cases....occasionally you can find a deal from an individual....$165 doesnt sound bad - but I think I would prefer all matching...if you do buy it have it checked by a gunsmith.... Posted on Apr 05 1999, 03:54 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30 RND CLIPS by BRANDON ANYONE HAVE ANY FOR SALE? Posted on Apr 01 1999, 09:52 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30rd clips by Fred hey,if your talking about 30 rd AK clips,I have 1 brand new 30rd AK clip i'll sell you for $7.95 I bought it thinking it might fit in my SKS but it would'nt fit mine.If your interested e-mail me Posted on Apr 01 1999, 11:41 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WTB 20 ROUND MAGS. by STEVE LOOKING FOR 5 EA. FOR SKS. E MAIL BEST PRICE.THANKS Posted on Apr 01 1999, 08:45 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by hunter47 Try classic arms or tapco! Posted on Apr 04 1999, 04:38 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- .223 SKS? by Survivor I heard something about an SKS being imported before the ban in .223, Has anyone seen one? This was a new one to me, and I want one :-) Posted on Apr 01 1999, 03:40 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- New one on me, too... by Gary Could they be thinking about the AK? Most of us are aware of the .223 AKs, but there were fairly few of them in comparison with the 7.62 rifles. Even the newer 5.45x39 AKs may now outnumber the .223 models (which were made especially for commercial sale to the U.S.). As for a small caliber SKS, I'd love to see one. Gary Posted on Apr 01 1999, 06:52 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 223 SKS by Survivor I wondered that too but they insisted it was a SKS, it was right before the ban so only about 5000(?)units got in, I would love to see one... Posted on Apr 01 1999, 02:01 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- rescued a Russion by Tomo while brousing at the used gun rack at a local gun shop today I found what appears to be a nearly "new" Russion SKS with all the black junk hung on it, Monte-Carlo stock, handguard, scope etc., but missing front sight/bayo mount.When I inquired about it they produced a box of parts to go with it. Original stock, sling, bayonet, cleaning kit, and,instruction book. Missing was the handguard and front sight/bayo mount. All appeared unused matching numbers, price $225. I couldn't pass it up for $225 so I put a deposit on it. Does anyone know where a front sight/bayo mount and handguard can be purchased? Are they interchangeable from gun to gun? Also the reciever has been drilled and tapped for a scope mount that goes over the original reviever cover I've never seen a scope mount like that on an SKS. Posted on Mar 31 1999, 08:22 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Adding Safety Spring to Russian SKS... by RUSSki Help! Myself and a friend each have a '52 Tula Arsenal SKS - they are amongst those early imports WITHOUT a safety-spring. The safety is friction-fitted only, and no-doubt will loosen with use and become unreliable. I/We'd appreciate any input on: Spring Sources; Do-It-Yourself (?) Tips, etc. THANKS! Posted on Mar 31 1999, 04:04 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alternative by Capt. Daves I don't know If you can add a spring into that safety (No experance with them). However an alternative would be to replace the entire trigger group & keep the origonal from getting worn. Just a thought, Capt. Posted on Apr 01 1999, 06:56 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alternative idea by Capt. Daves I don't know If you can add a spring into that safety (No experance with them). However an alternative would be to replace the entire trigger group & keep the origonal from getting worn. Just a thought, Capt. Posted on Apr 01 1999, 06:56 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- OK, This is weard by Capt. Daves Anyone know why I got a double post with different names? Capt. Posted on Apr 01 1999, 06:59 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TAPCO has the springs by Gary Check www.tapco.com, I think they list the part for about $3.50. I've heard that the friction fit safety on the Russian guns is no different from the Chinese version, it's just a tighter fit that *will* loosen with use. If you don't want to swap out the entire trigger group, buy a Chinese ambidextrous safety along with the spring. If you want it to look "all Russian", just tap out the safety's pivot pin, lay the spring at the bottom of the housing and compress in slightly with the tip of a screwdriver while pinning the safety lever back in place. It's a three hand job, be patient. Posted on Apr 01 1999, 07:04 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parts kits? by Gary Does anyone know if there are still vendors that sell complete SKS parts kits, less the receiver? I have a barreled receiver that I bought years ago for spare parts, or for a "rainy day". Shoulda bought the parts kit when SN had them advertised, I know, I know. The future seemed less bleak then, I suppose. Any sources out there? Just need the hardware, not the stock. Thanks, Gary Posted on Mar 31 1999, 09:52 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by coyote check www.sarcoinc.com Posted on Mar 31 1999, 02:35 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- parts kits by Tomo try this www.sksparts.com/sksparts.html Posted on Mar 31 1999, 08:46 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by jim what is suspsebly wrong with the sks that start with sn # 9. Mine dose and I don't have any complants.Were do you find out what the markings stand for.Mine has only a triangle and made by norinco imported by compasseco. Posted on Mar 30 1999, 06:08 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Norinco?? by Al Benecki I have been watching and reading your board lately.Ihave the following question/comment.I wonder if a type 56 SKS or its parts could be made at that was once a country arsenal,is now a Norinco factory 35 years later? Just a thought,and boy would it shoot holes in all this Norinco snobbery.Al Posted on Mar 30 1999, 11:38 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Need your help guys. by Capt. Daves My system took a poop last week and I'm just starting to get back up and running. However, when windows crashed is took all my bookmarks with it. Could you guys post some of your fav. sites, sales and auction sites to help me to get up and crusin' the net again. Special thanks to Tater for helping me find my way back here again. Capt. Posted on Mar 29 1999, 06:21 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- need help by Darrke ok, heres some hope they help www.gunsource.com www.gunsamerica.com www.subguns.com www.kalashnikov.guns.ru/wwwboard http://209.213.104.53/wwwboard/ ive got more if you want them hope this helps Posted on Mar 29 1999, 07:02 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A few for you! by Lobo http://www.access.digex.net/~45acp/sks.html http://www.classicarms.org/ http://www.tapco.com/ http://www.urban-armory.com/index.htm http://www.wideners.com/ http://www.1911-heaven.com/ http://www.netside.com/~lcoble/password/handload.html http://www.gunowners.org/ http://www.assra.com/ http://www.castbulletassoc.org/ http://www.sassnet.com/SASSNET/SASSnet.html http://www.gunsgunsguns.com/gunhoo/ Posted on Mar 29 1999, 07:15 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey TechnoShooters! How Can We Back-Up Our Bookmark File(s)? ntxt by RUSSki . Posted on Mar 29 1999, 09:32 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bookmark Backup by Capt. Daves I backed mine up on a 1.44 Meg Floppy. The problem is I used a compression program on that disk to store more info on it. Now that I've had to start again from scratch my system can't read the compressed disk. You can save bookmarks on a 1.44 Floppy but don't use a compressed disk to save anything. Even better would be to save on a CDR or CDRW. Click on start & scroll up to bookmarks or favorites, whatever your system calls them. Open that file & move the arrow to the file you want to save. Right click the mouse & you should get an option on the list that pops up that says "Send to". When you move the pointer to that option It'll open another menu that gives a choice wnere you want to save the info. Choose where you want to put it, ckick & your done. Capt. Posted on Mar 30 1999, 06:40 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP! by brandon how do i remove the wood handguard from the gas piston? i need to remove it to install on that goes with my new stock. Posted on Mar 29 1999, 10:16 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Removing wooden handguard by Gary Brandon: It is tough to see, but there is a pin through the metal block at the rear of the handguard. The pin is evidently pressed in place, then the assembly is machined to fit into the rear sight/receiver, so the pin is nearly invisible. Look closely at the sides of the assembly, you should be able to just make out the round outline. Drive it out with a steel punch and hammer. Mine was pretty tough to dislodge, don't be afraid to use a *big* hammer! I closed the jaws of my bench vise to about a 1/4" gap, then centered the pin over the gap and supported the surrounding metal with the edges of the jaws. Watch your fingers! Gary Posted on Mar 30 1999, 09:08 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So is that how you remove the barrel too? by john I kinda got this question answered but is that how you remove a pinned barrel. Have you ever tried that and how hard was it. I was just wondering because if it isn't hard I would like to get an extra barrel for my sks. If it is a pain in the neck I won't attempt it. Has anyone out there ever replaced a pinned barrel? Posted on Mar 30 1999, 07:38 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- pinned barrel by brandon how can you tell if it is pinned? Posted on Mar 30 1999, 08:43 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Removing pinned barrel by Gary Yes, that's one way of doing it. I'd most likely use a hydraulic press instead, with appropriate support under the receiver. Those big frame presses used to be only found in machine shops, now you can buy one for not too many $$$ from Harbor Freight Tools. I'd use a press on the handguard too, except the pin is rather small and the part would be clumsy to fit in a press. However, I have seen similar work done in a plain old bench vise. Align a small metal dowel (smaller than the pin) on one side and a small socket (larger than the pin) on the other, then carefully close the jaws. It's a three-handed job, but the dowel should shove the pin through into the socket. I've never broken down a pinned SKS before, but I have taken apart a few .22 rifles that were assembled that way. You can tell if an SKS barrel is pinned in place by looking at the sides of the receiver where the barrel joins (remove barreled action from the stock). Look just below the chamber area for a large cross pin. Gary Posted on Mar 31 1999, 07:25 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The reason I ask is..... by john I was wondering if accuracy was a problem after 10,000 rounds. Any experiance? Does accuracy start to fall off after a while or is there no change. I haven't put 10,000 rounds through my gun yet so I don't know, I hope one of you guys know. Posted on Mar 31 1999, 06:48 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- With parts becoming less abundant... (more) by Gary We'll be depending on the gunsmiths more and more. Barrels that show excessive wear at the chamber throat can be turned on a lathe and "set back", then rechambered to minimum headspace specs. I don't know exactly how this is done on a pinned assembly, since the pin locating notch would no longer align with the hole in the receiver. A carefully applied weld (with all heatsink material possible) followed by re-drilling the "notch" should return that rechambered barrel to service **. Of course, lopping a teeny piece off the muzzle and recrowning will take care of that end. Minimum barrel length becomes a concern when fiddling with these repairs, giving the full-length rifles an advantage over the already-short Paratrooper. As for experience in "shooting out" barrels, mine is restricted to a .220 Swift that I had. It ate barrels at an alarming rate. The SKS (particularly ones with chromed bores) should last 10,000 rounds - maybe 15K. You'll probably shoot the headspace loose before the bore starts to go. This assumes proper care and cleaning, etc. and so forth. Gary ** Shortening an SKS barrel a fraction of an inch for chamber setback at the breech end causes some interesting problems. The gas tube and piston must also be shortened a proportionate amount. Buying an extra SKS as a backup sounds better and better, don't you think? Posted on Apr 01 1999, 10:50 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah, but by john I noticed sarco was selling some barrels for 35 bucks. Thats why I was wondering how tough it was to replace the barrel on an sks. I don't know what to do. What do you think? Should I go a head and buy another barrel for my sks or just forget about it. I am really short on cash and don't have the money to buy another sks. The other question I have is do any of you guys know if the barrel comes with the sights on it and how tough are they to swap out if it doesn't Posted on Apr 01 1999, 12:01 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Barrel replacement by Gary If the barrel is a "take-off", it might be a good investment. Call and ask about the front sight base, if possible get a barrel with that part already installed. A good hammer, safety goggles and a set of quality steel punches are all you need to drift out those pins but it can be a tough job. Take-off barrels will have all the pin notches to locate the front sight base if the base is not included. Try calling Sarco, my e-mail inquiries to them have never gotten a response. If you do, let us know more about the barrels. In the long run, you'd probably do better to squirrel away the $35 and keep adding to it. Pawn shops will have SKS rifles available for quite some time. Buy an ugly one, they always sell for less! Posted on Apr 05 1999, 08:30 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- full auto manual by al has anyone ever ordered a full auto book for a sks? i just ordered one, but i DON'T plan on converting it. but if anyone has done this how does the gun function on full auto? Posted on Mar 28 1999, 08:38 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Interested in info by midevilone I have long been fascinated with the SKS and would like information on where you found the book you mentioned. Could you e-mail me the info to: mailto:midevilone@hotmail.com Posted on Mar 29 1999, 07:59 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- manual by Tomo sksparts.com/sksparts.html Posted on Mar 31 1999, 08:50 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There goes our ammo??? by JB Has the 7.62x39mm been banned from import? The prices have been going up and one store states "Last group ever to be imported". Damn that sob in the whitehouse. Posted on Mar 28 1999, 05:06 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sure Looks Like It... by RUSSki RUMOR has it that Herr Clinton has already SIGNED some sort of gizmo that will indeed pretty much shut-off all ammo imports. The bastards are once again twisting words. This time they're trying to construe "components" as in "firearms and components (parts)" to INCLUDE ammunition. Local dealer says that 7.62x39 is drying up fast. For the record, he did not then say to buy HIS. Which, by the way, was @ $145/1000 for JHP - only had a few cases. Here's how nervous the gunners are getting - I've tried for some time out of financial desperation to trade my computer system and extra add-ons for ammo or guns. All together, the stuff is well-worth around $750, but no one is interested - even for a used $350 to $400 range trade! Sour grapes, I guess, so I'll try to sell the thing at work (wanted it to go to a pro-gun person). Anyways, YES, kiss our freakin' ammo goodbye, along with the illusion that we even REALLY have our guns, period. It's only until they are banned and priced completely away - not too far off! What we see is this: A ban comes down; ProGunners talk their tough-guy crap of outrage and rebellion; Next, they raise prices or pay the higher prices in a frenzied orgy of "beat the ban" buying and selling; Then, of course, the next ban comes along and the cycle repeats. The disgusting price-gouging or scuttling cowardice is always justified as "well, if you can't afford it, then don't buy it" or "well, at least this or that is still legal". As I said "kiss it all goodbye". Posted on Mar 28 1999, 08:06 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don't feed the frenzy by john Look, anyone remember the primer scare(I heard people were selling them for $50 per 100), the 1000% tax on 9mm ammo. None of it ever came to pass. Now, lets JUST ASSUME (and you know how to spell assume) that this is going to happen. Remember when they banned clipps over 10 rounds, look how many of those we have lieing around. AR-15's shot up to over 1500 apiece and they have now come down. Even it they do ban that it will take a while for all that stuff to dry up. The price may go up some but it will still be available. They still make 7.62 in the states 6.00 for the win. kind near me. I'm sure we could talk ammo companies into making steel cased rounds in the U.S. Crap, distributers probably started this whole rumor. Supply and demand. People are worried about their guns, people are feaking out over the media feed Y2K thing.(I know a main frame programer and he says it won't be that big of a deal. If people riot it will be because they are stuipid and its the year 2000. Big freaking deal. I got 00 buck for them.) They know if people think they can't get something anymore the price goes through the roof. Personally, I think Clinton has bigger issues to deal with right now than trying to promote the gun banning agenda. What a great selling line. Might as well buy it now because it might be BANNED and you will pay more later. Just my 2 cents. Will see how it pans out. Posted on Mar 28 1999, 08:35 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amen, I Hear You... by RUSSki Aside from my bitter pessimism, I didn't intend to call the rumor "gospel" or to encourage anyone to go ammo-crazy. You make exactly one of the points that really gets me going. It is often the darned manufacturers, dealers and importers who stir this pot of greed and stress. During the "good ole" ASSAULT DAZE, there were many dealers who snagged the "2nd Mag" out of the 2-mag high-capper guns and later sold them for over $50 each. I know several friends who got such "1 mag" guns. Their dealers shrugged and said "That's how it was sent - guess they only give ya one now". So, I wouldn't be surprised now to learn of "friendly fire" being involved in the growing ammo-frenzy. Bastards if they are. So what to do? I'll buy some damn ammo, I guess. Will prices ever come back DOWN? No. Just like SKS prices - every smarty-pants online says that they USED to sell for, what, "35 cents" or something ;) - Will SKS prices ever come back down? No. Heck, SLR95s are near the $700 mark! Sheesh... lots of buying and selling as our guns slip away "legislatively" and economically. At some point every gun will be illegal, and all of the money will have been gouged-up. WHAT THEN. None of it will come back. Ever. Posted on Mar 28 1999, 08:59 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I No Longer Know What To Think :( (ntxt) by JB :( Posted on Mar 29 1999, 07:20 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you want to buy some ammo...... by john Then buy 1000 rounds or whatever. I'm saying just don't go out and buy 10,000 or 20,000 rounds just because of a rumor. Do to inflation and the like prices usually always go up some eack year anyways. As RUSSki said it is only a rumor right now. Just don't panic..........yet. Wait till they try to ban all ammo first. Posted on Mar 29 1999, 11:44 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- copied post about ammo ban by guthrie Ammunition Import Ban: Rumor Control asked in the TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000) Q&A Forum The NRA ILA (National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action) has confirmed in a fax alert some information I previously posted to the forum, based on a number of telephone conversations I had with importers and distributors last week. For those who like documentation, sources etc. (and good on yer I say): http://www.nraila.org/ila/gr0326.99. The rumors have led to some shortages, however, and have provoked a certain amount of panic buying. =================================================================== AMMUNITION BAN RUMORS Contrary to widespread rumors, the President has not implemented any new ban on ammunition imports. There has, however, been a delay in the processing of some import permit applications for ammunition and magazines. Under the Arms Export Control Act, the Administration has forbidden imports of guns, gun parts, and ammunition made in the U.S. and shipped overseas under military assistance programs. The State Department is now trying to extend that policy to goods that they suspect were built with licensed U.S. technology -- for example, ammunition made on an overseas assembly line that a Cold War ally set up under license from the State Department. Bottom line: the Clinton/Gore administration is still trying to use foreign policy to attack the firearms industry. NRA-ILA will continue to work with the Congress to change this policy and defend the interests of American gun owners." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- (li'ldog@stillontheporch.com), March 29, 1999 Posted on Mar 29 1999, 04:08 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I see.... You should let Cheaper Than Dirt know ctxt by john On there online catalog for the russia hollow point they are saying "last batch ever to be imported." Interestingly enough they haven't raised their price eventhough it "is the last batch ever to be imported." Look at the great deal they're giving us how can we afford to pass it up. Even if it was "the last batch ever imported" I bet they have a whole warehouse full of that stuff. I noticed in the Sportsmans guide they are still selling 7.62 X 39 shells made in China and they WERE banned from import a couple of years ago. It is a great marketing ploy. Good try CTD. It is a good price, don't get me wrong, I just don't like that type of marketing ploy. Posted on Mar 29 1999, 06:52 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yup...and I know one place... by JB that went from $120 for 1000rnds HP ammo to $190 almost overnight. Posted on Mar 30 1999, 01:24 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ok guys, $95.00 a case + shipping CTXT by Survivor Here is a guy that has it for 95 a case (1000 rds)I have my order in already, just passing on the good news, Survivor Cheap 7.62x39 Posted on Mar 30 1999, 05:14 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- thanks SURVIVOR by guthrie I am taking advantage of this also. Have you ever ordered from "GUNSMOKE" before ? He has good feedback on Austion Arms. Regards, guthrie Posted on Mar 31 1999, 12:32 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hay SURVIVOR by Capt. Daves I keep getting an error message when I click on "Cheap 7.62x39". Could you post the actual address so I can try that way. Thanks, Capt. Posted on Mar 31 1999, 07:20 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here's the link by 45Phil I'm not SURVIVOR but I had no trouble with his link to Auction Arms for cheap 7.62x39 ammo -- here it is: http://216.25.99.24/search/displayitem.cfm?Item Num=3762794 Posted on Mar 31 1999, 03:02 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks Phil...ntxt by Survivor . Posted on Mar 31 1999, 03:23 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Match for thumbhole stock by Mike I bought a used thumbhole stock yesterday for an SKS. I have a paratrooper that I set-up for my 4'10" wife and I don't think the thumbole stock will be ideal for her. The stock is for the model SKS that uses AK mags (so they said) and I'll heve to modify to fit any other SKS. Is the SKS they are referring to the SKS-D? Are there any others that fit better or worse in the stocks for this particular type. I was thinking of getting a Russian and making it fit (I've been seeing Russians at local shows in the 190-240 range lately). Anyone have any other ideas? Thanks Posted on Mar 28 1999, 04:25 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS-D stock by Gary Don't modify that thumbhole stock, sell it to someone that owns a detachable-magazine SKS. Then buy a stock for a standard fixed-magazine rifle. Gary Posted on Mar 30 1999, 09:13 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- stock removal by al how do i remove the factory sks stock? Posted on Mar 28 1999, 03:15 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is what you have to do by john Leave safey on. Bolt open. Flip the gun so you are looking at the trigger group. Take a screw driver or that thing that came with the tool kit and push HARD on that thing that sticks up out of the trigger group next to the stock. Take out the magazine and the trigger group. The stock and the barrel just kinda pull apart. To put back together get the stock and the barrel together and put the magazine back in. Put the trigger group back in and (this is what I do some people hit it with there hand) flip the gun upside down and press down and forward (toward the muzzle) on the trigger group till it snaps back into place. It might be really hard to get it to go back in the first couple times, but gets easier with time. Posted on Mar 28 1999, 04:45 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11-shot mag by brandon has anyone seen a sks with a factory 11-shot mag? my new paratrooper has one. Posted on Mar 28 1999, 01:00 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Are you sure? by 45phil My guess is that your SKS is a typical 10-rounder, but as with several handgun magazines, you've managed to cram an extra round in (above the # intended). I've been able to load 14 in Browning Hi-Powers (rated @ 13 rounds), 11 in Colt .45 ACP 10-round extended mags, etc. Posted on Mar 28 1999, 02:58 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Help identify by mike Hey guys just found this board looks good i bought an sks couple years ago it's a milled gun and ha the screw in barrell.it was on the old redish brown fiberglass stock and had a blade type bayonet.serial# on left side of rec. 2h9067 triangle toward but of gun from no.norinco sks7.62x39 china ksi pomona.ca. gun has some wear but shoots great i stocked it with the ultralight pistol grip stock. gonna keep the old jungle stock to just in case.thanks guys mike in Tn Posted on Mar 28 1999, 07:11 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- USED PARTS GUN by J.A. All the guns that had fiberglass stocks were made with used parts. Posted on Mar 28 1999, 08:20 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stove pipe in SKS ?? by Virgil Caine Just got back from the range. A friend brought a newly acquired Norinco SKS to run a few test rounds. The last round of every mag would jam, looking like a typical pistol type stove pipe jam, except it was a live round, not an empty casing. It happens regardless of how many rounds are loaded, w/stripper or w/out. Any one out there seen an SKS misbehave in this manner? Thanx. Posted on Mar 27 1999, 05:12 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- last rnd jams by guthrie Virgil, I have had the same problem, mine is a '52 Tula. I have shot LOTS of Russian H.P. with no problem. In a trade I got some NORINCO FMJ ammo and started having last round jam live. Today I tried loading so that the first 8 rnds were NORINCO last 2 Russian H.P. and no jams. The NORINCO ammo is a little bit longer overall, I don't know if this could be the cause of the problem.. What ammo are you shooting? Good luck, guthrie Posted on Mar 27 1999, 05:53 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- New production Russian TCW HP ammo. ntxt. by Virgil Caine . Posted on Mar 27 1999, 06:43 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stupid Question #346 by Gog In a Series of thousands Whats a stovepipe ? I have no pistol experience. Gog Posted on Mar 28 1999, 01:20 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- stovepipe by guthrie gog, when this happens you see the front 1/2 of a live round caught by the bolt. it sticks straight up like a stovepipe. virgil, maybe someone can educate us one this. i'll pass along info if i get some. guthrie Posted on Mar 28 1999, 02:12 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- stovepipes by Nick A friend of mine had a similar problem, except it was happenong randomly, not just the last round. His mag lips were bent kind of funny, and some pliers and some experimentation got the problem solved. I am not sure if this will help in your case. Maybe it is a problem with the mag follower? That would make sense because only the last round is hanging up. Maybe try another magazine and see if that fixes the problem. Good luck. Posted on Mar 28 1999, 10:46 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Few Dumb Questions... by RUSSki They are only "dumb" if it's a question being asked by the same person for the "umpteenth" time. Anyways, a "stovepipe" is a casing, USUALLY FIRED, caught in the ejection port or bolt. Another malfunction is a double-feed, in which one round has tried to enter the chamber, but the next round is forward, too, tipping the top one up. Yet another condition you'll hear mentioned is "failure to battery" or to "go to battery". This is where the slide/bolt drives forward, stripping a round from the magazine and carrying it into the breech/chamber. If the slide/bolt is fully forward, then it is "in battery", if it has stopped short, that is the "failure to battery" as mentioned earlier. Regardless of what they are called, be proficient in quickly and SAFELY clearing the malfunction and returning your weapon to service. Your life could really depend on it! Ditto for inspection and cleaning skills. KNOW your weapons and maintain them. :) Posted on Mar 28 1999, 08:46 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks Guys by Gog Chrystal clear Gog Any one else having trouble posting no text posts Posted on Mar 29 1999, 01:55 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey RUSSki by jb Did you win the bid on the hot little green sks at auction arms? jb Posted on Mar 27 1999, 07:32 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nope! Mine was... by RUSSki $300 - alot, I know, but the rifle looks so damned great! Their "reserve" was more than $300 - I'm betting $375 or more, so they didn't contact me to see if I'd scootch up a little more. MIGHT have, but money is always so TIGHT. Most guns I have are from trading. I am especially screwed right now in trying to buy ammunition (9mm and 7.62x39). Sorry, more than you asked about! Anyways, the seller at AuctionArms is: shuguns@bellsouth.net They have quite a few nice guns on the site. There are also currently some excellent Russian SKSs on AuctionArms, but you'll have to pay a premium these days! Posted on Mar 28 1999, 08:23 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- norinco expectations by freebird I have the opportunity to buy a chinese sks very good condition for $100. As of now, I've only seen pictures...my question is what aspects of the gun can I expect to be inferior as opposed to the Russian. I realize there is a good chance it's stamped, and probably wouldn't have the birch stock, but how's their reputation for cycling, accuracy, and overall dependability. At worst what can I expect? Thanks Posted on Mar 27 1999, 06:31 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you EVER see a stamped SKS... by RLW ...buy it. It is worth about a grand. Posted on Mar 27 1999, 07:04 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What do you mean by "stamped SKS"? $1000?? really?? by swami Please clarify. I thought most sks's were "stamped". Posted on Mar 27 1999, 08:54 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Most are not stamped by Virgil Caine I've only seen one stamped SKS, it was an SKS-D, which accepts standard AK 47 magazines. It was going for $160 3 years ago (shoulda bought it). A few others on this board have reported other models as also being stamped. I guess they must be kind of rare, but I would definately get a price check somewhere before dropping a grand on one (Actually I would not spend that much on any SKS, but that's just me). Posted on Mar 28 1999, 02:09 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not in my Experience by Gunner As a former FFL holder, I sold quite a few SKS's, most of which were stamped. As of about 4 years ago, the going retail price (locally)was about $130 for a stamped and pinned model, and $165 for the milled and threaded model, both chinese. Posted on Jun 02 1999, 01:46 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Godd Heavens man... by hunter47 Buy the gun! Any SKS in good condition is worth $100. Posted on Mar 27 1999, 08:29 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oops! by hunter47 Thought I'd beat the rest of you to the punch...I meant to say "good heavens". Posted on Mar 27 1999, 08:31 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stamped vs. Milled by Gary Guys, I feel as though I'm speaking the obvious, but when SKS rifles are referred to as "stamped" or "milled", it is the trigger group housing that is actually referenced. I've got rifles of both varieties and there is no significant advantage in either type. The milled version might have a slightly stronger trigger guard, but it's not a big deal. I suspect that the SKS-D uses a stamped trigger housing because it's easier to cut and weld the heavy sheet metal (as required for the magazine conversion) compared with the milled steel part. One Thousand Dollars for a stamped SKS? Find me a buyer! Now please, lets not get into the pinned vs. threaded barrel issue. :-) Gary Posted on Mar 30 1999, 07:21 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Find more forums on Firearms Create your own forum at Netbabbler SKS Discussion Forum SKS Discussion Forum This board is dedicated to the discussion of the SKS rifle, feel free to ask all your questions here. I have decided to allow buying and selling of SKS (only)parts and accessories on this board. Send Comments and Questions to Survivor Survival Buy and Sell Forum General Gun Talk AK Discussion Forum -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- First SKS by Vern I just bought my first SKS (Russian). Like all milsurps, the rule is buy a gun...buy a book. So here's my question. Any recommendations for a book on history and care/feeding of my SKS? Vern Posted on Mar 26 1999, 05:48 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The SKS Carbine", (Kehaya & Poyer, North Cape Publishers)... by swami This is the best book I know of, available through several distributors, among them TAPCO. Look at www.tapco.com on their sks page. Happy shooting! Posted on Mar 26 1999, 05:59 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Book by Survivor Here is a good one Video Official Sks Manual : Instrutions for Use and Maintenance of the 7.62Mm Simonov Self-Loading Carbine (Sks) by James F. Gebhardt Posted on Mar 26 1999, 06:30 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Book recommendation by Vern Thanks for the info and the link! Vern Posted on Mar 28 1999, 04:56 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- re: the book I suggested--I forgot to mention..... by swami As thorough and informative as the book is, they unfortunately show the wrong way to install the recoil spring assembly. Se "Mr. Squiggly" postings from March 22. Mr. Squiggly goes in the bolt carrier (as other manuals will show). Enjoy your new rifle. Bet you'll want another soon! Posted on Mar 26 1999, 08:53 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I saw 10 sks's today at a pawn shop...all under $200...no txt. by swami x Posted on Mar 26 1999, 05:26 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- They Might Be a Good "Y2K" Buy/Resell Opportunity... by RUSSki ... or, you could grab a few just-in-case to "gun-up" stubborn friends or relatives who poo-poo your Y2K concerns, but then will surely turn up, crying for food or defense! I myself have a "spare" Chinese mil-surp (not NORSTINKO), and have been tempted to sell/trade it, but a "little voice" says to keep it on JUST IN CASE. Posted on Mar 27 1999, 03:43 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't know which one to buy!... They have 9 Chinese and... by swami an old Russian that has some light rust on it. Among the Chinese there is quite a variety. Two have the "screw in" barrel, several have bayo's, most say Norinco somewhere, and one appears almost unfired--says in very tiny letters along the top of the receiver"7.62 x 39 Sporter", and has bayo, sling, chromed bore, and factory cosmoline--got em down to $165 on it. I need to study my sks literature I guess. I like the new one, but realize it probably is not the best one. Any suggestions? Posted on Mar 27 1999, 05:22 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Does the sporter have...... by john a thumbhole or monte carlo stock on it? Posted on Mar 27 1999, 06:18 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- no thumbhole, etc.--looks like any standard sks, norinco.... by swami importer stamp maybe Phoenix, AZ, nothing out of the ordinary. Posted on Mar 27 1999, 07:46 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hmm thats kinda strange. Maybe someone else could clarify. by john The reason why I ask is because this thing I've seen from the ATF said that SKS Sporter rifles haveing a monte carlo or thumbhole style stock could be imported with detachable magazines after this 922(r) law. I always thought the Sporters were made after this that law? I can see I am wrong on that thinking. Can anyone tell me when Sporters were first made. I always thought there was the paratrooper, chinese military and the Russian kind, Sporters after 922(r). When did they start making them and are they any good compared to the military. Posted on Mar 27 1999, 08:04 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'll try to describe it in detail...... by swami Well, some detail anyway. It looks like any other "pinned" barrel sks, 10-rd fixed and all. It has the "sporter" stamping along the left upper-rear side of the receiver (under the receiver cover). The writing is so tiny you almost need a magnifying glass to see it. Serial # stamped into left side of wood stock where your cheek hits it. Also the sling attachment is right there by serial #. No wear anywhere on the rifle. All parts look brand new. Sock maybe lighter wood than usual. Any help? Posted on Mar 27 1999, 08:51 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nope I'm stumped ntxt by john ssss Posted on Mar 28 1999, 11:55 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sporter by hunter47 Many of the SKS marked "sporter" took the AK magazines. Some call these SKS D models. If this is one of those...jump on it! Posted on Mar 27 1999, 08:18 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wow! Prices gone up! by Timothy I bought my SKS brand spankin' new a couple of years ago for 69 bucks. Screw-in barrel, milled receiver chinese model. Shoots great. I guess the prices have REALLY gone up! Posted on Mar 28 1999, 07:01 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- paratrooper by brandon i plan to buy a new sks paratrooper in the next few days. i know the stock is shorter on this model but is there any other difference in a regulaar sks. also how do you remove cosmoline from the stock? thanks Posted on Mar 25 1999, 09:21 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is what worked best for me ctxt by john Assuming it is a wood stock I used Outer's Nitro Solvent. It didn't do anything to my stock and took all the cosmoline off. It also won't strip the blueing from the gun. Some of the other guys might have different ideas. Posted on Mar 25 1999, 09:49 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- paratroopers by jb brandon, Go back and search previous posts here, and you can learn alot about this gun. The ones I am thinking were dated Dec. maybe page 7 or 8. The barrel is 4 in. shorter on the "trooper". good luck jb Posted on Mar 26 1999, 02:58 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bore may not be hard-chromed on paratrooper....no txt. by swami x Posted on Mar 26 1999, 08:44 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- paratrooper by brandon do all paratroopers accept ak mags? Posted on Mar 26 1999, 10:36 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- paratroopers by Survivor No not all of them take AK mags, the only ones that do are the SKS-D, and you will pay a premium for them, they are upwards of 300 bucks lately, the regular paratrooper is just a shorter (16") version of the carbine, same 10 round box mag. I believe if you scroll through some of the older messages this has been covered before in more depth. Posted on Mar 27 1999, 07:25 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- troopers by jb The ones I've seen had fixed mags, but some may take ak's. The main thing I have against the paratroopers is they took a proven design and altered it, not to improve performance, but to make it look cooler so it would appeal to gun buyers in the USA. jb Posted on Mar 27 1999, 07:28 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- thanks guys by brandon i bought the gun new for $200 and am very pleased with it. Posted on Mar 27 1999, 10:03 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "in the white" by rick I've seen this term used to refer to reconditioned bolts. Could somone please explain this to me? Thanks Rick Posted on Mar 25 1999, 01:05 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In the white by The Confessor "In the white" simply means that the bolt has not been finished (blued, etc.) and is bare metal. Posted on Mar 25 1999, 01:33 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ammo Cache by Doc I have several thousand rounds of good russian ammo that I am storing in .50 cal ammo cans. Is it ok to store them loose or should I keep them in the paper boxes (uses more room this way). Also, I have seen the silica pouches that are supposed to reduce moisture in stored areas...are these ok to use with ammo? If so, where can I order some? Doc Posted on Mar 25 1999, 12:50 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It should be O.K. by john My russian shells have a laqucore seal on the bullet an the primer. If you shells are like this you could store them underwater and the casing would rustout before the powder would get wet. Just store them in a cool dry place and they will be fine. Posted on Mar 25 1999, 06:27 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Also... by RUSSki Contact between dissimilar metals can cause rust. Maybe line the can(s) with double-bagged grocery bags (paper only!). Do not "lube" the ammo! I know someone who "heard" that OILING the ammo lightly for storage was a GOOD thing. Kissed over 500 rounds goodbye. Wipe the ammo clean by rolling the loose rounds about in a clean, lint-free cloth as you put them into the container (don't touch with fingers). Maybe a bit paranoid, but if these lil' guys are going to be in there for a while, don't leave hand/skin oils in there with them. Extreme temperature fluctuations can also kill your ammo. Don't store it close to windows or EXTERIOR walls. Basements and attics are also sources of extreme temperatures and are constantly changing. And don't be reopening and reclosing your supplies very often, as you'll be letting fresh (moist) air in each time. Don't caulk, tape or seal your containers beyond how they already close - especially mil-surp ammo cans. The moisture must escape! Some survuval sites might lead you to some of the heavy duty DESSICANT packets, in which case the containers DO need a good seal! A final thought: Don't but all of your ammo in one big container. Put it into several smaller ones so that you can use some without re-exposing all of your supply to the elements again. Also, your supply will then be easier to move about. MOSTLY, though, let's ALL get busy, and IN ADDITION to scrambling around - buying and stashing stuff like crazed squirrels - let's STOP the madness of GunControl and then we'll always have plenty of stuff AT AFFORDABLE PRICES in the shops! Enough talking, LET'S DO IT, folks! :) Posted on Mar 25 1999, 07:28 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I just thought of this by john If you are really interested in protecting form moisture you should get one of those blocks of hydrosorbent silica gel and put it in what ever your storing your ammo in. Posted on Mar 25 1999, 09:46 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dessicant by Survivor Here is a guy that sells mil-spec dessicant: http://www.fjvollmer.com/webBBS/nfamarket/config.pl?read=1046 Posted on Mar 27 1999, 11:59 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- wts: Chinese 7.62 X 39 Steel Core Ammunition by Aug Legal to sell among individuals, check the current BATF Yellow Guideline Book for you guys that have had your head in the sand all these years. 20 rnds. to a box, $ 13.00 a box + shipping Posted on Mar 24 1999, 05:04 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Super deal!!! by nobody x Posted on Mar 29 1999, 05:51 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HERE WE GO!!!! by guthrie Executive Order on Foreign Made Ammo asked in the TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000) Q&A Forum I stopped off at my local gun range where I'm a member this morning. While there I noticed that all the ammo was being marked up for a third time this week. When I asked why, the owner explained that Clinton had executed an executive order banning the import of foreign made 308 ammo. But customs agents in California were turning away ships regardless of the caliber being carried. Also the owner claimed that legislation has passed in the senate and is before the house to give ammo a shelf life of 6 months. When I stated that it might be time to start doing my own reloading. The owner said that wouldn't work either. Shelf life additive would be in the powder also. Can anyone confirm this? -- Curious (curious@com.com), March 23, 1999 Answers Well if you can't ban the guns..... My question is about "shelf life additive". I've never heard of such a thing in this context. I would find it hard to believe that it exists, and is in use. I say this because of the "Tagens" (sp?) issue of several years ago. Tagens are an identifying microscopic particle that can be included in gun powder & other explosives to help determine where the explosive was purchased and possibly get a "chain of sale". Anyway, there was a furor over its effectiveness, safety, etc. Safety was the biggie. Not much study was done, and obviously if you dilute the explosives with this inert material, ballistics, velocity, and other characteristics would change. To add "shelf life additive" (whatever that is) would have the same effect and I find it hard to believe it can go into the ammunition in a timely manner before Y2K. As for executive order outlawing .308 ammo. Who the hell knows? The whole EO process is totally arbitrary and out of control. Finally, as for legislation before congress. I don't believe it at all. Gunowners of America is a watchdog organization in Washington and the states that keeps track of this kind of stuff. (they're at: http://www.gunowners.org/ ) They don't have anything about this, and they're *very* good at digging this kind of information up. If there's legislation or committee action, it's behind closed doors (which is certainly possible). Jolly -- Jollyprez (jolly@prez.com), March 23, 1999. We're having a hard time getting a case of Russian 7.62 ammo for an SKS, it's been back ordered 3 weeks now. Suppose to be shipped in 7 days, we'll see. -- ScreamingYellowZonkers (ScreamingYellowZonkers@Scream.com), March 23, 1999. Well, nothing like being wrong [probably]. Prompted by this post, I went to a local gun store to buy a magazine (you figure out which kind) and the owner and two customers were talking about this subject. The owner said that he'd been called by his ammunition distributor today to cancel an order. According to the owner, all importation of small arms ammunition is banned from Canada, Mexico, Korea, Russia, Czech Republic (and another country I don't remember). It applies to all sizes, not just .308. The store owner said that prices are already skyrocketing. So my question here is: what is our government afraid of? It prevents law abiding citizens from acquiring ammunition. Aside from it being blatant and illegal, what's next? Several people speculated that domestic ammo controls would be an obvious next step. Naturally, Winchester, Remington, et al wouldn't be put out of business without a fight, but with our government already running amok, who knows? *sigh* 'nuff said. Jolly the rumor-monger. *sigh* -- Jollyprez (jolly@prez.com), March 23, 1999. there is no such thing as "shelf life additive". There were attempts insert tagants into small arms powder, but that is not legal at this time. all tagants do is provide a chemical fingerprint for tracing the source of a specific batch of gunpowder. don't know about the ban on imports. have to see what happens. Arlin -- Arlin H. Adams (ahadams@ix.netcom.com), March 23, 1999. Will call my distributor tomorrow and see if there is any shortages. My order last week came but NOT the 7.62x39. -- y2klay2 (y2klady2@aol.com), March 23, 1999. An additive that decreases "shelf life" of primer or powder seems likely to accelerate the onset of instability. Not a good idea. -- Tom Carey (tomcarey@mindspring.com), March 23, 1999. Any additive designed to reduce the shelf life of ammunition could be easily overcome by freezing the ammunition. The speed of chemical reactions is reduced by about half for every 10 deg. C [18 deg. F] reduction in temperature. This means that six months at 60 Fahrenheit is about four years at 0 Fahrenheit. Or so I see it. -- Ned (entaylor@cloudnet.com), March 24, 1999. Posted on Mar 24 1999, 03:41 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- buy now and save for rainy day by Steve S. Go buy your own ammo from Cole distributors (best price 100rds for $109.00) Any wait and see. But contact your politicains to let them know how you feel. Posted on Mar 24 1999, 09:47 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don't you mean by Capt. Daves 1000rds for $109.00. Don't think $1.00+ a round would sell to quickly. Capt. Daves Posted on Mar 24 1999, 11:31 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cole Dist. by guthrie I called them today, the guy told me they are sold out and didn't know when they could get more. I decided to pay $125 and get a case locally. good luck guthrie Posted on Mar 24 1999, 02:04 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So is this executive order a real deal or just something they are talking about? by john So what is the deal. Did this really happen? Is no more importion of forgien made ammo aloud? I'm confused here. Please help. P.S. I would REALLY appreciate it if someone would answer my One more technical question post. I know one of you guys (as you are all so knowledgeable) has to know the answer to this post. Please enlighten me with the answer as I have done my best to answer all of the questions that I know the answer too. Thanks guys. Take care. :-) Posted on Mar 24 1999, 04:53 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So Far... by Survivor I haven't seen a number for this EO, so I am in the same boat as the rest of you, I only know if it isn't true at this point it will be soon, buy it while you can boys, and give a big thanks to the American ammo producers for making it possible when it does happen... Posted on Mar 24 1999, 05:39 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The Rest Of The Story" by guthrie I went back and copied these new posts, I hope this helps clear things up a bit. guthrie I stand corrected on the existance of a proposed E.O. This from a friend with very reliable sources: > >Importers of Israeli ammo have had their Form 6s rejected, even for stuff >that is on the docks; other importers have had incredible backlogs in >paperwork processing from Commerce. The reason allegedly given is that >the Administration is invoking an old law about military aid, which >states that arms made with "U.S. technology" cannot be imported into this >country. My source tells me this was a law Ruger, Colt & Winchester >lobbied for to make sure that taxpayer dollars were't used to subsidize >their competition. Now comes the Clintonistas saying that this applies >to ammo as well. There is a trade group fighting this thing, but I >haven't been able to find out where or which. > >ALSO, a source at Quantico tells a friend that Clinton has an import ban >on ALL weapons and ammunition from overseas signed and ready to go, but >is just waiting for the right moment....Do you feel a schoolyard massacre >coming on? This is supposed to bring us in line with UN policy on the >ban of all civilian trade in weapons. > >Aside from unimportant details, that's what I know at this point. > -- Arlin H. Adams (ahadams@ix.netcom.com), March 24, 1999. Rumor control- such a wonderful thing. The panic seems to have begun regardless of the facts, and it seems to be exacerbated by y2k concerns. The facts as far as I can determine them: One overseas manufacturer (won't say who) seems to have gotten in official trouble for using US- supplied eqipment to load one particular caliber (5.56mm/.223) for import/commercial sale in the US. That is a no-no, it seems. And they have been scotched for at least a couple of months in supplying any more of that caliber. Which has produced a backlog of orders for everyone else who exports that caliber to the US (and they can still bring theirs in- only one manufacturer is involved), thus causing a snowballing shortage for everyone else since demand has been shifted onto fewer suppliers. And the rumors are causing additional buying of all sorts of initially unaffected calibers as well, which is causing shortages there too. And shortages lead to higher prices. I heard the initial story last Friday and went to checking. Thus the above. BTW, there are more than twenty interesting pieces of legislation pending dealing with ammunition that I found when I went through THOMAS, the Congressional search engine. Most any one of them would be enough to provoke a panic buying spree as well. Take a look... . Ammo shelf life? 20, 30, 40 years given proper storage conditions. No worries about tampering with chemicals in primers or powders, not yet anyway. Some rules to remember: Amateurs talk tactics- experts discuss logistics. It is better to have what you don't need than need what you don't have. (OK, be reasonable.) -- (li'ldog@ontheporch.com), March 24, 1999. Gee, I'm not sure I feel better or worse! :-) One manufacturer of ammo. I always thought this was low-tech, guess I was wrong. I imagine a great amount of the shortages might be also caused by the increased demand. A year ago, I didn't care, and neither did 3 of my friends. Now we're all into stashing. Interesting tidbit on THOMAS. Not sure I can stand the stress. Jolly -- Jollyprez (jolly@prez.com), March 24, 1999. Posted on Mar 24 1999, 06:36 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I just heard that magazines are banned aswell by Michael A friend of mine just told me that aside from ammo he heard that al high-capacity clips of pre-94 manuyfacture are now banned, We can kiss big SKS attached mags goodbuy, and that goes for us with hi-cap 9s. I just bought 2,000 rounds of PMC for my Bushmaster and 500 for my Shotgun (the range could be awful lonesome as these bullet prices go up) I even bought a case of 9mm. The shotgun OO I bought was Fiochi since Sieller and Bellot is already sold out from the catolog I use. Posted on Mar 25 1999, 02:32 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't think they're banned.... yet ctxt by john That's not quite right, unless I really missed a big vote and the media didn't say anything. I saw Diana Fiensin (or however the hell you spell her name) of Cal. was going to introduce a bill to do that.(Would those of you in Cal. in her district please register to vote if you aren't already and do vote. This girl has got to go.) I don't think it has a snowball's chance in hell of getting passed, at least the way Congress is now. Lots of anti-gun bills are always summited but few ever even have a chance to get voted on. Anyone remember the bill that would have had a 1000% tax on 9mm ammo? It got shot to hell, no pun intended. :-) Posted on Mar 25 1999, 04:57 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- With current technology it is.... by john Impossible to limit shelf life for six months. That technology to do that isn't developed yet if it every will be. You just can't get powder and primers to go bad in 6 months verses five months. A while back there were massive shortages of primers because of a big scare like this. Don't believe the hype although it is never a bad idea to have 1000 rounds of ammo on hand. As to the executive order I have no idea. Posted on Mar 24 1999, 11:47 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP ME IDENTIFY MY SKS! by hunter47 OK GUYS, I HAVE TWO SKS (BOTH MADE BY NORINKO) THAT I WOULD LOVE TO GET SOME MORE INFO ON...HERE'S THE DEAL: RILFE #1 IS A MUCH CLEANER RIFLE WITH BAYONET LUG AND HAS THE FOLLOWING MARKINGS: AN OVAL WITH THE # 9696 FOLLOWED BY THREE CHINESE CHARACTERS AND THEN THE SERIAL # 1310322, FOLLOWED BY A VERY FAINT D. AT THE OTHER END OF THE REC. COVER IT READS: SKS 7.62 X 39 NORINKO CHINA POLY USA ATL GA RIFLE #2 IS OF LESSER QUALITY W/OUT A BAYONET LUG AND HAS THE FOLLOWING MARKINGS: A TRIANGLE WITH WHAT APPEARS TO BE G3C INSIDE IT FOLLOWED BY THE SAME THREE CHINESE CHARACTERS AND THEN THE SERIAL # 22039028. AT THE OTHER END OF THE REC. COVER IT READS: SKS 7.62 X 39 MADE IN CHINA BY NORINKO CAI ST ALB VT. ANY HELP IN INDENTIFYING THESE WOULD BE APPRECIATED! Posted on Mar 23 1999, 08:40 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Russian SKS by NHKen I have a few questions , first how can I tell if my SKS has been "re-worked"? Second , what is the approximate value of an unfired , 1953 Tula(arrow in star?) with a chrome bolt , and matching #'s except mag . The rifle has no import marks . And the serial # is 19xx. I have a second Russian SKS , KBI import all matching , unfired as well, black bolt , the stock is laminated , but appears refinished , it is a 1951 Tula , and it looks as if the #'s on the stock were x'd out and new , #'s matching the rest were stamped the serial #is 36xx. What would you guys place rifle # 2's value at ? Thanks in advance for any help . NHKen. Posted on Mar 23 1999, 06:33 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by DaMan NHKen, original stocks were solid birch with ONE stock bolt. Laminated stocks and sometimes solid birch stocks were used on refurbished but have an additional stock bolt behind the trigger guard. Original serial numbers on refurbished will usually be "x"-ed out or ground off and numbers of new weapon stamped on stock. Original bolts are supposed to be blued. Some refurbished are chromed and some blued. Refurbished bolt bodies can often be identified by a rectangle with a diagonal line from corner to corner or a diamond stamped on either side of the bolt body. I have no idea what these pieces would go for in your area. I'm looking for an unfired refurbished or unissued Russian, or an unissued unfired factory 26 Chinese. I would pay $400for a new unissued Russian, $350 for an unfired refurbished Russian, and $300 for an unfired unissued Jianshe. These prices are for pieces in absolute pristine condition, all matching, and all accessories. Regards! DaMan Posted on Mar 24 1999, 08:48 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Think those Russians not refurbished come w/unblued bolts! by DaMan I'm not a "Russian" expert, but this seems like the case. Russian unaltered come with birch stock, one cross bolt and shiny bolt! If you've found otherwise, please let me know! Regards! DaMan Posted on Mar 27 1999, 07:02 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have one too by Steve S. I also have a Tula SKS that is painted black the has all matching ser# but has the rework symbol (a square with a diagonal line thru it). I don't know how much it has been reworked because all matching #. Value of reworks are slightly less that unissued. $280. I think. Posted on Mar 24 1999, 09:51 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TULA SKSs... by RUSSki The 50's Russian SKSs' are great, going all/matching, etc for easily in the $400+ range. There are some right now on GunsAmerica, plus some nice looking Russians on AuctionArms. I just picked up my "baby" - a '52 Tula, all original, with that beautiful unblued, shiny bolt-carrier! The one thing to be wary of with early Russian SKSs' is that some do not have a SPRING on their safety! It is tight by FRICTION only, and can loosen and become unreliable with use. Replacement spring can supposedly be easily added. Will post result of my own efforts to accomplish this. If you want an SKS to add all the "junk" to, then get a good Chinese - don't ruin a nice Russian - especially a Tula! Posted on Mar 28 1999, 08:32 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS vs AK by TENNJED While I have read many things comparing the AK to the AR, I have not read much in comparison between the SKS and AK. I have wondered about the following things 1. Is the SKS recognized as being just as reliable as the AK type weapons? 2. Is the SKS generaly more or less accurate than the AK style weapons? 3. Given that both the SKS and AK rifles sold in the United States are to remain semi-automatic only, is there any distinct advantages to owning an AK over an SKS? Thanks for your thoughts tennjed Posted on Mar 23 1999, 06:27 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ak & sks by Virgil Caine The AK and SKS actualy have very little in common. The AK has a rotating bolt while the SKS has a tilting bolt. AK bolt gas piston is attached to bolt carrier, SKS gas piston independant of bolt carrier. Too many differences to name. I get tighter groups w/ my 20 inch SKS than my 16 inch AK (not all that much diff at 100 yards), your mileage may vary. The main advantage of the AK over the SKS is that all AKs accept widely avaialble detachable magazines of various capacity. Only SKS-D models will accept AK magazines. They are both great rifles, but it's a bit like comparing apples to oranges. Posted on Mar 23 1999, 07:18 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GET BOTH! by hunter47 They are very different rifles...both are fun, so my suggestion is to get at least one of each...WHILE YOU STILL CAN! Posted on Mar 23 1999, 08:29 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by Grant R. Aikin One of the big problems gun owners run into is that they buy weapons without thinking out why they need one. I would advise against buying a military "assault rifle" like the AK or the AR-15. These weapons are fine for national armies with long logistical supply chains but not really well suited for civilians. A "militia man" with a only a 1000 round reserve in his home would be better served to train as a well diciplined rifleman. Buy one SKS for every member of your family and 1000 rounds of factory fresh ammo for each. Practice, practice and practice with it and rotate your ammo supply for freshness. You will find the SKS to be affordable, fun to shoot and more than suited for deffense. Posted on Mar 24 1999, 02:30 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Green-stocked SKS by Gary Grant: Did you ever locate one of those plastic-stocked rifles? If the one referenced on this message board (the AuctionArms rifle) is what you are looking for, I can see why you want one. The AuctionArms description lists it as a K-Sports SKS Paratrooper, probably referring to K-Sports Imports, Inc., 2755 Thompson Creek Rd., Pomona, CA 91767, telephone (909)392-2345. That company was involved in a mid-'90s lawsuit against the U.S., along with B-West and a whole list of importers that were doing business with China. To put it briefly, they lost. Possibly, after losing their supply of rifles and parts, they turned to selling the stocks that they had on hand. I don't know what happened to that company, perhaps someone in California will look it up at the Secretary of State's office. I'd like to find out who made those stocks. Good luck in your search. Gary Posted on Mar 31 1999, 01:36 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Canadian Importer - Who is it? by Doc I have a NORINCO SKS, serial number 2100xxxx (all numbers on the gun match and it is in great condition). The importer that is stamped on the side of the receiver is CSI ONT CANADA. How can I get in touch with them to determine date of import? I bought the gun through private sale and was told it was a preban. Gun has bayo lug and spike bayo and rides in a folding sporter. I'd like to determine if it is really a preban or not. Thanks for the help. Doc Posted on Mar 23 1999, 06:26 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WAIT!!!! YOU MAY NOT WANT TO KNOW IF IT'S PRE-BAN by john Don't find out if it is preban or not because if you find out it is not a preban and don't take off the "bad parts" (bayonet and folding stock) I THINK you are in violation of the law. If you leave the gun the way you bought it and if the stuff ever hits the fan, the person who made the gun like that, not you, was in violation of the law. (Which is a felony.) You may face confinscation of the firearm but you will not be doing any jail time. I could take my sks put lots of "bad parts" on it and sell it as pre-ban. If you bought it from me and for whatever reason the ATF finds that it isn't really preban I am in big trouble not you. You just may end up losing the gun. Now none of this really matters because you can't really tell just by looking at an sks if it is a pre-ban or not. The date of manufacture is unimportant and to find when the gun was imported you would need some time and the serial number. (If you use an illegal gun in a crime for example the police would have time to see if they could charge you with another feloney or not.) Posted on Mar 23 1999, 07:42 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NORINCO ammo by guthrie After having shot lots of Russian ammo with no problems, I got some NORINCO ammo. The last round jammed two seperate times. Anyone out there have similar problem? My SKS is a Russian. thanks guthrie Posted on Mar 23 1999, 05:16 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Reloads safe to use? by Steve S. Will 25.0 grains of RE-7 and IMR 4198 safe to use ? I've read conflicting data and wanted to know if anyone loaded this hot? Thanks Posted on Mar 23 1999, 11:01 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Maybe by john I have seen loads for a this hot used for testing purposes. W680, H4227,and IMR-4227. MIGHT BE better to use because of the faster burn rate of these powders. Check a good reloading manual for loads using these powders. A 123 grain bullet was used with 26.5 of RL-7. The bullet was just under 2300 fps. 25 of IMR 4198 was used to push 130 grain bullet at a little over 2200 fps. On the other hand 23.5 grains of W680 pushed a 123 grain bullet at just over 2400 fps. Some of these loads are at max or near max pressure. Cut 20% off the load and work up from there checking for exess pressure. Good luck. Posted on Mar 24 1999, 04:42 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SCARY STUFF! View this Link... by RUSSki Can anyone be surprised?! http://www.state.ma.us/legis/history/s01070.htm Tip of the iceberg, folks! Get ready to have your guns either heated in a government furnace or heated in your hands! Posted on Mar 22 1999, 08:23 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Did I say Tip of the Iceberg? by RUSSki Check this out (Massachusett Nazis at work) http://www.state.ma.us/legis/comm/j22.htm They have dozens of proposed laws regarding guns, including BB and PaintBall guns. They want to register everyone who BUYS BODY ARMOR, and also non-residents who buy guns and ammunition. To check out pending and proposed "legislation" in your own little corner of Der New Reich, visit: http://www.prairienet.org/~scruffy/f.htm Man, I hope Y2K is the huge axe that whallops the freakin' head right off the ogre we've let loose in this supposedly FREE country! Whack!! Posted on Mar 22 1999, 08:53 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You think that's bad... by Michael I live out in California and I am buying guns as fast as I can. In our election in November they voted in almost all Democrats, the attorney-general, state assembly, Boxer's senate seat, Govenor Grey (ought to be "red") Davis, and of course we stil have Diane Fienstien. The way I see it they are going to suspend the purchase of "assault" weapons and pistols, then the semi-autos, then detachable magazines, then the tube loaders, etc.. They will demand the registration of all firearms and confiscate all machine guns (In Alaska machine gun owners must tell the police in what part of the house their gun is in) The only people who will end up having guns is the government, for better or worse, and criminals. The Federal scene is even worse, Clitler, I mean, Clinton, wants to try to abolish the second amendment for his Chinese and liberal masters. Please excuse the many spelling mistakes. Posted on Mar 23 1999, 03:03 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I feel your pain brother by Oscar Living in california myself its getting harder and harder to buy firearms of any sort nowadays they even classified my sks sporter with factory detachable mag an assult weapon lucky i bought it within the time specified by state law or i would have to surrender it to the authorities for disposal. Posted on Mar 24 1999, 01:14 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Come on, its MA by Simonov Jr Of course they're going to have bed-wetting crap like this in the PRM (People's Republic Of Mass.). That doesn't mean saner and more American states will even consider such foolishness. Not to mention that many states have their own 2nd Amendment in the state constitution. Let Mass. rot on in its own leftist latrine. Posted on Mar 30 1999, 10:33 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- One more technical question. by john OK I was at the sarco website and a saw they had pinned sks barrels for 35 or something like that. 1. Is this a good price for a barrel? 2. How hard is it to replace a pinned barrel? Is it a do it yourself job or should it only be attempted by a gunsmith. 3. I know that arms and ammo are no longer imported from China. Are Russian sks parts (I know sks can't be brought into the U.S.A. anymore) still being imported and would they work with the chinese sks? Thanks for the help. Posted on Mar 22 1999, 08:15 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- OK I'm reach-en here but... by Spud Let me start out I’m not an RKI on this re-barreling subject. Just give you my thoughts. (I’m trying here).. Good price? Dun-no.. Does not seem all that high. Re-barreling? I only know about my rifles and friends that I have worked on. I have never seen a pinned barrel, as I do not own one.. But,Pinned Would make me think this would be a press-fit type thing. If it is, this would be a job for a pro.(good smith) and I think you would have a head space issue to deal with. It has a locking shoulder some-what like the FAL in that it bolt tilts and drops into lock-up. With different mix match stuff I would think you would need some hand fitting. Please agen I’m not a pro. (just trying to help here.) When I hear the word pinned, I think of stamped receivers. I know this is not the issue here.. But the pin would probably be inserted at a specific torque at tdc On parts I see alot of parts in TAPCO or is it.sarco..... awww-heck when I get home all look at some of the flyers that I get. but I do think you can get the Chin. parts. later tater PS If you can get the catalogs from venders they all ways have more stuff than their webs show. hth Posted on Mar 25 1999, 09:28 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- heair-tiz by Spud Yes it was Tapco. Go to the site and request a catalog much more stuff in it. http://www.tapco.com/ Also try GUNPARTS.... Well now...That ones at work! get it for ya tomarrow, sorry. Gunparts I think is out of Canada. They have a little bit of everything. AND If they don't have it they will do their best to find it. Heck one time they ask me to draw a picture of a part I needed. Posted on Mar 25 1999, 02:48 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gunparts Corp. by Spud Gunparts web page http://www.gunpartscorp.com/ E-mail is info@gunpartscorp.com Agen get the catalog . HTH later tater Posted on Mar 26 1999, 09:50 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My SKS - info by Andy K. I'm curious as to the historical info on my SKS. It's a Norinco Type 56, marked SKS 7.62X39MM MADE IN N.J.CHINA EXP BY NORINCO GZ. Further up the receiver there is a triangle with some strange symbol inside, three Chinese characters, and the serial number 220055XX. I got it new in the box from Century Int'l Arms when they were still in Canada with the bandoleer, oil bottle, and cleaning kit for around $83.00 including tax. It's got the spike bayonet, cleaning rod, and everything. It came with a flush 5-round magazine stamped with the serial number, and a dark brown/reddish colored stock (which I replaced with a black folder, but I kept the original). Anyone know anything about my gun? I'd love to know when and where it was made, if it was used by someone, interesting features, etc. Thanks. --Andy K. Posted on Mar 22 1999, 07:32 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Green Synthetic Stocked SKS SIGHTING... by RUSSki AuctioArms currently has one up at auction. Do a site-search for "SKS" and I think it's listed as a "Paratrooper". Has a weird sideways picture of a guy holding the AWESOME looking SKS. Wish I had some cash! :( Posted on Mar 22 1999, 07:18 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AuctionArms.com... duh! no text by RUSSki . Posted on Mar 22 1999, 07:19 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Item #5682490, I just HAD to Bid on this, Bay-Bee! by RUSSki But whoo-wee, it's up there! It's parkerized with the green zytel stock, looks GREAT! I KNOW that it's HIGH for an SKS, but it is unique, and it comes down to how bad you want something, I guess. I'll try to make their reserve, so "bring money"1 And WOW, is AuctionArms running SLOW or what! Posted on Mar 22 1999, 07:56 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here we go again--how to position recoil spring?..2 views..... by swami Now that we have decided "Mr. Squiggly" goes forward (into the bolt carrier), swami reads in the North Cape Publication book "The SKS Carbine" (by Kehaya and Poyer) that it goes the OTHER way! Here is a quote from that book: "The recoil guide tube is 0.366 inches in outside diameter by 4.2 inches long. It has a lip 0.5 inches in diameter formed at the front or MUZZLE END." Accordindly, the photos in the back of the book show "Mr. Squiggly" pointed BACKWARD, toward the rear of the gun! Compare this with the OTHER sks manual I have which says to "Be certain to reinstall recoil spring with C-Clip end forward". This means "Mr. Squiggly" forward, like DaMan says. WHO is the AUTHORITY on this? I'm leaning toward what DaMan said. Posted on Mar 22 1999, 11:14 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mr.Squiggly by Tater Using the bolt as the housing to keep Mr. Squiggly inline. This does seem to make the most sense, and is the way I’m set-up. Here is the thing that troubles me with this set-up. The pin that is in the recoil (holds it all together) is held in place by tension. The pin is also on the side of Mr. Squiggly. The likelihood of creating the slack needed for the pin or c clip to slip by is much greater when placed at the front. Has never happened but man,... that would be a bear to get back together. later tater Posted on Mar 22 1999, 03:05 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Try this experiment with Mr. Squiggly! by DaMan Gents, Kahaya and Poyer's book is THE BEST available for collectors! But even experts make mistakes occasionally! Do not believe me! Try this experiment! Remove carrier, recoil spring assembly, and the receiver cover. Turn the bolt carrier upside down and insert recoil spring it's hole in the carrier...Mr. Squiggly first! With receiver cover upside down, align reciever cover slots with bolt carrier slots and compress slightly (like it would fit on the assembled weapon). Fully compress and release recoil spring by pushing carrier back and forth into receiver cover and observe for symptoms of spring binding. Next do the same experiment with Mr. Squiggly facing the rear (receiver cover). What are your findings? Regards! DaMan Posted on Mar 22 1999, 11:35 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mr. Squiggly, the friend of SKS owners everywhere by Nick I still laugh every time someone mentions Mr. Squiggly. Whoever came up with that, I have no idea, but I still do a double take and laugh every time I read it. I also laugh harder when I think of an Anti reading stuff on here about people explaining how to assemble a weapon by saying "Mr. Squiggly goes in first...". They probably have no clue what to think after reading that! Maybe they will get the impression that every part of every gun we own has a name, and you have to be a schitzophrenic (sp?) lunatic to assemble a firearm! Posted on Mar 23 1999, 12:53 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eh, More Likely... by RUSSki They are sniffing around, trying to see what bloodthirsty, violent Whackos we "are". So, when they "see" us talking about safety and the ever-cute and cartoonish Mr Squiggly, then they must indeed frown. We aren't being the way they want us to be, and BOY! does that P-word them off. I like it. I really do. Tell you what - as a cartoonist, I think I'll draw-up a Mr Squiggly character and get it scanned. I'll distribute it for free when available. I post when that is the case! Posted on Mar 23 1999, 08:50 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- better check with BATF--graven images of "Mr. Squiggly " may be illegal! by swami Sorry, I couldn't resist. Posted on Mar 24 1999, 06:37 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for new or used 20 Rd.Fixed SKS Mag. by Al Benecki Looking for a place to buy a new or used 20 round fixed mag.I can't see paying over $20.00 for it.Called Century"out of stock".Can get 30 round detachable all day long for $20.00.Any suggestions?Or if you have one laying around and you want to sell it E-mail me with price.Al Posted on Mar 21 1999, 10:11 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20 rnd. fixed by guthrie Al, Try tapco.com I think they have them for $19 guthrie Posted on Mar 22 1999, 02:12 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20 rnd clip by dave where can you get a 30 round for $20 Posted on Mar 22 1999, 06:57 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by Al Benecki Can get them thru,Sportsman Guide 800-888-3006,Gander Mountain,and a few on the NET have the USA detachable 30 round for around $20.00 plus postage.Al Posted on Mar 22 1999, 09:19 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Get the twenty rounder by john I have never seen a twenty rounder at a gun store in my area. The Sportsmans Guide is the only place I have seen them. The thirty's were going for 40 bucks a piece at last check at a few gun stores. Did pick up one of the last 10/22 25 rounders going new for about 35 bucks at that store so I don't think they are that over priced considering what they were selling for at auction arms. They twenty round detachables are a little less cumbersome in the prone position (so I'm told). They thirty rounders are about 2 inchers or so longer than the twenties. It doesn't seen like much but it does make a noticalbe differance. (So I'm told) Fifty rounders were going for only 36 bucks. This is the only catalog I have seen that sells sks high capacity mags. The fifty rounders are some heavy mags when fully loaded. Might make prone shooting hard but they look neat. Once again legality of installing is a whole differant story. See page two or three for that issue. Please don't use the space on this area. (Not that it isn't a good question or anything but it has already been addressed several times and I hate to keep talking about the same thing. The disscussions got pretty lengthy.) Posted on Mar 22 1999, 08:30 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Got it! by Al Benecki Called Cheaper Than Dirt"only had 30 round fixed and jacked up price from $19.00 to $30.00 and must be backordered."Sportsman Guide had only 30 and 20 round USA brand detachable for around $20.00 and must be backordered.Naecheze had 30 round USA brand for $20.00 also.Classic Arms had Zentel 30 round detachable for $15.00 and USA brand 30 round detachable for $19.00.Tapco doesn't have ANY mags for SKS.Found 20 round fixed at Tennesse Valley Arms for $15.00 phone number 423-577-1939 and they have them in stock.Thanx for everybodys help.Al Posted on Mar 23 1999, 09:31 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TAPCO Correction by Capt. Daves Just recieved my TAPCO paper today. Page 4 left hand side. 5 Rd. Detatchable $14.99 30 Rd. Detatchable $21.99 20 Rd. Fixed $18.99 Bit on the high side but they are there. Capt. Daves Posted on Mar 23 1999, 07:44 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- re: TAPCO 30-rd detachables.... by swami I have obtained quite a few items from tapco and am generally pleased with them. However, I did return three 30-rd detachable sks mags recently. The mags were made by ProMag, and the quality was less than satisfactory.. The mags were similar to the USA's in appearance, but not as well crafted. They appeared to be AK mags with an sks adaptation tack welded to the tops. Two of the tops were welded on noticeably crooked to one side. The steel followers (a great idea, but...) jammed the bolt open after the last round was emptied but did NOT engage the bolt-stop lever. Thus, when removing the mag the bolt slammed shut. ALSO, I experienced jams when attempting to chamber the first round. I don't recommend the ProMag detachables for your sks. Hope this helps. Posted on Mar 24 1999, 06:54 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- General Gun Talk by Survivor Just follow the link at the top of the page and add it to your bookmarks, Thanks, Survivor Posted on Mar 21 1999, 07:19 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- C.D.I. Swan. VT by Rebel My SKS was imported by C.D.I. Swan. VT. Does anyone have a website for them? Does anyone have any information about them? Posted on Mar 21 1999, 07:04 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- metal lube? by jojo what are good oils/lubes for wipeing down a gun after the metal has been stripped of any previous protection? ive been using wd-40 and it doesnt seem to be doing the job Posted on Mar 20 1999, 08:08 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by Grant R. Aikin WD-40! Yikes! WD-40 is way to thin to protect your rifle and after about 40 rounds probably won't lubercate it either. I think your best bet would be "Breakfree" also sold (quite cheaply) on the surplus market as govt. issue CLP (Cleaning, Lubercating, Protectant). It is what the US Armed Forces uses. Posted on Mar 20 1999, 09:25 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MILITEC-1... by RUSSki There is a link to LOADS of great info on Militec-1 @ this address: http://www.ktog.org/ Scroll down once there and you'll see a reference to this excellent lubricant! Posted on Mar 20 1999, 09:32 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- gun oil by guthrie I know a guy that swears by autmatic transmission fluid. I've never tried it, but I guess I would if I got in a jam. Any other opinions on ATF (the red oil, not our wonderful friends) Posted on Mar 21 1999, 04:40 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- metal lube by blipblip Have not tried all the new 'hi-tech' lubes, but Breakfree CLP has protected all my firearms (and lots of other metal objects) since about 1980. I found 2 pints of military labeled equivalent at a flea market a couple of years ago forn $1.00-- should last me the rest of my life. Posted on Mar 21 1999, 07:10 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by Capt. Daves Over a year ago I sprayed everything down with dry graphite lubercant. Other than swabbing out the barrel all I do is wipe it down and reassimble. I've not had burp or hiccup one from it. Capt. Davis Posted on Mar 21 1999, 07:44 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lube (wd-40 is a no no) by Tater The best stuff for wiping down a firearm. A good cylicone based lube spray. lots of brand on the market. (Rem. oil is cylicone based if that makes you feel better) One thing to remember. Oil traps grit and dust. (WD-40) Will in time gum up with age and can act as a solvent on some finishes. The cylicone will dry leaving a slick protective film. OH and Automatic Transmission Fluid is used as an bore-cleaner not a lube. If you leave it on a finish it will cause surface rust. very caustic to a blued finish (on a side note) if you have a new parkerized finish and would like that old greenish/gray look of the older mill/spec. guns put some on a towel wrap it up for a few months. instant old. refinish trick. HTH tater Posted on Mar 22 1999, 04:03 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My two-cents on lubes... by The Confessor I've had quite a bit of experience with lubricants under many different operating conditions from automobiles, firearms, extrusion dies and various other applications. Here are my views on the firearms issue: WD-40 is fine for cleaning REALLY nasty stuff off of moving parts in a gun that's been abused but you must clean thoroughly after using it. It is NOT a good lubricant under high temp, high pressure situations and will literally evaporate under the conditions present in a semi-auto firearm like an SKS. Also, it will literally BREAK DOWN other lubricants!! If not completely cleaned (any number of commercial gun cleaners, Simple Green or denatured alcohol wouldwork best) a gun with WD-40 on it will tend to reject other lubes. My suggestion: DO NOT USE! Silicone based lubes have two major drawbacks: they are quite viscous and the attract dirt like a magnet. Silicone lubes are great for protection during long term storage, but the viscosity that makes them effective can be detrimental to firearm performance in colder climates where many silcon lubes can become tacky. Silcones also are generally not effective in a firearm due to heating problems. Silicones (even high temp silicones) lose their viscosity at temps over 400 degrees F and will literally be blown out of the gun when you fire. My suggestion: great for storage, acceptable for warm climates on guns that you aren't going to run a large number of rounds through before cleaning (as long as you clean and re-lube EVERY time you fire.) My suggestion? Synthetic and teflon based lubes. Make sure the lubricant is one that will bond to the surface of the metal being lubricated leaving a very slick surface. These lubes are virtually impervious to the heat levels generated in a firearm. They are applied as a liquid and they dry on the surface so they do not attract dirt like "wet" lubes will. They are also perfect for cold weather usage since they form VERY thin films on surfaces which allows for lubrication without the gumming and jamming associated with most lubricants. Break Free CLP which is widely recommended has the drawback of only remaining an effective lubricant for about 60 days, after which it can dry and become a real pain in the butt. Break Free is a good cleaner and would be useful on a firearm that was used and cleaned regularly, but I would not use it under extreme cold climate conditions or for rarely used firearms. I use Militec-1 and Slip It almost exclusively on my firearms. Militec-1 is a synthetic lube that forms a molecular bond with the surface of the metal and retains it's lubricating properties almost indefinately, so I use that quite liberally. On the trigger mechanism I use "Slip It!" which has the advantage of being a very low-density liquid that pentrates tight areas in moving mechanisms well, then dries COMPLETELY. It actually lowered the trigger-pull on my one SKS by nearly 1/2 pound the first time I used it! Just my thoughts on the issue... Posted on Mar 24 1999, 02:33 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Militec-1 and Slip It where? by jojo can these be ordered online? or what chain stores carry them? Posted on Mar 25 1999, 10:23 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for all the good info by guthrie I,ve only known about this board for a week. You all have answered alot of questions that I have. I bought a '52 russian "TULA" for $165 a couple months ago, my first SKS and fell in love with it. I,ve been reading how prices vary and they are on the way up. I wasn't really looking for another SKS...today I found a '54 "TULA" NIB never been fired for $275...used the rent money, hope the wife understands. Posted on Mar 20 1999, 08:00 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thats what we are here for....CTXT by Survivor Come on back and contribute what you can, learn what you can and most of all enjoy your SKS! Posted on Mar 20 1999, 08:29 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- jams & muzzle breaks by Freebird Help, I purchased a Russian SKS last October and can't seem to work out the bugs. I haven't had the time shoot it much, but the several times I have, I had jamming problems. There doesn't seem to be a pattern in the jams,or any evidence of mechanical wear. I installed a 30rd mag(USA), and noticed that the clip doesn't fit in easily. I am almost certain this is the root of the problem, but can't figure out how I am engaging it incorrectly. Sometimes she'll unload a mag no problem, others aren't so graceful, How well do your detachable mags fit?(I'd like to keep the hi cap mag) Also I'd like to hear opinions on muzzle breaks. How effective are they? legal w/blade&30rdmag? Appreciate all input. P.S. Great site Survivor Posted on Mar 20 1999, 03:45 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Did you say USA brand magazine? by DaMan Put the original 10 rd. factory fixed mag back on! Regards! DaMan Posted on Mar 20 1999, 06:05 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Leave well enough alone! by hunter47 Put the 10rd clip back in and learn how to use the stripper clips. With practice you will be just as effective and the gun won't jam. As for the muzzle break, unless you can thread it on, forget it. Everyone will give you a different answer as to the legalities, but the bottom line is that the pin on ones can come off during firing...the difference is hardly noticeable...and finally, it's not worth it. The beauty of the SKS is that is works so well, yet is so simple. Keep it that way and you will be much happier with it. Posted on Mar 20 1999, 07:08 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do electroplated bullets need to be lubricated?nt by Brandon nt Posted on Mar 20 1999, 12:33 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Reloading 7.62x39 by tennjed Shooters I own a Russian SKS which has what appears to be an excellent bore. In the past I have hesitated to consider reloading 7.62x39 ammo for the following reasons: 1. Surplus ammo is cheap and plentiful 2. My SKS, the only rifle I own chambered for this round, scatters spent casings so widely over the countrside that I fear my recovery rate would be extremely low. 3. I do not personally know any other shooters who have any experience reloading 7.62x39 who can give me any advise on whether or not there are any substantial rewards,in the area of accuracy, in reloading this round for this rifle. Have any of you folks found that reloading for these rifles substantially improves accuracy? Tennjed Posted on Mar 20 1999, 12:07 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I do it because... by Brandon I dont like wasting brass, I already have all equipment and I got some dies at a gunshow for 12 bucks. Take a piece of thin shimstock about 5" long and 3" wide, stick it between the wood and the reciever on the left side of the rifle and bend it over to make a quicky shell deflector until you can buy a fancy one if you want it. this makes mine easier to pick up than my 9mm pistol brass. Posted on Mar 20 1999, 12:37 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- supplies by jojo brandon what do you use? what powder what primers what brass? what brand dies? Posted on Mar 20 1999, 10:00 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- early sks? by bill i just bough a used sks and would like some info on it. i would like to know the year it was make ect. the following is printed on the gun" sks 7.62x39 made in china by norinco cai st alb vt" the gun also has a triangle with the number 26 inside it. the serial number is 10424xxx. thanks for the help Posted on Mar 19 1999, 10:48 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jianshe military! by DaMan Bill, tell me what you paid, condition, all accessories included, all matching ser.#s?! Year of manufacture is 1965. I would guess that the sling is mounted on the bottom and not on the side?! I've got one a little older than yours, but made the same year. It's a real "wringer" with quality ammo! What does it have printed on your canvas sling? Leave it AS IS PLEASE! Regards! DaMan Posted on Mar 20 1999, 12:27 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- re by bill i paid 164.00 the gun is in really good condition. all numbers match they are ingraved in the reciever, factory mag, and stock. the sling, and cleaning kit are m.i.a. but i plan to buy new ones. what is the gun worth? i have 2 30 round clips, 200 round of ammo, and a new stock on the way, but i plan on keeping the factory one also Posted on Mar 20 1999, 08:11 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Try it as is! by DaMan Bill, I couldn't tell you what it's worth. Prices vary by region. But I can tell you, that it's worth more than what you paid for it. You have an original, made for the PLA, weapon. I'd be very reluctant to alter it permanently in any way! Give it a try AS IS using quality ammo and strippers. They work pretty good and load pretty fast as is. Congradulations! DaMan Posted on Mar 20 1999, 11:22 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by bill what is the pla? Posted on Mar 20 1999, 08:52 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PLA by DaMan Peoples Liberation Army. Posted on Mar 20 1999, 08:58 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- re by bill is this rare or more valuable than other sks's Posted on Mar 20 1999, 09:33 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Factory 26 by DaMan Not rare but more desirable than the "for export" models! Usually good shooters! Regards! DaMan Posted on Mar 20 1999, 10:10 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have one NIB by Dean it is a KSI import still in the box, tell me what this is worth, it has a few handling dings on the stock and hand guard, all matching numbers, and a little scuffing on the mag, I picked it up a couple of years ago and stuck it in the back of the safe, I just pulled it out to check it out, it still has cosmoline on it, the stock looks like dark hardwood, serial #1100####, also what year was it made? Posted on Mar 24 1999, 12:26 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pistol Grip by DTE Does anyone have any information on quality and installation of the screw on pistol grip sold at www.rifletech.com. Posted on Mar 19 1999, 12:40 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: Pistol Grip by Capt. Daves I think I'd check a little more before buying & installing one. They fit nicely into that Big Brother (Ack) catigory called "ILLEGIAL" Capt. Daves Posted on Mar 19 1999, 10:01 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- YAH! OBEY DER bATF MASTERS of the Freakin' Universe... by RUSSki ... as long as we OVER 60,000,000 gun-owners let them, vermin like Chuckie Schemer and Diane FrankenFeinstein are going to keep the over 30,000 and growing number of gun-laws GROWING. You can't even install WHAT? A little plastic or wooden PISTOL-GRIP? We as a group sit on our fat you-know-whats. The American people in-general do likewise. Together we're all suffering the bloated, oppressive government that we richly DESERVE. Here is the simple SOLUTION to all of the "Can I Install This?" type posts: NO! YOU CAN'T INSTALL ANY F'N THING, PERIOD. SHUT UP AND DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT. HECK, JUST THROW YOUR FREAKIN' GUN INTO A GOVT. FURNACE FOR CRYIN' OUT LOUD. The sad truth remains - that if we as a force of over 60,000,000 adults won't take peaceful action to protect our guns, then where will we find the SPINES to actually FIGHT for our guns should it come to that? Sorry, stick a fork in our fat A-words... we are DONE. Posted on Mar 19 1999, 11:46 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well Said CTXT by Survivor If we all got off our butts and actually wrote to our congress persons, they would have no choice but to listen, but unfortunately most people are content to just sit and snivel about how we are losing our rights, but they fail to attempt to do anything about it. remember there's strength in numbers, united we stand, divided we fall! Posted on Mar 20 1999, 08:32 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Swami sees into future?.... by swami I was out shooting the sks the other day in the country, legally of course. I was near a seldom used gravel road which connects two county roads. Out of the corner of my eye I saw a vehicle approaching, about a half-mile away, that had a rack of lights on top, not flashing. My heart rate increased as I rapidly unloaded and removed the 30-rd detachable magazine. I pushed the mag under a towel I had lying there. As the deputy passed he smiled and waved, seeming completely uninterested in me since he recognized me and my truck. As he drove on away it occured to me that I had experienced the possible near future, a time when we will be afraid to go shooting at cans in the country for fear of arrest and imprisonment. Did Swami see into the future. I pray not! Happy shooting to all! Posted on Mar 20 1999, 05:26 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MIGHT be OK. Hope this helps. by john The seperate pistol grip is a big no no with post ban (922r) AK-47 type rifles. Now from what research I have done I think you would be OK to put one on you sks. Folding stocks even before the crime bill are big no no's with the sks because of 922(r). (I'm going by what I pick up from the ATF). They didn't put that this was illegal in the thing I got. Cheaper than Dirt and Cablea's sell folding style stocks that don't fold with pistol grips. Now I know that just because someone sells something doesn't make it legal but I can't find anything saying that it is illegal. If in doubt write or call the atf. If for whatever reasons(and, hey, I understand) you don't want to contact them you go at your own risk. Posted on Mar 23 1999, 07:54 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS ambidextrous safety lever? by Bill Anybody know where I can find on the safeties that have a lever on both sides of the trigger guard? Anyone ever installed one? Thanks Posted on Mar 18 1999, 09:21 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by Tom in NM I think Tapco carries these. They have a web site at http://www.tapco.com/web/page01/cover.htm Posted on Mar 18 1999, 11:01 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CAREFUL! MIGHT just be ILLEGAL (snicker) >:> no text by RUSSki . Posted on Mar 19 1999, 11:48 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Actually... by Survivor I think this is one of the few modifications you are allowed to make. Posted on Mar 20 1999, 06:35 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Instructions for Anodizing Aluminum by Nick You guys may or may not be interested in this info, but I was looking for it as I was making my SKS scout scope mount. I posted it on my web page, check it out if you are interested. It is cheap to do, too. http://homepages.udayton.edu/~jacobsnj/anodize.htm Posted on Mar 18 1999, 07:00 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Find more forums on Firearms Create your own forum at Netbabbler SKS Discussion Forum SKS Discussion Forum This board is dedicated to the discussion of the SKS rifle, feel free to ask all your questions here. I have decided to allow buying and selling of SKS (only)parts and accessories on this board. Send Comments and Questions to Survivor Survival Buy and Sell Forum General Gun Talk AK Discussion Forum -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- mount&mag. by mike Is there a source out there for the side mount that fits on the little dovetail on the paratrooper? also can you still buy conversion kits to use ak mags? thanks Posted on Mar 18 1999, 06:29 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Conversion kit by Survivor The only kits out there don't actually use AK mags, and they aren't worth the money they cost, the only way to actually use AK mags is to get an SKS-D, as far as the scope mount I really have no idea, maybe someone else here can help with that. Posted on Mar 18 1999, 06:45 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Williams Sights by The Confessor Just wondering if anynody here has tried out any of the Williams rear sights and/or Firesights on their SKS?? I *love* aperature sights and would like to know if anybody has tried their rear sights out? How is the quality? How about the Firesights? I'm just asking because the price is VERY reasonable, so I'm concerned that the quality might be just a bit poor. Thanks in advance... Posted on Mar 18 1999, 03:38 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- williams sights by 45phil 'tho have not modified my SKSes, I have used Williams sights on a number of rifles. They are inexpensive but excellent sights. Williams is an old and reputable company. Posted on Mar 18 1999, 07:37 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- nice sights by hunter47 Had some on an old Ithica Arms .22 LR...Great sights for the money. Posted on Mar 18 1999, 08:11 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I like mine by Anonymous I got one for my ak and a friend of mine has one on his sks and after shooting these I am thinking of changing from a scope to the williams on my sks.Thay just need a little lock tight Posted on Mar 18 1999, 08:33 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Recoil Buffer & Muzzle Break by Doc Has anyone installed a recoil buffer in their SKS receiver cover? Can you tell any difference in the way the gun shoots? Does the increased recoil spring compression created by the installation of one of these(although not much) cause any problems? What about a muzzle break...does it help in reducing muzzle climb? It's difficult to maintain sighting and squeeze off several fast rounds. Thanks Doc Posted on Mar 17 1999, 08:13 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Recoil Buffer by Me Doc- I installed a recoil buffer, and I haven't noticed any recoil difference. But, I have noticed a definite sound difference (less "metal on metal" "click" sound). When I looked at the back of my receiver cover I COULD see a noticable imprint where the bolt carriage strikes the back of the cover, so a feel the the claim the it reduces wear does hold some water (but it could be a very small amount). I, too, worry about the reduced travel back to rest before the bolt returns. I have had 2-3 jams in the last 500 rounds, but I cannot say if this is unusual... I generally fire approx 100 rounds a session and clean my gun the same day. On the muzzle break, my only advice is have a gunsmith do it (and warranty the install). The range I shoot at claims that every week a couple of muzzle breaks that are attached SLIGHTLY off true are LAUNCHED downrange. I can all too easily see how this could happen. I would love to hear more info on both subjects. Me Posted on Mar 17 1999, 10:03 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- re: muzzle brake.... by swami I recently had a chance to compare an sks fitted with a muzzle brake to one without. I did notice a reduction in muzzle rise that I consider to be beneficial. HOWEVER, several years ago I was firing a friends sks with muzzle brake when the damn thing left the muzzle along with the bullet! The bullet came nowhere near the target and the brake was nowhere to be found. It was a bad feeling to say the least, but no apparent damage to the gun. A friend of mine has his muzzle brake tack welded to the barrel. Posted on Mar 18 1999, 08:38 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have a recoil buffer by john I have a buffer from www.buffertech.com. No metal clang when the bolt goes back. No problems with jams or anything. Doesn't seem to reduce recoil much, and I don't know about wear and tear on the gun but, hey, for 10 bucks what do you have to lose. Posted on Mar 23 1999, 07:27 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Any experience with the Red Fiberglass stocks? by Bill Anybody have the Red Fiberglass stocks for the SKS? Are the lighter than the wood stocks? How "red" are they? (orange?) Posted on Mar 17 1999, 06:54 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The ones I've seen ... by Virgil Caine are closer to burgandy than red, definately not orange. They may be lighter than wood, but not noticeably so. Posted on Mar 17 1999, 07:50 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RE: purchase of an SKS by Michael I went to the TS gun show and bought a Bushmaster and Mossberg 590. I looked at many of their SKS's I am thinking of buying a Russian blade bayonet bearing SKS that is dated 1953 and has no visible English on it (I saw a new Chinese SKS with "made in China" for $250, the Russian gun apears to be in servicable condition and I intend to have him strip the gun down for me so I can have a closer look. Is his price to high, should I go with the new chinese rifle? I bought my Mossberg 590 for $400 with all the bells and whistles, which would you all rather have, a nine shot 12 guage pump with ghost ring parkerization and bayonet lug and speedfeed stock, or the slightly less pricey handsome SKS. Posted on Mar 17 1999, 03:57 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eh, for the Money... by RUSSki I'd have to say the Mossberg. It can't hurt to have this modern, reliable, and versatile workhorse on-hand for whatever "critter control" that may arise. Personally, I LOVE the early 50s' TULA ARSENAL SKSs, and paid a LOT for one recently, but only because I WANTED it a lot. You can have your cake and eat it, too, by having your great-sounding Mossberg, and then get a $200-250 range Chinese SKS. Look for the "Military Surplus" originals, NOT the "Norinco" stamped ones. Other SKS-troopers on this board can tell you what specifically to be on the lookout for. Such a gun is NOT a "Tula", but it isn't the mass-produced-for-export gun, either. It WILL be a darn good SKS, worth every penny, and a worthy companion to your Mossberg. :) Posted on Mar 17 1999, 10:17 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by Michael The Chinese SKS did say "made in China" in English, so I am not to impressed by it, but i wonder if the 1953 bayoneted Russian SKS I was looking at is over priced or a great deal. Posted on Mar 18 1999, 02:40 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- almost "apples and oranges" there.... by swami If I could only have one of the guns I'd have to go with the Mossberg for versatility. But you gotta have an SKS, my friend. Life just wouldn't be the same without it! Come to think of it, I can't imagine having just one sks! Posted on Mar 18 1999, 08:48 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A-Men Brother by Capt. Daves For rugged durability, you just sant go rong with an SKS. I own 2 myself. Posted on Mar 18 1999, 09:03 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is the price right? by Michael I already bought the Mossberg and am satified with it, what I really want to know is if the price, 350, is good or bad for a 1953 SKS in 'good' condition. I'll seet the dealer Wednesday and know I will eventually buy a SKS, but just want to know if his price is fair. Posted on Mar 19 1999, 03:30 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: Is the price right? by Capt. Daves Is this SKS a Russian or Norinco? These days that'll make a fairly large diffrence in pricing. Still though I don't think I'd pay $350.00 for an SKS in "GOOD" condition. Capt. Daves Posted on Mar 19 1999, 09:36 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Russian SKS by tennjed If you pay $350 for that Russian SKS you will be paying top dollar. It should be a flawless gun and you should get assurance from the dealer that you may return it if it does not function properly. tennjed Posted on Mar 20 1999, 09:23 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by hunter47 I have recently seen good RUSSIAN SKS's at gun shows for as low as $229. I even saw a pretty decent one for $189 (I wish I would have bought that one), so I'd have to say that $350 is a little steep. Posted on Mar 20 1999, 07:17 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- re: wobbly detachable mags.... by swami I recall a previous concern or two about detachable magazines "wobbling" a lot. I didn't like the wobble myself, so I wrapped some duct tape around the tang (the extension of the mag that locks it in under the barrel) and it cured the "wobbles". Bore solvent should easily remove any gummy residue when the tape comes off. Black electrical tape should work as well. Posted on Mar 17 1999, 02:24 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS or French MAS 49/56 in .308?? by Nick I will throw this out and see what ya think. Price to buy new is close. Both are "new" (arsenal refinished). MAS has .308, but SKS has more mags available. What do ya think?? Posted on Mar 17 1999, 09:27 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In my unbiased opinion! by DaMan Nick, I love the .308 Win. cartridge! Having said that, you've got to ask yourself: 1. How much praise have you heard about the reliability of the MAS conversions (I've heard nothing but tales of woe!)? 2. Are the MAS conversions more accurate than the SKS? 3. Are accessories readily available for the MAS? 4. Have the French won a war in recent history? I admit, I am biased toward the SKS, so get a second, third, and fourth opinion from Survivor, Bailout, and Rich Gould! ;-) Regards! DaMan Posted on Mar 17 1999, 12:41 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MAS vs SKS by Survivor Its no contest, I would take the SKS every time, now for my reasons. 1. Parts availability 2. Accessories 3. Reliability 4. I just LOVE the SKS rifle Posted on Mar 17 1999, 02:39 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ammo is cheap too..... by john The price of ammo. Cheapest .308 I can find is about $5.00 for 20. Cheapest sks that I can find is 1.99 for twenty. You might beable to find some .308 cheaper but I doubt any cheaper than an sks. Now if you shoot only 1000 rounds of ammo. Look at the differances. Sks you spend 100 bucks. In the .308 you spend 250, which works out to 150 dollar differance. Shoot 2000 rounds you save enough money to buy another sks. Thats how I like to look at it. Posted on Mar 17 1999, 07:44 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- if it shoots good groups by BerettaMOD96 go with the .308....the .308 is a lot more powerful than the ballistic pipsqueek 7.62X39. there will probably be more problems with parts availability with the french rifle but the performance at longer ranges will more than offset this issue. the .308 is one of the most accurate centerfire rounds in existance. Posted on Mar 21 1999, 02:42 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey the 7.62 X 39 is the......... by john parent round of the record shattering 22 PPC and the 6mm PPC. These are considered to be one of the most accurate rounds ever. The sks wasn't designed for tack driving work. Get an AR-15 if you want to shoot tacks at 100 yards. You can't falt the shell if the gun isn't accurate. Posted on Mar 22 1999, 07:45 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stick with the SKS by Bob Werner The .308 MAS has been discussed pretty thoroughly over on the C&R list. Feeding and reliability problems, possibly a dangerous conversion. Posted on Mar 17 1999, 06:12 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MAS 308 conversion by tennjed It is my understanding that the 7.5 French round is dimensionally larger than the .308 Nato. If this is true it sets the mind to wondering how the .308 MAS rifles were converted. It would seem that there are a limited number of options. It would seem that the best, and safest, way to do this conversion would be to rebarrel the rifle. However, It is hard to believe that they could rebarrel these rifles for .308 and charge only $50 or so additional for the .308. I would not mess with the .308 MAS unless I knew exactly how they were doing the conversion. You just can't lose on the SKS: readily available cheap ammo and parts and it will be easy to sell if you decide you want something different. These .308 MAS conversions are all the rage right now. Could be the worst possible time to buy one. If you decide that you must have the MAS consider going with the 7.5 French model. It is relatively cheap and brass can be formed from 6.5 Swedish which is widely available. P.S. If they are using an insert in the .308 MAS it would have to increase freebore and would most likely have an adverse effect on accuracy. Posted on Mar 19 1999, 11:58 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MAS vs. SKS by The Confessor No contest, although I thought the comment about the French winning a war was pretty funny! Having had an opportunity to fire a MAS 49/56 all I have to add that hasn't already been covered is that the word "ergonomics" must not translate well into French because everything about the way the rifle functioned seemed to be exactly the way I would NOT have done it myself. I own three SKS's. I own no MAS 49/56's. My opinion on the matter is clear... Posted on Mar 17 1999, 07:58 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- sks type by dhawk47 I have two sks rifles with markings I have nerver heard of. I have check other sites and none of them dicuss these particular markings. One is a triangle with what appears to be C3c inside. The other has a long oval with 9696 inside. Both have Norinko marked on the other end of the receiver. Any ideas would be appreciated. Posted on Mar 16 1999, 10:43 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- markings by breezzly oh those may be the exporters stamp. Posted on Mar 17 1999, 12:46 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4x25 cheap scopes by Ron I would like to gain the experiance of this forum concerning the inexpensive 4x25 power scopes one sees often in the catalogs such as TAPCO and Cheaper than Dirt. What has been your experiances with these scopes? Are they worth a try or just a waste of time and money? I also would like info on the so called " third generation scope mounts in the same catalogs. Thanks. You get what you pay for? Posted on Mar 16 1999, 08:06 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- got one by catman give me your address, and i'll send you one for nothing no charge, free. see there no good, on any SKS, yours or mine, but i'll still send it to free of charge. (e-mail) Posted on Mar 16 1999, 08:25 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey Catman by Survivor Send it on over :-), if you are serious Email me Posted on Mar 17 1999, 03:50 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- re: 4x25 Scopes by The Confessor Not my experience with the Ultralux 4x25 scope at all. I think MOST problems people have with ANY scope on an SKS is the mount. Buy a cheap scope if you want, heck the effective range of an SKS isn't that great that you need a lot of power, just don't go out and buy a $10 scope mount. I use one of the Leapers receiver cover mounts that has screws that put pressure on the sides of the receiver to stabilize the mount. Rock solid and rezeros fairly well. I guess thats my experience, for what it's worth... Posted on Mar 17 1999, 03:58 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- laser sites by jeff I was talking with some friends and laser sites mounted on a sks came up. any thoughts? has anyone tried this? is it legal? is it worth it? do you suppose this would help in a combat situation? thanks, Jeff Posted on Mar 16 1999, 02:13 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NO!!!! by catman the laser sight will cost as much as your SKS. Posted on Mar 16 1999, 08:08 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NO What? by breezzly oh does this mean they are illegal? Or don't you like them? I have one on my SKS. It works well at night, but it sucks during the day.Try a Tasco Propoint scope. The bad thing about that is the battery life is short. I modified my cap to wire in a AA battery pack and pressure switch. works fine and the batteries last forever. JMHO. Posted on Mar 17 1999, 12:26 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why Not!!! by Capt. Daves This past weekend I saw a $499.00 rifle with a $1200.00 night scope. It's all in what you want. If you want to put an accessory on your firearm thats less than, equal to, or greater than the cost of the weapon. Do it. It's yours, accessorise as your wallet (and big brother, "GAG") will allow. Capt. Daves Posted on Mar 17 1999, 06:17 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lasers are toys! by DaMan Jeff, visible light, low power lasers look cool on TV, but they are worse than worthless! Drawbacks? If there is high humidity, dust, smoke or anything in the air, they're like a beacon pointing out your location! Try to find a target behind underbrush! If you have multiple laser users, the three ring circus really begins! I could go on, but enough said! Regards! DaMan Posted on Mar 17 1999, 11:52 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- lasers by gunrat Then why does the Army special forces and Navy seals and over 1200 Police stations purchase them for their oficers and tactical units? Posted on Mar 18 1999, 03:11 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- lasers by Oscar All the agencies mentioned use the laser for close quarter combat and indoors Also they are put on short weapons like the MP-5 or pistols for quick target aquisition. Its my opinion that lasers are just about useless outdoors.But of coarse this is just my opinion. Posted on Mar 18 1999, 10:00 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Visible light laser sights NOT used by the military by DaMan Gunrat, SF does NOT use visible light laser sights. Laser rangfinders? Yes. Laser designators for guided munitions? Yes. Laser sights on MP5s? NOPE! Regards! DaMan Posted on Mar 18 1999, 10:38 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Military laser sights are infrared (more) by Gary They are used in connection with night vision equipment that is tuned to register the laser's infrared signature. Neat, but way expensive. A good aperture rear sight and tritium post front sight would be more cost effective. Posted on Mar 18 1999, 04:59 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The military doesn't use laser sighting devices on small arms! by DaMan Tom Cruise had a laser on his MP5 in "Navy Seals" so I may be wrong! Hollywierd leads the way! Regards! DaMan Posted on Mar 20 1999, 06:36 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looks cool in the movies! by DaMan I do NOT consider "Hollywierd" productions good training films! Laser sights look cool on film! They're a bad joke in reality! I don't know of ANY MILITARY UNIT IN THE WORLD, that uses them on small arms! There's much better stuff available out there! If there are police departments that use them, they should get rid of their Chiefs and Training Officers! Regards! DaMan Posted on Mar 20 1999, 10:36 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How About Like in AirFARCE One... by RUSSki Where a bad-guy is coming down on a parachute, aiming a laser-fitted weapon at someone on the ground. Red dot is rock-steady on the target (of course)! I also like the recurring Hollywood theme of all manner of guns going off in enclosed spaces, yet everyone can still hear afterwards. Posted on Mar 22 1999, 07:23 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scopes by Careful I'd like to scope my SKS and would like to hear people's scoping experiences. Like: How short is needed to not get hit with ejected brass, any problems long scopes and brass deflectors? Posted on Mar 16 1999, 10:46 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: Scopes by Capt. Daves You can use a longer scope with a brass deflector at the expence of using stripper clips. It looks like loading single rounds would also be aquward. If that is what your planning on doing You'd probably want to invest in a detatchable mag as well. Capt. Daves Posted on Mar 16 1999, 07:25 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dragunov Style Stock by Doc I am considering purchasing a Fiberforce stock with ventilated forend (Dragunov style) for my SKS but I have noticed that the stock seems to have a piece that rises up behind the end of the receiver and receiver cover. It looks as though the butt of the receiver and receiver cover rest up against this rising stock piece. If this is true, it seems that you would have to remove the entire receiver (and barrel) from the stock to remove the receiver cover in order to break the weapon down for cleaning (what a pain). Does anyone have any experience with this stock and is this observation true? Thanks Doc Posted on Mar 15 1999, 07:06 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- re: dragunov by The Confessor Yes, you must remove the stock to clean the weapon. Posted on Mar 16 1999, 04:27 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That Bites by Doc That Bites! Posted on Mar 16 1999, 04:49 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FIBERFORCE STOCK by BUBBA Installed one of these on my SKS. The weapon can be disassembled for cleaning without removing the stock. However, you must make some minor modifications to the stock. I used a burr grinder to provide a vertical groove in the part of the stock that rises up behind the receiver cover. This groove needs to be the same width as the lug on the bottom of the receiver cover and can be chamfered from wide at the top to narrower on the bottom to allow the lug to swing down into position and be locked into place. No metal work is required, just some milling work on the glass reinforced plastic. A plastic plug can then be shaped to fill the void. Almost undetectable! Posted on Mar 16 1999, 09:26 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- re:fiberforce stock by theprisoner I was going to purchase a fiberforce stock until I saw a Choate dragonuv stock at a gun show and was so impressed with the quality I bought one. There is no problem with field stripping and it comes with extra spacers to adjust the length(you buy these seperate with the fiberforce). So my advice would be to spend the extra 20 or so dollars and get the Choate. Posted on Mar 20 1999, 10:41 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- vent handguard question by taztoo I bought a ventilated handguard for my sks. In the package is a clip that is supposed to "snap on the gas tube near the end caps." Is this supposed to slide into one of the end caps? Which one, front or rear? thanks... Posted on Mar 15 1999, 05:38 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- re: Vented handguard by The Confessor When I installed mine, the one end fit VERY tight and the other was somewhat loose. I had to do some slight filing on the tight end to get it to fit, and I put the clip at the loose end. It looks great and I've fired about 200-300 rounds through the gun since then without any loosening so I guess I did it right. I guess my only advice is to be careful that you don't file it so much that you need a clip at each end! If yours fits differently (loose at both ends) I guess you'll have to ask someone else. Posted on Mar 15 1999, 06:24 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air of truth by Capt. Daves I was leafing through some old gun magazines this weekend and read something that rang with such an air of truth I had to share it. The aritcal is from Guns & Ammo, Feb '96, Page 97, Cooper's Corner. These are the times that try our patriotism, as evil walks grinning abroad in the land, and Justice hides her head in shame. "Murder will out'"was the old saying. Now it appears that murder is in, and the taxpayers are footing the bill. What once was "The last, best hope of Earth" is now the laughing stock of the world, as we truly get the society we diserve. Capt. Daves Posted on Mar 15 1999, 07:39 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TELESCOPING or UNDERfolding Stocks...? by RUSSki A friend speculates that the SKS could be made to use an underfolder - sounds great! But same friend also claims to have seen a telescoping stock for the SKS (?). I guess maybe it was a home-grown deal as I haven't seen one advertised or spokem of anywhere (?). I think Brownells' (SP) has or had a telescoping stock for Remington 870 shotgun (looked COOL), and maybe something like that would be great on an SKS. Let me GUESS: This kind of activity is ILLEGAL, right? Hmm, I feel OKAY now, but if my SKSs' had FOLDERS, then I'd no-doubt go on a spree for sure! Grr! Slobber! Growl! ;) Posted on Mar 14 1999, 07:37 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Screem Come & Get Me by Capt. Daves Yep ILLEGAL, Highly ILLIGAL. The idea dose sound great, and would look nice (I've thought of an overfolding stock myself) it just screems "come and get me"!!! Do so at your own risk and never let anyone but trusted friends know what you've done. Capt. Daves Posted on Mar 15 1999, 07:24 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You should know anything fun or mean looking is banned or being banned by john Our protectors (I am being sarcastic) in the federal government just won't let us have any fun. Posted on Mar 15 1999, 07:09 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A Well Regulated Militia, Being Necessary to... by RUSSki yadda yadda, blah,blah,blah. Awwwwwww-BULLSH**! Count our over 30,000 and growing number of federal, state and local GUN laws. The Second Amendment is deader that that there anchovie on the pizza what the zit-faced delivery boy done brung ya. No you-know-what. Forget about it. Since I know that nothing short of a 2nd American Revolution is going to straighten things out, I just don't give a "rat's" anymore about this stuff. I feel better, actually. No more big-mouthing about defiance and what I'd do "if they come for my guns". It's all C-R-A-P. Get a clue everybody - THEY HAVE OUR GUNS already, okay? I can go to jail for a FOLDING stock? For a FLASH SUPPRESSOR? "F" me and the horse I rode in on. And who can DARE to be suprised? Ours is a nation that ALLOWS the murder of its' unborn babies, for cryin' out loud! With human life DISPOSEABLE, who DARES to think that ANY of our OTHER basic human rights will survive, either? ESPECIALLY the right to self-defense? I'd like to say we fought a good fight, but we did not. Our supposed "ProGun" congress listend to our concerns, nodded and tsk-tskked in sympathy, and then did not do a SH**'n thing. Old Henry Hyde BETRAYED us with a last-second flip-flop on the Assault Ban, yet many of us hailed him as a hero because he soought to impeach Clinton. As I said "and the horse I rode in on". Posted on Mar 16 1999, 07:51 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scroll Up by Capt. Daves Ane read "Air Of Truth". That about sums up my feelings. RUSSki I also agree with you, Thanks to big brother the second ammendment has been all but buried. Capt. Daves Posted on Mar 17 1999, 06:04 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I totally agree. ctxt by john I hear ya man. A lot of politicians are the biggest hypocrites around. I don't remember his name but I think it was the governor of Florida. (It might be a different person or state but I am pretty sure it was the governor of Florida) But anyway he was in favor of the assault weapons ban. Then the someone or the media discovered low and behold he had a mini-14 with a folding stock that he used to hunt turkeys with. Opps. He didn't think it was an ASSAULT WEAPON and I don't either. I guess it is OK for him to own a gun like that but not the rest of us. Give me a freaking break. Posted on Mar 17 1999, 08:56 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- His name was Lawton Chiles..... by swami "Walkin' Lawton" they called him, because he walked some distance one time for something he believed in. Unfortunately, he walked away from freedom and fell into the liberal abyss. He died about a year ago, I think. Posted on Mar 17 1999, 12:06 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Walkin' Lawton and GOOSESTEPPIN' Chapin... by RUSSki I live here in "O-Town" and work just kitty-corner to the O-Rena. In my HQ bldg, there is Senator Buddy Dyers' office, which I've installed telecommunications (voice & data) into. Anyways, his staffers have a big framed deal on the wall, of a letter signed by Chiles, including the actual ink-pen with his name on it. There was an incident where right after supporting the Assault Ban, it was discovered that Chiles himself owned a tricked-out Mini-14 (w. folding stock, scope and bipod, even). The newspaper reported it, and the old hypocrite said that he only used it "to hunt turkeys with". Huh? .223 on turkeys? Anyways, the story disappeared, Chiles ocassionally stumped for GunControl, and then of course, he croaked. I don't mourn the loss of a politician who swore to uphold and defend the Constitution and then grabs guns. Anyways, so next along comes Linda Chapin, (now former) Orange County Chairman. She served her maximum term(s), and THEN, at the last possible minute, and NOT facing re-election, really jumped onto the GunControl bandwagon. She spent her last day RAMMING a bill up our you-know-whats that requires all PRIVATE sales of guns at shows (illegal arms bazzars!) to now require the ILLEGAL process of REGISTRATION known as Form 4471 and NICS, etc. This is for shows and transactions on PUBLIC land, as most of course are. The old Nazi b-word called in all her markers and the "law" was approved - without WE THE PEOPLE having a damned word to say on it. So please, everyone, understand that today, when I saw the new Pennsylvania quarter, I snickered bitterly. On the coin are the words "Virtue, Liberty, and Independence". With CLINTON in the Whitehouse and over 30,000 local, state and federal gun-laws? No slam to Penn State (go Lions!), but gimme a break! Speaking of "quarters", I just got in change at the 408 toll-plaza, a 1954 quarter in nice shape that appears to be all-silver. Never saw one before (I'm 36). Some fat-a** at work said he "has a bunch" and it's worth about "35 or 40 cents". I don't know, but as I say, I'VE never seen one before and I handle LOTS of quarters. Any opinions? AND has anyone tried the FireSight for the SKS? Uses red-colored acrylic rod in a steel housing. LOOKS pretty good! Posted on Mar 17 1999, 10:40 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amen Brother by Lobo ....I'm hoping old age catches up with me before the Feds.... Posted on Mar 16 1999, 08:12 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS s/n No. to year xlation? by Dennis Hi: New to this list. Have been looking at an older SKS belonging to a friend. He's had it for a few years and we were wondering if this list could furnish build-date. s/n is 1403xxx. I looked at previous notes indicating "first two digits and add 56" which would yield date of 1970. Is this right?? Gun is all milled, unusually deep glossy blue, does have Norinco name, has triangle containing characters I don't understand. He is not selling it but would really like to know more about it. Am I missing anything?? Any comments really appreciated. Dennis Posted on Mar 14 1999, 07:29 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- plus 56 dating by TheOG I usually quote odds on mfg date based on the first-two-digits-plus-56 theory. It appears to work reasonably well, however, I am not 100 percent comfortable with the methodology. It is quite likely that your SKS is originally a 1970 that was later re-arsenaled as a Norinco export. This would explain the 1970 date and the Norinco stamp co-existing. The ''digits plus two system does NOT work on the first two years of production, however. 1956 and half of 1957, the Chinese SKS use alpha and four numerics Serial nr (ie ''A1234'') like the Russians. -kirbyTheOG Posted on Mar 14 1999, 07:42 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- help identify my SKS by Tom O I recently bought an SKS rifle, it has the number 26 inside a triangle followed bt three Chinese characters then serial number 1102xxxx and what appears to be a lower case p. It is marked "made in China by Norinco KSI Pomona CA" The bayonet mounting logs appear to have been milled off. If I understand the numbers correctly this was manufactured in 1966 Was KSI the importer? Are they still in business? What exactly do I have? Posted on Mar 14 1999, 06:55 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What you have is--- by TheOG It is a 1967 (beginning of year) production rifle that was among the last made at the Jianshe (ttriangle-26) armory. Jianshe was only armory producing SKS until new factory was opened in mid-1967. The presence of the triangle-26 and the ''11xxxx'' serial nr. pretty well lock the dating on initial construction. Given the ''Norinco'' stamp and the ground bayo-lug, this older rifle was re-arsenaled at Norinco in the 1980s or 90s for export to the U.S. and went to KSI Importers in Pomona, CAlifornia, who did lots of importing from Norinco and China Sports at the time. -kirbyTheOG Posted on Mar 14 1999, 08:22 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RE: KSI by bugchaser I bought my SKS last Nov. 98 at the Big Reno Show (Nevada) and it came in a box marked K-Sports Inc (KSI) out of Pomona. It came with a bandoleer, sling, manual, cleaning kit and oil can. The rifle itself was packed in grease (cosmoline)? The dealer had several boxes (approx 8-10 boxes) marked K-Sports Inc. (KSI). He said they were selling the SKS for BATF. BATF confiscated these items for some reason and the company already closed down. Enjoy! bugchaser Posted on Mar 16 1999, 12:18 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- KSI INFO by DaMan K-Sports Inc., 2755 Thompson Creek Rd., Pamona, CA, 91767. (909) 392-2345. Last known address and phone number. Regards! DaMan Posted on Mar 16 1999, 10:51 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- KSI by DaMan Don't bother trying to contact them! They are out of business like bugchaser said! Regards! DaMan Posted on Mar 16 1999, 11:02 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Should I dry fire my sks if I won't be shooting it for a while? by bob If I won't be shooting my sks for a while should I dry fire the gun before putting it away? Should I always dry fire the gun before putting it away? Also how hard is it to replace a pinned barrel on an sks? Thanks for any help. Posted on Mar 14 1999, 04:53 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I wouldn't by breezzly oh If I weren't going to use the gun, I would remove the bolt group then pull the trigger. After that clean and oil the bolt group, barrel, and gas chamber. Reassemble, then it's ready for storage. JMHO Posted on Mar 17 1999, 12:42 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don't leave cocked in storage! by DaMan Bob, after cleaning and lubing, there is no problem with letting the hammer fall on an empty chamber! You could probably practice dry firing as much as you want without damage. These aren't delicate rifles! For those who hate to drop a hammer on an empty chamber for fear of damage .... do the following: 1. Replace bolt and carrier as usual. 2. Flip safety off and ride the hammer slowly down (like decocking a single action revolver). 3. Install recoil spring assbly. (remember Mr. Squiggly goes in first!). 4. Replace rear housing. Don't abuse it! But don't be afraid to USE IT! Regards! DaMan Posted on Mar 17 1999, 12:14 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mr Squiggly? What is that? no text by SKDummy . Posted on Mar 17 1999, 10:44 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mister Squiggly by DaMan Sorry, SKD! When you have the recoil spring assembly togther, note that the spring is pretty straight on one end and "squiggly" on the other end. One of my instructors referred to the "squiggly" end as "Mr. Squiggly". It was a way to remember how to put the recoil spring in correctly ie. squiggly end with retainer first (forward). Regards! DaMan Posted on Mar 18 1999, 10:50 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- THANKS... I'll see if mine is Bass-Ackwards! ;) no text by SKDummy . Posted on Mar 18 1999, 06:32 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- re: "Mister Squiggly" forward..... by swami DaMan is correct in his assertion (and insertion!) HOWEVER, one may be easily misled when referring to some of the "sks: exploded view" illustrations in various manuals and books which, for some strange reason, show Mr. Squiggly pointed toward the rear of the gun. Even the excellent publication "The SKS Carbine" (from North Cape Publications, I believe) makes this error. I had one in backwards for 50 rounds or so and experienced no problems. But now Mr. Sqiggly hides in the bolt carrier, like DaMan says! Posted on Mar 18 1999, 09:03 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks ctxt by Bob Ok thanks I will go ahead and dry fire it. I saw a manual for a ruger 10/22 and it recomended dryfiring the gun so you get a feel for the trigger. It can't be that much different than firing a live round and I bet I would wear out the trigger group before the firing pin broke. Posted on Mar 18 1999, 08:15 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Buy a few snap caps anyway (ctxt) by Gary Using a "snap cap" will protect the firing pin from overextension. Remember, there's usually a metal primer in front of it. Have you seen the "firing pin protrusion gauge" in catalogs? There seems to be a concern that after a lot of rounds fired, the firing pin could begin to extend too far from the bolt face (contributing to slam fires and such). Excessive dry firing without a snap cap is probably not a great idea. A little won't hurt, moderation in all things... Posted on Mar 19 1999, 07:53 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Make Up An SKS Scout Rifle Today ! by Richard Gould Call DPMS (1-800/578-3767) and order one of their B-Square SKS Handguard Scope Mounts (inventory number MTSK-18562) for $59.95. This step will get you on line toot sweet. On the other hand, if SKS rifles with detachable magazines are to be considered semiautomatic assault weapons subject to federal law, and as all SKSs imported with fixed magazines can have these removed and aftermarket "detachables" inserted thereby creating a semiautomatic assault weapon banned from importation into the U.S., then you can create a scout rifle but never clean it. For in reassemblying after field stripping you'd be manufacturing a banned weapon. Is this where we've come to in our second guessing law and regulation at this web site? Sure looks that way to me. Posted on Mar 14 1999, 09:53 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Accurizing an SKS? by Bill Has anybody tried to accurize an SKS? Barrel bedding or any other tips? Any opinions on the "B-Square" scope mount that fits over the regular receiver cover? Thanks. Posted on Mar 14 1999, 09:38 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I would only put the scope on it. by john I have never put a scope mount on an sks but I here most of them are pretty good. You might have to use a small scope in order to use stripper clips I have never really tried to make an sks more accurate. They were designed as a rugged piece of military equipment not tack drivers Try differant types of ammo if you are getting bad groups. Bullets in this cal. range from .308 to .311 depending on the maufacture. You might fined your sks likes one better than another. Mine seems to like sellier and bellot best. Also clean you barrel once your done shooting it. If you want to shoot minute of angle groups get a Colt Match Sporter (AR-15). You will be able to find lots of aftermaket parts for making it more accurate. Posted on Mar 14 1999, 07:39 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- B-Square mounts by Paul I had an sks with a b-square mount attached, the procedure required me to remove the reciever cover retaining pin completely, such as with a dremel, and replace it with a pin they provided. It was kind of a pain in the ass, as if you wanted to take the scope off, you had to deal with the pin sticking out on both sides about 1/4 inch still in place. There are mounts available that replace the reciever cover, with scope mount rails attached. If I do it again, that is what I will get. As far as a scope, there are small ones that will still allow you to use the stripper clips, just look in a catalog such as cheaper than dirt, or others that sell similar items. Paul Posted on Mar 15 1999, 06:00 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- B Square Scope Mount by tennjed I have a B Square scope mount on my SKS. It came with the rifle. It is not a rock solid mounting system. I would go with the replacement reciever cover having integral mounting rails. Tennjed Posted on Mar 20 1999, 12:11 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- B.P. Sports by Bob Werner Anyone out there have any dealings with BP Sports? They were marketing a bullpup stock for the SKS. Supposedly they have run into financial problems. Anyone have more info? Posted on Mar 14 1999, 09:35 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Accurizing an SKS? by Bill Has anybody tried to accurize an SKS? Barrel bedding or any other tips? Any opinions on the "B-Square" scope mount that fits over the regular receiver cover? Thanks. Posted on Mar 14 1999, 08:31 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- want info on norinco sks by gene it has stamped: "made in china by norinco cal stalb vt" and to the left of that there's a triangle with a 3 in it, three chinese symbols, and serial number: "21047355" and is in excellent condition. can anyone tell me when it was made and the general price valu and quality of this gun? Thanks. Posted on Mar 14 1999, 12:35 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- here ya go by jojo i dont know about your particular markings but i was at a gun show last weekend and new norinco sks were between 235 and 280 (most were 250) and used ones were from 175 (crappy) to 250 Posted on Mar 14 1999, 07:16 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chinese SKS Questions by MNC I bought this SKS "new in the box" back in 1990. Markings are: on left side of receiver poorly stamped triangle, "SIX CORP", serial # 88023XX; On left side of threaded in barrel is "21" and a squashed "W" (Chinese character?), right side has a poorly stamped oval with something in the center (S?); barrel has importer stamps "IA CO SAC CA" and "7.62mm CHIN". Now for the questions! Is Six Corp another name for NORINCO or was it possibly added by the importer? Made for export or military surplus? I know it is preban because of when I bought it, but I don't have the receipt to prove it (this was my very first centerfire rifle purchase, could of had a Russian milsurp for $89 but figured the brand new Chinese was only $10 more - Doh!) I would appreciate any information, thanks in advance! Posted on Mar 13 1999, 01:46 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- See My Post "What THEY Didn't Tell You" by Richard Gould MNC, you've got one of those sanitized M-21 carbines Jeff picked up. So, to answer your question, yes - yes. Yes it is military spec surplus, and yes, it was built for export. Don't forget, your weapon was manufactured expressly to advance world wide revolution. Master it. It shouldn't surprise anyone that these guns carry squirrlely stampings and markings. NORINCO is an artificial entity to begin with, thus one need not draw much significance between its current name and former designations. Posted on Mar 13 1999, 11:38 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Attn Lobo and others interested in SKS Scout scope mount by Nick I made the mount and shipped it off to the test mule for evaluation. I have pics posted on my web page of the mount on the gun. I will add more pics and info detailing how it works as soon as I can. It looks like a winner! Owner reports the mount is good and snug on the barrel. http://homepages.udayton.edu/~jacobsnj/sks.htm Tell me what you think!!! (post here or email) Posted on Mar 12 1999, 09:53 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dude, The page won't open by Capt. Daved Ditto Posted on Mar 13 1999, 05:51 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- recent server problems by Nick Sorry that you cant access the page. The University server for the homepages has had recent problems. Maybe try again now or in another day or two. They are good about fixing stuff quick. Posted on Mar 13 1999, 09:03 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- URL by Lobo I was on the sight.....keep trying. Posted on Mar 13 1999, 06:57 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looks good but..... by Survivor Have you thought about parkerizing it and rounding the edges a bit? It looks very functional though, I might be interested in checking one of those out myself to see how it works, keep us posted. Good work! Posted on Mar 13 1999, 06:22 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- the prototype is never pretty... by Nick I have thought of both of those items, but I figured I would skip the "finishing touches" for this one beacuse I didnt know how well it would work. I dont have an SKS *yet* so I had to rely on dimensions from another person's gun. After seeing how it looks I decided that I will lengthen the scope mount rail to the full length of the handguard, and probably break the edges on the side at 45* angles. Possibly mill a "V" between the center axes of the barrel and gas tube, giving it more of an "8" shape when looking at the front. Just ideas though... who knows. I think the SKS is the perfect rifle for the Scout concept, if you skip the part about being bolt action. I would rather have a semi-auto anyway. Nick Posted on Mar 13 1999, 09:15 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You might want to get a patent. by john It looks good you might want to get a patent for it then try selling it to gun companies. Posted on Mar 13 1999, 02:24 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Patent Cautions... by RUSSki I know someone who got patents on two pool/water safety-related items. LOTS of time money and legal-hoop-jumping. THEN competitors made SLIGHT changes and LEGALLY marketed their "versions" of the same items, killing his ability to sell his originals as he couldn't match their distribution connections and production capacities. Some retailers even claimed HIS originals were "knockoffs"! I say to produce and sell through mail/internet only. Maybe you can get into select chains, but don't bet on it. Locally, maybe the gun-shops will stock the mount, and you can also do tables every weekend at gun-shows and even at flea-markets. $ave your money for production and advertising. Don't blow it on the patent-process with its' WEAK protection, or on a RIP-OFF "We'll patent it for you" outfit, or on some fat-a** patent ATTORNEY. Remember, too, that once you show this or any idea publicly, it becomes FAIR GAME for anyone, private or corporate, to GRAB and run with! I KNOW, this is all way off-topic, but I can't let a fellow SKS'er fall into the fiery pit known as the US Patent Office! Posted on Mar 17 1999, 10:55 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- load for 150g bullets by Brandon I have some 150g hornady spire points laying around. Is it feasible to load these for the sks or is the data for them only for bolt actions? would 4064 be too slow? anybody want to trade them for some lighter bullets? thanks Brandon Posted on Mar 12 1999, 07:57 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: purchase by Michael I am in the market for an SKS to supplement my other weapons. I am going to the TS gun show on Sunday and was wondering what kinds of troubles I might encounter and what to watch out for so that I am not taken adveantage of. Which is better SKS detachable mags fixed box, or miodified to AK mag receiver? Does the law in California hinder me from getting a parratrooper carbine with detachable mags? Posted on Mar 12 1999, 03:49 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS with detachable mag in CA by MNC Check the following for information http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/dwcl/12275.htm Section 12281, here are the high points: (i) Notwithstanding paragraph (11) of subdivision (a) of Section 12276, an "SKS rifle" under this section means all SKS rifles commonly referred to as "SKS Sporter" versions, manufactured to accept a detachable AK-47 magazine and imported into this state and sold by a licensed gun dealer, or otherwise lawfully possessed in this state by a resident of this state who is not a licensed gun dealer, between January 1, 1992, and December 19, 1997. f)(1) Any person, firm, company, or corporation that is in possession of an SKS rifle shall do one of the following on or before January 1, 2000: (A) Relinquish the SKS rifle to the Department of Justice pursuant to subdivision (h). (B) Relinquish the SKS rifle to a law enforcement agency pursuant to Section 12288. (C) Dispose of the SKS rifle as permitted by Section 12285. Posted on Mar 13 1999, 12:21 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I need advise re: a possible purchase..... by swami I'm considering buying an sks from a guy I know for $120. I broke it down and looked it over-- it's in pretty good shape. However, none of the serial numbers match. He let me test fire it--shoots fine. It's in a Monte Carlo stock and there is a full bayo lug. Any legal considerations (i.e., "assembled from imported parts", etc.). Any comments appreciated. Posted on Mar 11 1999, 02:09 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "advice" (typo, sorry) by swami swami hates to misspell words! Posted on Mar 11 1999, 02:17 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Buying SKS by Survivor doesn't sound like too bad of a deal to me, matching numbers only really matters if you are planning on having a collectible gun, I wouldn't worry too much about it, sounds like a good price in this day and age :-) Posted on Mar 11 1999, 06:11 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No legal problems by john No legal problems here. The sks were allowed to be imported with the lug on just no bayonets. To assembled for imported parts stuff pertains to assembling unimportable guns. Since that gun was importable when brought into the US everything is fine. I sounds like I good price to me. I was looking at my sks and wish I would have bought another. It is an unissued chinese made in factory 26 with the cromed bore. I paid $150 dollars for it just a short time ago. Should have bought more than one. :-( O well, guess thats how we learn. Posted on Mar 11 1999, 07:40 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for comments, guys....I bought it!...shoots great, too! by swami Actually, only the trigger group and receiver cover are different serials than the rest of the parts. I'm a happy camper! Posted on Mar 12 1999, 05:35 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How do I decock the hammer on the trigger group? by john I was trying to decock the hammer on my trigger group(out of the gun). Took the saftey off and pulled the trigger and nothing happened. I think I need to press down on the black part sicking up but wasn't sure and didn't want to break anything. So how do I decock the trigger group with it out of the gun? On a side note what is the trigger sear and what does it do? Thanks for any help. Posted on Mar 10 1999, 07:03 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey John, to decock the hammer.... by swami you do need to depress the lever that sticks out forward at an angle. But you must depress it just the right amount....too far and it won't do. You'll just have to experiment, but BE SURE YOU HAVE THE HAMMER UNDER CONTROL...it is under heavy tension and I don't think it would be wise to let it fly! You can recock it again if you desire to watch the mechanisms in action. The sear is the piece situated in the lower and foreward section of the trigger assembly. It has two polished surfaces which engage opposing surfaces on the lower part of the hammer. Removal of the sear is easy. Just drive out the foremost pin on the trigger assembly (this is the pin that portrudes from both sides and holds the mag release/spring in place). Then slide out the sear. The polished surfaces should be smooth and even. Good Luck! Posted on Mar 11 1999, 07:33 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- take care i almost broke my thumb doing this ! by Richard use a pen , stick ect . when pulling down on it ! other wise you'll end up with a broken finger or thumb , that hammer is under alot of tension ! Posted on Mar 11 1999, 09:55 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- drums? by jake I'm new to the list but have tried to read back to see what has been said about drums. Since Junior High (20 years ago) I have loved the PPSH sub-machine gun. The closest thing I can afford is a Paratrooper with a drum. Do they work? From what I've read here nothing works. However, I've seen them for sale from four or five different places at prices from $90 to $150.00. If there are that many places selling them and they cost that much surely some must work?? Does anyone have one that works properly?? Do any distributors or manufacturers stand behind their product?? Posted on Mar 10 1999, 05:08 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- At your own risk by Capt. Daves I have two thirty round mags and have never had problem one from them. You can buy it if you like, I've never tried a drum myself but I see no reason why it wouldn't work. However, Fed. law (BATF) says that it a big no no to own a mag. larger than 30 rounds. Get it if you like, But don't advertise Posted on Mar 10 1999, 09:28 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For What Its Worth... by Me You might check local laws. I live in California where it is a sick bird (ill eagle) to have: A detachable mag SKS -or- A clip larger than 10 rounds... So a drum is purely bad mojo in CA.... Me Posted on Mar 10 1999, 10:06 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: Drum magazines by Gary Well, I have used a 75-round drum on an AK, but never an SKS. It worked well enough, though the translation of the Chinese instructions was at best comical. It did need to be taken apart for deburring and polishing with a Dremel tool, so it may or may not work well "out of the box". A spritz of spray graphite helped it feed reliably. If you want to play with one, be aware that once loaded, the drum is HEAVY. While in military applications this is OK, it gets mighty bothersome if you just want to go plinking or sport shooting. Also, be sure you get one made specifically (or more accurately, *modified* specifically) for the SKS. If you have an SKS that accepts the detachable AK-47 magazines, the stock may have to be notched for clearance, in front of the magazine well. Evidently the "neck" on the AK version is shorter. Gary Posted on Mar 11 1999, 09:51 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Find more forums on Firearms Create your own forum at Netbabbler SKS Discussion Forum SKS Discussion Forum This board is dedicated to the discussion of the SKS rifle, feel free to ask all your questions here. I have decided to allow buying and selling of SKS (only)parts and accessories on this board. Send Comments and Questions to Survivor Survival Buy and Sell Forum General Gun Talk AK Discussion Forum -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Best powder to use for SKS reloads? by Steve S. Any suggestions for powder when reloading the 7.62 X 39? Most accurate and cleanest burning? Posted on Mar 10 1999, 09:19 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Accurate Arms 1680 (24 - 25.5 grains) and Hercules Reloader Seven (28) by Richard Gould These work good. Enjoy. Posted on Mar 11 1999, 06:18 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- need info please by Jeff I have a Norinco sks paratrooper the sieral # starts with a 71xxxxx. I read about the 0's and 9's, what about this one? Is it preban? How about a guess on when it was made? any info u can give would be helpfull. Thanks Posted on Mar 10 1999, 02:04 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date of import is what matters by john The date that it was imported is what matters. Try contacting the imported. Even then there is still some confusion about what you can and can't do to the gun. Posted on Mar 12 1999, 05:04 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What THEY Don't Tell You by Richard Gould Jeff, you probably have a third sort of ChiCom SKS. Let me explain. We all know about the Type 56 Carbine. That's the Peoples' Liberation Army issue Simonov selfloader. These rifles did have that serial number / date of manufacture system in place. Further, Type 56s have the Kanji characters (translation: "Type 56") that have become familiar, stamped to the right or left of arsenal cartouches. The earlier manufactures have those three Chinese characters to the right; later rifles to the left of the arsenal triangle. Additionally, you've probably encountered junky looking Chinese rifles that either lack bayonet lugs yet have the fixed ten shot magazine, or lack the lug and were fitted at the arsenal with a detachable magazine set up. Such guns were made expressly for the U.S. market, to suit American tastes and government import restrictions. As mentioned before, most such "commercial" rifles lack arsenal markings of any sort as well as the Chinese (Kanji) characters which few here can read anyway. Finally, there is the third lot which I suspect contains the rifle you own. During the heady days following the Great Cultural Revolution, when China began to settle down from its convulsions, Mao and the thugocracy there decided to gain leverage in both Moscow and Washington by stepping up material contributions to the international struggle against deviation and capitalism. Thus was born the sanitized, M-21 carbine. Yup, Chinese SKS rifles from the finest factories were shipped off in enormous quantities to Africa, Latin America, and other garden spots. Such guns are perfectly military and perfectly fit, built to higher standards than the commercal rifles that flooded the U.S. in the late 80s - early 90s. The year of manufacture is, I believe, equals the first two digits of the serial. Hope this explanation helps, Jeff. The THEY in my title refers to published authorities and to our new "strategic partners." Enjoy your rifle. Posted on Mar 13 1999, 11:33 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you by jeff But I see now everyone wants to know about there,s. thanks again, you were most helpful. Posted on Mar 16 1999, 02:01 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not an SKS question, but... by Punchy Has anyone seen the ads for a 12 gauge pistol flare guns in Shotgun News? Would these be strong enough to fire regular 12 gauge shells? If the gun is strong enough, will the recoil break my wrists? Posted on Mar 09 1999, 06:05 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PUNCHY Indeed! No way, dude! by RUSSki The 12ga Flare Guns I've seen are PLASTIC or a nylon-woven plastic mixture. The SIZE (12ga) is ALL that these have in-common with a "real" shotgun. DO NOT try a 12ga SHOTGUN shell in one of these! Again, the FLARE is 12ga in SIZE only - the pressure involved is nothing like a actual shotshell going-off! WARNING! WARNING! Severe injury or Fatality may result! Posted on Mar 09 1999, 06:17 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- supposing it was metal... by Punchy and made to handle the pressure, would the recoil break the shooters wrists? Dont worry, I didnt buy one and I am not planning on it. Just wonderin. Posted on Mar 09 1999, 07:27 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, IF it were DESIGNED to take... by RUSSki actual 12ga SHOTGUN rounds, that is, that the barrel wouldn't disintegrate, taking your hand, face and head with it, then I'd suspect that the "flare gun" was REALLY a severely sawn-off shotgun. Maybe even pistol-gripped by some imaginative tinkerer. The recoil would be INTENSE to say the least. And, OF COURSE, the bATF would poop Reno onna moped if they got wind of your little gem. ONLY an engineer knowledgeable on firearm pressures and metallurgy (sp), could calculate the "flare gun" and see if it could handle shotgun rounds. Or, someone could rig-up the flare-gun with a string to pull the trigger and do-so from behind a good shield. But still, even if the "gun" didn't shatter, it MIGHT on the very next round. So, if a "real" gun - devastating recoil and likely highly illegal. An actual flare-gun that has a "tough" barrel - maybe a very dangerous "time-bomb". Godd to play with MENTALLY, I guess, but leave it there. Shoot only the pretty flares - Oooh! Aaah! Posted on Mar 09 1999, 08:24 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Whatta TYPO! Meant "GOOD" not "godd"... by RUSSki although HE'S who the experimenter and tinkerer (especially w. guns and gunpowder) gets to meet quite frequently. Also, I imagine that the "Big Guy" has quite a collection of hands, feet, fingers and toes which "arrived" slightly ahead of their original owners! Posted on Mar 09 1999, 08:29 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Try .410 by Capt. Daves If you want a shot pistol why not get it in .410. You can get them in single or double barrel & they won't take your wrist off. I don't see them very often but they do pop up at the gun shows every now and then. Posted on Mar 09 1999, 08:38 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Info on recently purchased SKS by guz I just bought this weapon and I truthfully do not know much about it. The gentleman who sold it to me said it was fairly new. The wood stock is painted flat black(hardly a scratch on it) and there is not a mark on the rest of the gun. It came with the bayonet (is this legal to shoot like this at the range?) and a 30 round magazine. I found the triangle that Richard Gould said to look for but it did not have a letter in it. I also checked the serial numbers and they did not start with a "9" but with a "0". The only writing I found was on the barrel (it appears to be CAIST AI R VT SKS 762 CHINA). Any information would be much appreciated, including its approximate value. Posted on Mar 09 1999, 02:35 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You've Got an Oldie But Goodie, There by Richard Gould The gobblygook you reported cites Century International Arms, Incorporated as the importer, via St. Albans, Vermont. W/ a serial beginning 0xxxxx, you can guess that the weapon was manufactured in the first decade of SKS production in China, 1956-1966. The second number can be added to '56 to produce the actual year, e.g. 03xxxxx + 56 = 1959. Your question about the bayonet is not easily answered. All the military literature plainly states this accessory is to remain on the gun as it has value. However, folks around here used to customize private property, in the old days (prior to 1994) so it was quite common to dismount bayonets and add pistol grips, bipods, flash hiders, you name it. Unfortunately, politicians and bureaucrats have taken it upon themselves to regulate the actions of importers of foreign firearms and domestic gun manufacturers pretty dramatically, while suggested, tho not explicitly stating, that restrictions affect John Q. Public too. I feel very good arguments can be made that the reach of Title 18 of the United States Code is limited to commercial activities, but I'm in a minority here. I've have seen SKSs used at private and public ranges in their original state w/ bayonets fixed and folded. As the rifle was designed that way, I'd say keep the product in its original configuration to avoid potential legal hassles. Others will disagree. Watch six, whatever you do. Owners of SKS carbines are reviled and feared by many. Be careful out there. Posted on Mar 09 1999, 04:09 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Attn Richard by guz I rechecked my serial numbers because I do not think this gun is that old. The numbers on the stock, trigger guard, and on the 10 round magazine all have the same 5 digit numbers starting with a "0". However, the numbers on the receiver are the same five numbers except with the numbers "88" in front. If this changes things please let me know and thanks for responding to my questions. Posted on Mar 09 1999, 06:22 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You might have a new manufacture indeed by Richard Gould Guz, 24xxxxx carbines (1979) are as high (recent)as they go for Peoples' Liberation Army acceptance in my limited experience. There is a very good chance that weapons w/ serial numbers in the 25xxxxx and above range exist, it's only that I haven't seen any. During the late 1980s, when the Chinese made economic deals w/ the Reagan administration, it appears that our new "strategic partners" started up some of their old SKS manufacturing lines to commence production for sale to the U.S. market. Such rifles do not reflect very high quality standards and are clearly marked w/ year of manufacture, such as (19)88 or (19)90 and so on, up to 19(94) when the Clinton WhiteHouse choked off the flow via an executive order. Should you examine a typical rifle of the type pictured above, an SKS-D, you'll find a 92xxxxx, 93xxxxx, or 94xxxxxx serial number and no arsenal cartouche. I did say "typical" because I've seen at least one SKS-Ds with a triangle and numbers stamped inside denoting construction at a state arsenal. From the sounds of it, you've a very late model, probably one with a pinned-in barrel and lots of stamped -- as opposed to milled -- parts. But that's cool. The rifle is still very, very good to go and you'll be hard pressed to ever wear it out, no matter how much ammo you run thru it. Enjoy. Posted on Mar 11 1999, 08:48 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Early sks identification by TheOG The easiest way to identify early-production Chinese SKS is by the armory stamp. From 1956 to mid 1967, the main state armory in China was Jianshe with armory stamp of ''26-in-a-triangle.'' An early-production SKS with a blank triangle (no number in triangle) is something I have positively never heard of. The triangle-26 is the dead giveaway qhen it comes to first-decade production arms. I have a positively wonderful first-year production which I will (and do) puit up against the Russians any time. -kirby Posted on Mar 14 1999, 08:13 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20 rd fixed by JEFF Does anyone know if it would be legal to install a 20 rd fixed onto my folding stocked sks? thanks Posted on Mar 09 1999, 12:11 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'd be more worried about the folding stock by john If your gun has a folding stock it is either pre 922(r) or it is illegal anyways. By the way that is a felony of install a folding stock on an sks that was imported after Nov 1990 (I believe not sure of date sometime before 1990.) See all the other posts about 922(r). I don't know if you could put a detachable mag on the gun or not. It all goes back to the assembly part of 922(r) because sks with a detachable mag were also prohibited with some exeptions. But back to your question one of the things you can do for sure is to replace the fixed magazine with one of a higher capacity so long as it is also fixed. That is what I have read on the internet and the atf people confirmed this. The detachable mag is where all the confusion is. Posted on Mar 10 1999, 06:57 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- But Doesn't the 'SAULT BAN cover Guns w. DETACHABLE Mags? by RUSSki So what's the real-deal with the DAMNED SKS? If it has a FIXED 10-shot mag, how does it fall under Section 9blahblahblah, etc.? So let me guess - the SKS with its' fixed 10-shooter is STILL legislated, right? Uh-huh, and that's the "real-deal" with the GunControl Nazis - they are after ALL guns and will never stop. And "We the People", FOOLS that we are, have let them worm over 30,000 local, federal and state gun-laws right up the Bill of Rights! Damn our eyes. We even talk of CCW laws as being a VICTORY. Huh? We can GET PERMISSION to exercise our alleged RIGHT to keep and BEAR arms? As I said - fools that we are. Posted on Mar 10 1999, 07:39 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes it does but..... by john The assault weopons ban covers all firearms. 922(r) just pertains to imported guns. Posted on Mar 11 1999, 07:41 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- norinco sks by gene i just got a sks and it has "made in china by norinco" on it. i thought norinco was a fairly new company. are sks still being made? and is the norinco good quality? Thanks. Posted on Mar 08 1999, 08:45 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NORINCO by Richard Gould Gene, this is a conglomerate of diverse state enterprises providing the Peoples' Republic of China with machined products for domestic and foreign consumption. I imagine it was overseas investments, during the late 1970s and early 1980s, that lead the thugocracy in Beijing to create this artifical structure as a sort of commercial interface. PolyTechnologies is another of these "creations." NORINCO (an acronyn for NORth China INdustrial COmpany), then, is not a company in the sense we know such to be altho recent mergers here are forging similar entities, such as Time-Warner. NORINCO and PolyTechnologies are words the Chinese stamped on their exports to the U.S. Weapons from the same arsenals were accepted into the Peoples' Liberation Army w/o those marks. NORINCO stamped rifles may or may not have originated from one of the northern provinces of China. And I've seen one SKS that is marked "NORINCO-Poly." You can believe our new "strategic partners" (in Clinton-speak) had no reason to permanently attach the English words "MADE IN CHINA" to their domestic use rifles yet you will find these words on the right side of your gun's receiver. It is impossible to say whether any particular NORINCO is really good or bad. As a rule of thumb, should you locate an arsenal cartouche on your receiver, i.e. a triangle or oval figure w/ a number inside, you're pretty well set as you own military-issue. Many recently fabricated rifles, those bearing serial numbers beginning w/ 9xxxxxx are of lesser quality as they were made up exclusively for export as the PLA had enough Type 56 Carbines of their own to last them several centuries. Enjoy your rifle. Posted on Mar 09 1999, 09:00 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Norinco by Ranger It's obvious that Richard knows his stuff. I'll summarize by saying that Norinco SKS 's can be found from terrible to pretty good. If you are not sure, have someone of knowledge check it out. Though many, including myself believe the Russian to be far superior to the Chinese, the initial cost and availability of parts for the Chinese make it a valid option. Ranger Posted on Mar 09 1999, 06:48 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stripper clip question by Bill Anybody got a trick for making the use of stripper clips a little faster. Seem to have to press down REAL hard to get the ammo to load. Got to be a way to make it easier and faster. Posted on Mar 08 1999, 08:23 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by JEFF Push down close to the clip. Posted on Mar 08 1999, 11:53 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Try parrafin wax by Manchu I read somewhere that parrafin wax applied to the stripper helps. I plan to experiment with it my self. Hope this helps. Posted on Mar 11 1999, 05:38 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mixed message.... by Lobo Just drug out my rifle to have a peek. This is 4-5 years old NIB. It's got Arabic serial numbers just like here in the ol' USA, but is also marked with Chinese characters on the side of the receiver. Typical? Strange? Oddball? Beware?? What say ye? Posted on Mar 08 1999, 07:17 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kanji Characters on Your ChiCom SKS by Richard Gould Sounds like you've got a mil spec weapon there, Lobo, as those Chinese letters spell out "SKS" for recruits of the Peoples' Liberation Army. Good for you. That gun will last you a life time. Posted on Mar 09 1999, 09:02 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Triangle on side of receiver by Tom Before "SKS" in Chinese is a triangle with Chinese characters inside it. What's it mean? Posted on Mar 09 1999, 06:31 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Highly Stylized Numbers Inside, Tom, Probably " 2 6 " by Richard Gould Denoting the carbine was produced at a Chunking, China based state-owned factory 296, a.k.a. the Jianshe Machine Tool Factory, the oldest operating plant in that country. Their production, to my mind, is tops. Enjoy your weapon. Posted on Mar 11 1999, 08:57 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Items for trade for SKS accessories/ammo...? by RUSSki I have the following items for trade for practically any SKS accessory or ammunition: 3D Blaster Banshee 16mb AGP 2D/3D video card - New in box with store receipt (less than 30 days since purchase) Paid $129.99 Maxell LC120 SuperDisk Drive (external) with SIX 120mb disks - New in box (paid $89 for drive; $45 for 5-pack disks less than 30 days ago). Plugs into parallel port, and also will read/write to "old" 1.44mb disks. Includes compression software that can put up to 240mb onto one LC120 disk. Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator - Less than 2 months old - In box with CD, manual, etc. Want-List (Just a guide - Make any offers you like for each or all above items): Ammunition - Russian FMJ or JHP - OR Steel-core. Would take one case for video-card; one case for SuperDisk Drive (w. Disks); and a sealed sleeve for MSComFltSim (or maybe three boxes of steel-core). Stocks - Choate folders (2) for either the card or the SuperDisk/Disks; OR maybe a folder and one of the synthetics with the extended portion where the butt-section begins. I'll trade the MSComFltSim PLUS $20 for just a folder or the "other" type alone. Miscellaneous - Spare parts, pin-on or twist-on brakes/hiders, scope w. mount, LOADS of like-new stripper clips, or... ? As I said, make an offer! I figure roughly $100 value each on the video card and on the SuperDisk Drive/Disks although I did pay a bit more than that. Maybe $30 on the MS Combat Flight Sim software (plus I'll add $20 cash for a stock or some ammunition). I am 36, ID, FFL,NICS, etc no problem. No law prohibits me from buying ammunition. Posted on Mar 08 1999, 04:36 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS stripper Clips by Scott Does anyone know of a good source for SKS stripper clips? Thanks Posted on Mar 08 1999, 01:14 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Me Too :-) by Survivor Looking for quantities of 100+, reasonably priced, thanks, Survivor Posted on Mar 08 1999, 02:34 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I just got 100 for... by swami $22, new in cosmoline, from TAPCO. Website at www.tapco.com But don't order the ProMag 30-rnd SKS mags--stay with the USA's. Good Luck! Posted on Mar 08 1999, 02:49 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- STRIPPER CLIPS by bugchaser Try these websites: http://www.classicarms.org http://www.jgsales.com http:/www.burnsbro.com Posted on Mar 08 1999, 10:06 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stripper Prices by The Confessor I know Tennessee Guns had them for $14.95/100 not long ago, but they had nothing else I wanted and with the shipping costs added it wasn't worth it. I just ordered some from Classic Arms today for $20/100. Seems to be the going range, unless you want to pay $10 or more on eBay!! Sorry I even mentioned those eBay sleaze merchants... Posted on Mar 09 1999, 05:52 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1400 @ 13 cents each... by RUSSki Place advertising in Shotgun News. That comes to $182.00 for 1400 clips. A LOT of clips, but a couple of shooters go go halfsies! That'd be $91 each for 700 clips each. Plenty for shootin' and plenty for friends should the NEED arise! ;) Posted on Mar 09 1999, 07:03 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- STRIPPER CLIPS by BUBBA Cheaper than dirt also has strippers. Find them at www.cheaperthandirt.com Posted on Mar 18 1999, 04:04 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fed rules on sks by cracker Draganoff stock whould this fall under the ruleing of pistol grip?compensater (not flash)added, proublem?B lug removed and bi-pod in its place,proublem?modified to accept AK mags and drums.Would all of the above incorperated on one pre ban china built sks be a ATF no no ?Opinions Posted on Mar 08 1999, 10:36 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS Ruled Not a Semi-Auto Assault Weapon by Richard Gould We've got this in writing. Should this BATF decision be reversed, which is always possible (we'd be the last to learn), then the parts number game would kick in. Unfortunately for Uncle Sam only the "frame" ("receiver," to you and I) are marked "MADE IN CHINA" or "MADE IN RUSSIA" thus it would seem reasonable that everything else on an imported rifle are U.S. made parts when bought. As I've never seen individual subassemblies stamped made anywhere, and as the rifles are in this country, it would only make sense that everything but the clearly identified pieces are Yankee born-and-bred, to use Fed logic -- as post-ban high capacity magazines, for example, are so marked, it is consistent to insist unmarked boxes are pre-ban and so on and so forth. Be careful that any aftermarket magazine you use doesn't have a floorplate stamped "MADE IN CHINA" as this would clear denote that one additional piece, the floorplate, counts against you. Of course, the above is rhetorical as the carbines are deemed "semi-automatic assault weapons" in the first place. Does the reasoning demonstrated here help you or I? Not a whit as the U.S. Departments of the Treasury and Justice have been acting as laws-unto-themselves for a number of years, especially during the last six. In my gut I suspect you're right, my friend, that a Choate or ATI aftermarket Dragunov-style sporting stock may not legally house any SKS for all practical purposes. One could challenge confiscation or arrest only who among us could afford the expense? Posted on Mar 08 1999, 10:58 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- typically replaced parts? by jojo i got an sks this weekend:) i like to keep on hand replacment parts that are known to be needed. what pieces in an sks are known to need replaceing over time? Posted on Mar 08 1999, 05:33 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You might try.... by swami www.tapco.com They (like other companies) offer the "SKS Essential Tools and Parts Kit" which includes firing pin, extractor w/spring, operating rod w/spring, safety spring, and a few others. Look at the website under SKS. Posted on Mar 08 1999, 10:28 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Repacement Parts by Dave-AZ Recoil spring for sure. After about 1500 rnds. I started getting misfires- 1 or 2 out of ten. Primer had a good dent, but no ignition. Cleaned the bolt good but still had misfires. After replacing the recoil spring, my SKS is back to 100% reliable. Dave-AZ Posted on Mar 08 1999, 06:13 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Replacement parts by Scott I'm no gunsmith, but are you sure you mean recoil spring? The recoil spring should have nothing to do with ignition of the cartridge. Do you mean hammer spring (or whatever it is called on an SKS)? The recoil spring should affect the rifle's ability to feed and eject, not detonate a cartridge. Posted on Mar 08 1999, 06:55 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- replacement parts by coyote I was in same boat as you. After some checking around, I went with Sarco "SKS survival kit "A" and a few other extras--piston, bolt, trigger spring & hammer. seemed to have the best prices of those I checked. www.sarcoinc.com Posted on Mar 12 1999, 06:45 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ammo ID. by Capt. Daves At last weekends gun show I purchased some ammo with yellow tips. Afterwards I went to the range and shot some of thease rounds & they had such a kick my sholder still hurts. I haven't felt this bad after a day at the range sence I inadverantly loaded a slug into a 12 Ga. shot barrel. I know black tips are AP's & green are tracers (I think). But what are yellow tips. Thease things hurt, I think I'm going to need a recoil pad to shoot um. Posted on Mar 07 1999, 08:00 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by Richard are these rounds Romanian ? if so then they may be rounds for a 7.62x39 sniper rifle they have that uses a maximum load 7.62x39 FMJ 123gr 2840fps/1893ft.lbs drop 100 meters 3.5" these have a real kick as i hear but don't know if they have a yellow tip ! btw : if i were you i'd stash these for d-day ;) Posted on Mar 08 1999, 01:39 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by Capt. Daves There not 7.62x39, there 7.62x54R. But I was under the assumption that bullet tip markings were a standard no matter what caliber they were. Thanks for the info though. Maybe I have sniper rounds in this caliber. If so I'll have to locate the dude I bought them from. I got 'em cheep. Posted on Mar 08 1999, 06:12 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Captain, You've Got Standard Ball Ammo There by Richard Gould Which comes in two sort, in 7.62x54mm cartridges. As you may know, the first spitzer version is known as the PLS or Pattern M-1908 (148-grain soft steel core). Samples of this ball ammo are always unmarked. Well, the second spitzer, or Pattern M-1930 (180-grain lead core) was introduced expressly for use in machine guns as there are long range ballistic advantages to it. Samples of this ball is generally indicated by a yellow nose. Sounds to me like this is what you've got. Does the latter pack a punch? You betcha. M-1930 is perfectly safe to shoot outta any surplus Mosin-Nagant. In fact there was a funny story I read recently about a famous female Russian sniper of World War Two fame, visited at the front, one day, by her regimental commander and ordered to fire upon a horse and cart drawing ammunition and other stocks from a Rumanian depot an estimated 1,500 meters distant. Well, she took to wailing away w/ her sniper rifle and PLS ammo. After eight shots she gave this up and sought out an off the rack M-1930 Mosin Nagant grunt's gun which she filled w/ yellow tips. Almost immediately she hit her horse. Enjoy your rifle and less-than-exotic ammo. Posted on Mar 14 1999, 09:43 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by Capt. Daves Thanks for the info Richard. Still gives me good reason to hold it back. Although My Negant is a very accurate weapon it only has a good barrel. I want to get a negant with an excellent barrel, fit it with a synthetic stock and scope mount. This sounds like the ammo I need for that rig. Capt. Daves Posted on Mar 14 1999, 12:49 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Trigger Guard Removal by Hamster OK, I give up. Bought a 30 round clip at the gun show today but can't figure out hoe to get the trigger guard off. Any help for a novice would be appreciated. Thanks! Posted on Mar 06 1999, 07:22 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Trigger guard removal by Survivor first make sure the safety is on and the gun is unloaded, then look at the back of the guard, you will see a little button there, push the button in, I use a phillips screwdriver, it might be hard to push, but it will go in, then it should just pull right out, then remove the box mag, reinsert the trigger and your ready to use the detachable mag. Posted on Mar 07 1999, 07:01 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Also when putting the trigger gaurd back in this helps by john If your gun is anything like mine it is going to be a pain in the you know what to put the trigger gaurd back in for the first couple times. See those metal bars by the spring on the stock. You have to put the trigger gaurd in then push forward and down HARD. It will eventually click back into place. Mine was so hard to put back into place I ended up having to put it on a table and push with both hands to get it back into place. It does get easier with time though. Posted on Mar 07 1999, 08:06 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by Richard it go's in fine if you instead of pushing it in you take the open palm of you hand ( this will hurt a little ! ) simply slam it and wala it go's in ! they forget to mention this little trick in the manual ;) Posted on Mar 08 1999, 03:01 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey Nick! by Lobo Just checkin' to see how your scope-mount project is coming. Keep in touch. Posted on Mar 06 1999, 06:19 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- scout scope mount by Nick It is done as of today (saturday march 6). I am going to take some pics of it tomorrow if I remember. Then I will ship it off to the lucky friend who gets to see if it fits and functions. I will post when he gets back to me and when pics become available. I will try to scan them and post on the web ASAP. I found out the prices on SKS's in my area (Akron, OH) and I was unhappy to find only 5 SKS's in the whole show and none for under $200. I was pissed. Any compassionate SKS lovers want to take pity on me and sell me one for $100?? Nick Posted on Mar 06 1999, 09:00 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scout mount by Lobo I'll be waiting to see what you've accomplished!! If you find someone to sell you a $100 SKS, see if they have two!! :-) Posted on Mar 07 1999, 05:55 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- watching the mailbox, by Brandon like a hawk, ordered a scope for it today and will have an envelope coming to you pretty soon too. thanks nick, will take pictures the day it comes in. Posted on Mar 11 1999, 08:17 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS used by some nuts to kill by SKS Owner Some gang members in Dallas shot and killed some people the other day. And yes they used an SKS rifle which the press got a really good picture of and aired it over the news. People like this are at least part of the reason we are facing getting our rights taken away, at least they give the anti gunners fuel to flame the fears of the uninformed. Posted on Mar 05 1999, 04:11 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So tell the uninformed the truth by john First let me say they shot the innocent bystander, right? It doesn't matter how many gang members are standing around, the innocent bystandered always gets hit. It just seems like it is a given. These people are idiots and I lose no sleep at night when gang members shoot each other. Yes, I know it looks bad and the uninformed of the world freak out but if you join a gang, in my way of thinking you just asking to get shot. It seems these people shoot everything but what they are aiming at and I think they should be sentenced to death(or at least alot of prision time) if they use a gun in shooting. Rember more people die in car crashes than with guns. I would suspect with an estimated 260 million guns in the U.S. there are many more guns than cars. Go to the NRA web sight and then go to the ILA part of it. It has some interesting facts in that part of the site. And remember we could reduce the number of fatal car crashes to zero if we make the speed limit 5 mph but no one wants to do that because saving those extra lives are not worth the time and inconvenence it causes to everyone else. Go figure. Posted on Mar 05 1999, 08:37 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Was it not the lead that killed? Who mined it? by swami Or maybe it was the copper jacket on the lead. Ban mining of metals. Posted on Mar 08 1999, 01:37 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh No, Stop The Madness by Capt. Daves While were at it why don't we ban hammers, screwdrivers, baseball bats, chair legs, glass bottels, oh yea can't forget knives, tire irons, cars, trucks, busses, potato pealers, hard bound books, any and all forms of cable or wire, hands; how many people have felt like choaking an eager photographer to death, little fuzzy ducks, Q-tips, cotton balls, Oh No, OH NO SOMEONE PLEASE STOP THE MADNESS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh Yea, We should also put a ban on people that ramble on & on & on & on & on. They can bore ya to death ya know. Just a few thoughts to ponder. Capt. Daves Posted on Mar 08 1999, 02:23 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Modify magazine legal? by Steve I wanted to modify a non-detachable SKS magazine to detachable. I think this is legal but installation would not be?? Thanx Posted on Mar 05 1999, 01:52 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- yes ctxt by Gewehr You must completely grind off the bayonet lug (if its still there) and only use thumbhole or "monte carlo" style stocks as per Section 922r . No pistol grip stocks or folders . If you live in California and maybe some other states don't do it , they have state laws against detachable mag sks's. But federal law allows it as long as you follow the above directions. Later Posted on Mar 05 1999, 05:53 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- what about 30 round nondetachable? by jojo what about 30 round nondetachable? do you have to do anything special to a sks that has a 30 round nondetachable mag installed? Posted on Mar 07 1999, 08:21 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WTB SKS Folder PLUS Computer for sale/trade... by Russ I am looking for a new/like new folding SKS stock. Also, I have a GREAT computer system w. extras for sale/trade to a FFL holder or business-site owner (only). A quick question, too: Has anyone used the red fiberglass "jungle" stocks? What is your opinion of them? Many Thanks! Posted on Mar 04 1999, 10:25 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- fiberglass stocks by Anonymous I bought a fiberglass stock from gloabal trading for $8.00 bucks. It took a little filing to make it fit my paratrooper, but it was worth $8.00. And it's better than alot of those wood stocks. Posted on Mar 06 1999, 03:34 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks! (no text) by RUSSki . Posted on Mar 06 1999, 09:40 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS for sale by Ranger Hey Russ, I just happen to have a 1954 Russian SKS w/folding stock, bayo, and 30 round detach mag, plus about 300 rounds of ammo and a great case for sale. This gun is in excellent condition. The bolt carrier is not painted black as indicated by refurbished "Russians" If I sold just the gun and mag, I'd have to get $400.00. I'll throw in everything else for $450.00. If interested E-mail me. Ranger Posted on Mar 07 1999, 04:02 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for an unusual SKS by Grant R. Aikin A few years ago someone was putting out a Paratrooper SKS (16in. bbl) with a grey/green plastic stock. It had no bayonet lug. I saw one in a gun store and the guy told me that this was a one time run and no more would be imported. Where can I find this gun and who imported it? Does it have a common name that I can refer to when I ask around? I live in Washington D.C. (no laughing) and the SKS is one of the very few semi-auto rifles I can own here. Help! Posted on Mar 03 1999, 08:02 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Olive Drab SKS Aftermarket Stock by Richard Gould Grant, I recall this rifle and advertisement well tho the name of the import company escapes me. In 1997 I did my damnest to track down these folks and order one of their stock sets. They'd gone out of business during the intervening year, accepted my letter but failed to respond. The telephone number published in the SHOTGUN NEWS was no good, several years ago, either. They were not marketing Paratrooper rifles, in 1996, rather the stock set you described. You may recall they had a bunch of other firearms related items manufactured in the Peoples' Republic of China yet the only guns they offered was the - then - rather sensation NDM-86 Dragunov-style rifle in 7.62mm N.A.T.O. which seems weird in that the Clinton ban on militaria from his biggest campaign contributor was two years old by the time these weapons became available for sale. Where in D.C. do you live? That's my home town. Posted on Mar 04 1999, 11:11 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by Grant R. Aikin Currently, in SE on the Hill. But the gun I am talking about was being sold as a unit. I remember a write up on it in G&A and actually handled one in a gun store. The importer was taking 16" cromed bbl paratrooper SKS's, refinishing them in phosphate, refurnishing them with a heavily checkered grey/green zytel stock and selling them as a new gun. Posted on Mar 05 1999, 07:14 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In the Shadow of the Capitol by Richard Gould Sounds like a pretty good set up, Grant. I know your neighborhood well. Been to parties, visited friends in residence, and, of course, parked illegally to visit the Library of Congress on numerous occasions. I worked for 15-years down the hill in the marsh at the National Archives prior to its debasement. One item of interest I uncovered there (at the National Archives) is connected w/ SKS rifles, namely a captured German military technical intelligence report on the Simonov auto-loading carbine 1944 pattern. Sure wish I can review that document today. GunRat posted here that he has an original arsenal rebuild NORINCO w/ the features you seek. This doesn't surprise me at all tho I do recall that the import company advertising in SHOTGUN NEWS was moving furniture sets, once upon a time, for around $40.00 a flip. Pity they can't be reached. I'm grateful to have GunRat's report as it's always a treat to learn more about what actually reached the U.S. market. Grant, if you're interested in safe shooting facilities, let me know at this site and I'll get you squared away as best I can. Posted on Mar 07 1999, 11:44 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by Grant R. Aikin Thanks. Mostly I go to a place out in VA. I am also in the MD National Guard, so I do get quite a bit of range time. Posted on Mar 09 1999, 10:24 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ltd.paratrooper by gun rat I have one it was made as a limited run by Norinco has green nylon stock (not aftermarket)is fully parkerized and everything is milled receiver,trigger,etc.Nice gun I would not part with it for the world and I have not been able to find another one like it at any gun shows in CA, NV orAZ. Posted on Mar 06 1999, 01:42 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- questions from a newbie by jojo A guy let me shoot his sks at the range this weekend and now im thinking about getting one. Ive been looking around trying to learn what i need to know befor i buy one. If someone could answer a few questions Id be grateful. 1 SKS-D, SKS-M, SKS-Norinco. what are the diferences? and on this same note what is the difference in the chinese and russian models? 2 postban preban. whats the difference? 3 can ya get dies to reload the shells? 4 just in general, when i look at an sks at the gun show what should i look at? are there any warning signs to let me know a bad sks when i see one? thanks a bunch jojo Posted on Mar 03 1999, 07:26 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Back at cha newbie by Capt. Daves 1. I'm not sure what the D & M are for but Norinco is the Chinese version. 2. What your willing to pay. Pre ban Chinese SKS's can have a bayonette mounted on them. For this privlage you'll pay an extra 100 to 150 dollars. I don't think theres a diffrence in the Russian models. 3. Don't!!! SKS rounds are CHEEP. And most are berdan primed. It's not worth reloading them. 4. I've heard of a few folks having slam fire problems but I've never met any of them. There a very good, reliable firearm. Inspect it as you would any other rifle & you should get a good one. Have Fun Capt. Daves Posted on Mar 03 1999, 01:07 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: back at cha newbie by The Confessor >1. I'm not sure what the D & M are for but Norinco is the Chinese version. Both are technically SKS-D models (my model D has "SKS M" stamped on the receiver. These are models that accept standard AK magazines. >2. What your willing to pay. Pre ban Chinese SKS's can have a bayonette mounted on them. For this privlage you'll pay an extra 100 to 150 dollars. I don't think theres a diffrence in the Russian models. More or less true. I still would question the legality of a bayonette on ANY Chinese SKS, althought the Russians are protected regardless of import date because they are a Curio/Relic gun as defined by the BATF. Also, the Russians are only protected for bayonette mounts if they are unaltered, so be careful. >3. Don't!!! SKS rounds are CHEEP. And most are berdan primed. It's not worth reloading them. Mostly agree. A friend of mine reloads ANYTHING regardless of logic, if you're like him the answer is yes, you can get reloading supplies. >4. I've heard of a few folks having slam fire problems but I've never met any of them. There a very good, reliable firearm. Inspect it as you would any other rifle & you should get a good one. I own three SKS models (1951, 1965 and 1994 manufacture) and have NEVER experienced a slamfire. Buy the Duncan Long book "The SKS 45 Carbine" and read it!! Most slamfires are due to bad reloads or improper firing pin insertion, and doubling can occur with bad machining or wear. My suggestion is to avoid "commercial" Norinco production models as, in my experience, they seem to be of the lowest quality. Look for a Chinese model that has Chinese characters stamped on the receiver (they are generally military production) or buy a Russian. The Russians are generally in the best shape, whereas some Chinese military models I've seen were well used. Posted on Mar 03 1999, 01:46 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you get a chinese the unissued military are nice if you can find one by john They are getting more difficult to find. If you find one for gods sakes clean out the cosmoline form all the parts of the rifle. Make sure the pin moves easily. If you don't get it all off the pin the gun is likely to go full auto on you after you let go of the bolt. I wouldn't put a bayonette on any sks if it didn't come with one. The Russians are the exeption and I would leave them unaltered. If someone is selling an unissue sks (or any millitary for that matter) check to make sure all the serial numbers are the same. Check the inside of the gas tube and barrel to see if it has rust on it from shooting corrosive ammo (if it isn't unissued). Lastly if the gun is being sold as unissued ask the seller (because it takes some effort to get it back together) to remove the trigger group. Make sure the saftey is on and the bolt all the way back in the locked position. Look at the hammer on the trigger group. If all the blueing is worn off or the seller won't take it apart don't buy it. The blueing should be nearly perfect with little to no marks on it (at least mine was). Some are test fired by the importer so it might have a little amount of marks on it. If all the blueing is worn off it still might be in OK shape, but the seller is charging way too much and just lied to you. If you want to buy it, thats up to you. Posted on Mar 03 1999, 08:08 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- what to look for by Ranger How much money are you willing to part with? The Russians are better quality and by virtue of their collectors status are more valueble and therefore more expensive initially. The Chinese are not collector's items so they are often $100- $300.00 cheaper depending on the condition. Check the barrel receiver(inside and out), bolt carrier, trigger group and gas tube for corrosian. You don't need a bayo, so don't worry about one. Chinese in good condition are going for $200- $300. Russians I've seen for up to $600.00 used. Don't buy any SKS for $500 Ranger Posted on Mar 07 1999, 04:13 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PULLING BULLETS TO RELOAD by GEORGE PENROSE I BELIEVE I SAW A NOTE FROM A SUBSCRIBER WHO WANTED TO PULL 300 WIN. PROJECTILES AND PUT THEM INTO 30-06 CASES. IF SOMEONE IS AWARE OF THIS PLEASE CONTACT ME ON MY BUDDYS E-MAIL. THANKS Posted on Mar 02 1999, 09:38 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HP jams by Careful Mine gun won't feed HP ammo from the left side of the magazine (stock Russian 10 rounder). It smacks the end of the breech and shoves the bullet down in the case. I have to dump the mag to clear it. No problem with FMJ. Anyone else have this problem? How did you solve it? (I thought I’d see if there where any suggestions before I started grinding and bending) Posted on Mar 02 1999, 01:33 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This Can Happen in Certain Rifles Fitted with Recoil Buffers: Remove Buffer or Switch to FMJ (ntxt) by Dingo xxx Posted on Mar 12 1999, 07:46 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WTS: Chinese Steel Core 7.62 X 39 Ammo by Aug $ 10.00 / 20 rnd. box + shipping in any quanity. I am an individual selling this ammunition. See pics at link below; http://www.freeyellow.com/members5/indiancove/steel.jpg Posted on Mar 02 1999, 12:55 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Slightly off subject, Sorry. by Capt. Daves Does anyone know if theres a Dragonov style stock made for the Molsen Negant & about how much is would run? Posted on Mar 02 1999, 06:00 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WTS: Chinese SKS $ 200.00 delivered.........ctxt.......... by Aug All matching numbers, milled, real clean just cleaned all cosmoline out of it & test fired. Added one of my scope mounts to it. $ 200.00 delivered to your FFL Posted on Mar 01 1999, 09:46 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- INTERESTED IS SKS by STEVE CONDITION RATING? WILL IT TAKE AK MAGS? UNFIRED OR FIRED? Posted on Mar 04 1999, 10:36 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rifle has been Sold!!!!!!!!!! by Aug ntxt Posted on Mar 07 1999, 11:11 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WTS: New Design SKS Scope Mount.......$ 9.95 ea. by Aug New SKS scope mount, 1-hex screw replaces the take down pin and 2-hex screws tighten pressure aganist the back of the receiver. Re-zero's when removed & replaced. Retail is $19.95.... I just picked up over 700 units from the manufacturer below cost and am passing the savings on to you. You can order one or a dozen at this price. Please include $3.25 for shipping. Postal money orders only accepted for payment. Posted on Mar 01 1999, 09:39 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- See at www.freeyellow.com/members5/indiancove/sks.jpg by Aug Ntxt. Posted on Mar 01 1999, 09:40 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- scope mount by rosiland davenport tell me how to order scope mounts Posted on Mar 06 1999, 02:25 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Address inside.......................ctxt............ by Aug $ 9.95 + $ 3.25 shipping, US POSTAL MONEY ORDERS ACCEPTED ONLY, Send to; TERRY HENSLEY BOX 151142 WHITE SETTLEMENT, TEXAS 76108-1142 Posted on Mar 07 1999, 11:14 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20 round fixed....anyone? by Lobo I'm leaning toward the 20 round fixed magazine to use in my SKS...charged with two strippers, not so long as to be in the way if shooting prone..... simplicity. Anyone using these???? There seem to be a handful of different brands available....what works best? Posted on Feb 28 1999, 09:32 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20 round fixed....anyone? by MNC I can't say about the fixed twenty rounders, but I have a semi-fixed thirty rounder. The problem I had is that after you put the first stripper clip in, the bolt is no longer held back and you then have to juggle holding the bolt back while putting in the next stripper clip. I don't like juggling loaded firearms (maybe I'm just a klutz) so I leave the original ten rounder on. Posted on Feb 28 1999, 11:50 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- re: 20 rnd fixed by ron I have tried a couple of fixed 20 round mags for my SKS. Both were Chinese mfg. but the first try was a littel rough, needed some fine tuning, never got it to work relieably. Ordered the next one from Classic Arms. It came "new in grease" much better fit and finish. Installed and have used it for about 250 rounds with not one malfunction. Loading is a litle tricky as posted previously, but with a full charge of 20, you get a good initial string of firepower then you can use strippers as needed. The 20 round fixed is much better for prone shooting than the 30 rounders. Classic has 'em cheap and they work! Posted on Mar 01 1999, 10:02 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I had one and it worked OK after a few changes by john It was made in China. It wasn't made to the same quality as the ten round fixed that came with the gun. It really took a lot of pressure to load all twenty rounds in the mag. Then the thing wouldn't feed. It looked like mag was almost to low in the gun. The bolt would go halfway forward then stop. I then compaired it to the factory mag. The top part to the magazine which holds the shells in (the "lips") were way too long. I had to whip out the old Dremel tool and do some careful grinding to the mag. I took about half an inch off the "lips" for lack of a better word. I still might take some more off if it ever jams. I haven't had that problem yet. The neck of the shell would hit the bottom part of the chamber causing a massive indent to the shell. Reloading would be out the the question at first. The dent isn't nearly as big now, after the grinding. I think I can make it so there is no dent on the shell by grinding somemore off the mag but since I don't reload and haven't had any jams I think I will leave it alone. Posted on Mar 01 1999, 05:05 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Been Happy With Mine by SKS Owner I've bought a new chinese fixed 20 rounder and have not had any problems. It seems pretty well made. I still have 3 30 round detachables also since no more can be made. Posted on Mar 05 1999, 04:25 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS M? by JonnyBoy I have an SKS M rifle and I understand that this uses the AK 47 detachable magazine. My problem is that it will not pick up the round from the magazine and put it into the chamber. Has anyone else had this problem to? Post any hints or tips.-JonnyBoy Posted on Feb 27 1999, 08:57 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- no problems w/mine by .45phil I don't know what your SKS 'M' means. My SKS 'Norinco' was made to accept AK mags and I have had no problems feeding any 7.62X39 ammo. Posted on Feb 27 1999, 08:14 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Feed problems by Gog JonnyBoy I use those mags cut to seven rounds. I had two such problems initially with mine .The first was that the front lug could be inserted below the the receiver and catch on the metal insert in the stock ,meaning that the bolt didn't pick up a round at all. The second was that that the round would lift nose first and be caught by the bolt half way as it slid over the top,bending it. Filing the the lips of mag to to give slightly larger gap and a slight angle fixed it. Very little was needed 1 or 2 millimetres!!! I also took some of the sharp edges off the receiver Your rifle your risk Good luck Gog Posted on Feb 28 1999, 01:41 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sticking it in by Ally When you stick it in, you got to stick it in all the way. Then when you push in the back part that clicks into the receiver latch-thing, you might have a little difficulty.. It's tight the first couple of times. Sometimes the front of the magazine can latch onto some other lower part of the frame of your receiver, and it seems like it "clicked" in securely, but really its just sitting there, lower than it should be! Ally Posted on Feb 28 1999, 03:16 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Part Help by Freedom1 I need a hammer pin. Would someone know where I can get one, or how could I make one? Thanks Posted on Feb 27 1999, 06:27 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A source....maybe by Lobo I've got the Feb 15 issue of Shotgun News open to an ad by Sarco, Inc (908 647 3800). They have a large selection of SKS parts advertized including the hammer and hammer spring. Might be they have your pin. Good luck. Posted on Feb 27 1999, 07:52 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Have you tried.... by swami TAPCO? Go to www.tapco.com and request a free catalog. I don't have mine here to check it, but they have a whole bunch of sks parts. Good luck. Posted on Feb 27 1999, 05:20 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- They don't have it by freedom1 Would someone have a spare hammer with the hammer pin on it to sell or trade? Thanks Posted on Mar 05 1999, 01:46 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You Can Get *ANYTHING* At... by Me www.gunpartscorp.com Well, actually you jave to order the catalog first, but: They claim the have over 650 million parts. You pay more, but if you gotta have, you gotta have it. Me Posted on Mar 05 1999, 04:37 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ...Alice's Restaurant! (Sorry, couldn't resist) by arlo So I was bored! Posted on Mar 09 1999, 08:49 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7.62x25 Ammo or Tokarev - Any more comments? by TakMan As I noted in a previous post, I have a Chinese model TU-90 Tokarev clone coming and have bought some Chinese, Polish and Czech ammo to try though it. Any more experiences/comments to share with this anxious old kid? Posted on Feb 26 1999, 06:25 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by Capt. Daves I purchased a CZ-52 chambered in Tokarev some years back. Hard hittin ol' brute, and I've not had a single machanical malfunction with it. Although I purchased mine at a very good price and it'll need to visit the gun doc for a barrel alagnment. It shoots way (And I mean way) off to the right. Just one of those things I'll eventually get to. Oh well, have fun with yours. BTW, This is a round that the police would rather not have. Legend has it that this is one of the few pistol rounds that makes a bullet proof vest useless. Posted on Feb 26 1999, 09:07 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- actually this round only makes US issue class IIA and worse.. by dgb useless. The Asian cops are smarter and issue Tok proof vests, at least Hong Kong does. Of course even when it goes through a US vest its about the equivileant of a 32 acp at 50 yards, wouldn't want to get shot by one, but would not want to rely on one either, but I like my CZ anyhow. Posted on Mar 03 1999, 10:44 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Find more forums on Firearms Create your own forum at Netbabbler SKS Discussion Forum SKS Discussion Forum This board is dedicated to the discussion of the SKS rifle, feel free to ask all your questions here. I have decided to allow buying and selling of SKS (only)parts and accessories on this board. Send Comments and Questions to Survivor Survival Buy and Sell Forum General Gun Talk AK Discussion Forum -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What Ammo? by Survivor Does everyone use? What have you had the best accuracy with? I have some Chinese FMJ, German FMJ, Romanian SP and Russian HP, I didn't notice much accuracy difference between them all, and I have shot quite a bit, other viewpoints? Posted on Feb 26 1999, 05:06 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pretty much same experience by Virgil Caine I've shot variations of all those you mentioned plus a couple of white and yellow box US manufacture. Accuracy was fair for all of them. But, no complaints, I'm not the worlds best shot anyway. Keep up the good work. Posted on Feb 26 1999, 05:57 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I saw a gun test once and this is what grouped best by john The gun used was made by norinco and had the chromed bore. The round that shot the best in the test was the remington 125 psn(pionted soft nose) which averaged about 3 1/2 inches for a five shot group at 100 yards with open sights. Also shooting about 3 1/2 inches is the winchester 123 psn. Only bad thing is they are too darn expensive to plink with. Indiviual rifles shoot differant bullets better than others so I'd see what groups I got with the cheap stuff first. Posted on Feb 26 1999, 09:16 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Same Same by Capt. Daves I've shot a few diffrent brands. Never saw a diffrence worth mentioning. I just use the cheepo Russan HP & clean well afterward. Posted on Feb 26 1999, 09:29 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Russian FMJ was not grouping well going back to S&B by john I had some russian tcw fmj and I am not going to shoot it anymore. I was getting bad groups so I am going back to sellier and bellot fmj. Shot nearly as well with it as i did with the win. white box stuff. I also think S&B burns cleaner than the russian stuff. Maybe I was just shooting bad that day but my groups were really bad and I always clean the barrel after shooting. Maybe it is all up in my head, but I think I shoot better with S&B and that is what I will shoot from now on. Posted on Mar 07 1999, 04:00 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WTS: SKS Trigger Group by CUB 1 left at $85.00 shipped e-mail if interested Thanks Scott Big Bear Arms http://www.bigbeararms.com Posted on Feb 26 1999, 03:45 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS accuracy standard? by Oscar I was wondering if any one owns or has seen any old russian military training manuals ect. noting the military standard for the maximum effective range for the(mil spec)SKS? I was interested in seeing a standard for the max.eff.range to give me something to shoot for,since alot depends on the shooter and technique.Any info would be appreciated. thanks Posted on Feb 25 1999, 05:38 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mil Spec SKS Shooting by Richard Gould Oscar, you'd do well to pick up a copy of THE OFFICIAL SKS MANUAL: INSTRUCTIONS FOR USE AND MAINTENANCE OF THE 7.62MM SIMONOV SELF-LOADING CARBINE translated by Major Fames Gebhardt and published by Paladin Press, Boulder Colorado, 1997. Therein you'll find a useful table called "Mean Quantity of Ammo Required to Defeat Single Exposed Target w/ One Round (page 80)." As you know, the effective range (actually this is the battle-sight range at chest-high targets) of your carbine is about 390 yards (365 meters); your rifle is dangerous out to 1,650 yards. At that distance, the book would have you take two shots for each target presenting their heads and/or chests, but you're expected to nail somebody standing or running. In fact you should be able to grease somebody just standing around at 440 yards. Not too shabby for a much maligned, "obsolete" military arm. Posted on Feb 25 1999, 07:10 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is it realistic? by Steve S. I would be impressed if this was true. Have you had this range of accuracy? If so, whats your secrets? I heard you will improve your accuracy by removing your bayonet and cleaning rod? I will be going to the range soon to try this out... I really need to practice! Posted on Feb 26 1999, 07:58 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yup, It's Realistic by Dingo I've got my own copy of the book Mr. Gold has he's reproduced the numbers given in that Russian manual. I'd also say that Part Two of the work, "Methods and Rules of Firing with the Carbine" include many line drawings of Red Army servicemen shooting in various positions, and they're always shown banging away with bayonets fixed. When you examine your carbine you'll see that the barrel is too far from being free floating that the bayonet and cleaning rod really cannot affect harmonics sufficient to degrade accuracy. My own experience with the gun informs me that the bayonet fixed takes some recoil out and lends balance to the piece. Having the cleaning rod handy is always a good idea and where else better to stow it than under the barrel. I reckon that a fella with 20-20 eye sight, good cardio-vascular health, and carefully chosen ammunition will do at least as well as the mil spec offers, maybe better. Posted on Feb 26 1999, 03:07 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks a bunch guys by Oscar Looks like I need to head out to the range. Posted on Mar 01 1999, 09:02 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Current SKS gunshow prices by Nick Sorry for asking this, but I want to pick up an SKS this sunday at a gunshow. I realize prices vary by region, but can anyone give me a ballpark figure for a good used SKS? I looked on gunsamerica.com to try to get a feel for the prices, 175-200 seems like the norm. Are these prices inflated somewhat? Kinda seems so, but maybe this is a typical gunshow price too. Thanks a lot guys. Posted on Feb 25 1999, 01:48 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'll check this weekend by Survivor Going to a show this weekend in Sioux Falls, I will check out the prices and post them here, anybody else going to a show could check out the prices in their area and post them here also, so we all have an idea what the rate is around the country. Posted on Feb 25 1999, 02:57 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Expect to Pay Around $200.00 (c txt) by Richard Gould I cannot pass a table w/o looking over every SKS thereon, so it can be reported w/ great confidence that the $175 to $200 tab for a Chinese SKS will hold this coming weekend in the Pacific northwest. If anything, an upwards creep has been noticed over the last several months. Be advised to watch the crowd as much as the tables at your next show for you may be able to purchase privately for $150 or so and walk away w/o informing the Criminal Division of the U.S. Department of Justice that you are now the proud owner of a firearm. Yes, this behavior is exactly what President Clinton is urging state and federal legislatures to prohibit. Russian SKSs in these parts move for $220 to $400. Posted on Feb 25 1999, 03:42 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by Capt. Daves I'm heading to Bill Goodmans Gun & Knife Show in Dayton Oh. Saturday. I'll check & see what there running here for ya. Posted on Feb 26 1999, 06:22 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From the great land of Dayton Oh ho ho by Capt. Daves Norinco Around $210.00 I did see one preban with a spike baonette going for $360.00. Russians were going for between $300.00 & $400.00. I know this is a little off the suject, but does anyone know if there is a dragonov style stock made for the Molsen Negant and about how much it would cost? Capt. Daves Posted on Feb 28 1999, 10:54 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Let you know by The Confessor Going to a gunshow in Jim Thorpe, PA today, I'll try to let a message tonight on prices... Posted on Feb 27 1999, 02:43 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Holy S**t by The Confessor Wow! Were prices unreal at this show! It was a small show (only 150 tables) and prices were out of this world. Chinese 19" Barrel non-military - $250 Chinese 16" Paratrooper - $230 Russian 19" 1952 Tula - $300 I guess if you really wanted one the prices aren't that obnoxious, but compared to what I've paid within the last 6 months they are up about $50. Posted on Feb 27 1999, 10:55 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Prices by Survivor Well I was at a big show, and the prices weren't that bad: Standard SKS w/bayo lug $135.00-$175.00 Russian Laminated stock SKS $275.00 Russian Hardwood stock $230.00 there was one guy with a Norinco at $275.00, but I didn't see any of them selling, now on the good side, I picked up a Armscorp M1600 .22 lr for $125.00, and a Barrel extension,sling and K-Grip for my M/11 for $32.00 NIB, what really suprised me was preban AR lowers for $375.00, wish I had the extra cash right now, I would have bought all three of them. Posted on Feb 27 1999, 04:35 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Question on the preban AR lowers. by Virgil Caine My understanding is that even though the lowers may predate the ban, they can't be assembled into preban configuration w/o breaking some wild and wacky law. Posted on Feb 27 1999, 10:35 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lowers by Survivor As long as they were assembled into a weapon prior to the ban, they cam be configured in to a pre-ban rifle, How do you know they were assembled prior to the ban? You don't, but niether does anyone else. Posted on Feb 28 1999, 06:13 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pre- or post-ban? by Gary It's true that the receiver had to be assembled into a rifle (not just manufactured) before the effective date of the ban in order to be legally "pre-ban". Meaning that if you have a stockpile of AR-15 receivers that were purchased before the ban, you can no longer use them to build pre-ban configuration weapons. If you have a receipt showing your purchase of the receiver (and the receipt shows a pre-ban date) AND you have receipts for the other parts (which also show pre-ban dates), you might just convince a judge that the rifle is legally pre-ban. However, if you filled out a 4473 on a receiver AFTER the ban, you're out of luck. That, or the receiver's serial number (if post-ban) would be all the evidence needed to prove that the rifle is "illegal". That's why these guys charging more for "pre-ban" AR lower receivers are mainly ripping off their purchasers. Well,if the sale is a person-to-person undocumented transaction, then a pre-ban lower could be worth more. I'd have to verify the serial number as pre-ban before I paid the extra, though. Just build it as a post-ban gun, you'll never miss the threaded muzzle or bayonet lug, honest. Sorry to take up all this room on a non-SKS matter, but I'm putting the final touches on a post-ban AR upper in 7.62x39, so there IS an SKS connection, sort of! Gary Posted on Mar 01 1999, 08:21 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS prices by Bill Took a little trip today about 75 miles south of Atlanta. While traveling through a little town I saw a pawn shop and pulled in to check out the gun scene. He had about 10 Chinese SKS guns in great condition ranging from $149-225. If you are in a major city, it might be worth the drive out into the county to find some cheaper guns. Posted on Feb 27 1999, 04:22 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Show in Central Florida by RUSSki Show here (27/28FEB)... prices on EVERYTHING are UP. Show is CROWDED beyond belief and FFLs are calling their shops, telling their people to "bring everything" as it ALL is selling. Y2K is going to keep the shows this way, folks. There are legions of Yuppies and Urbanites with lots of platinum-plastic and outright cash-in-hand. They charge in and say "Give me this, that, that and two of those" without blinking at the price tags. Must be nice! Enough envy, but what it means is that for us "rank & file" troops, the shows aren't going to be too much fun for a while. I'll still attend, mostly for the spectacle and the pride felt at seeing a (still, for now) FREE people arm themselves. For my buys, I'll investigate mail-order houses and visit rural areas. I'll also have relatives in "other" geographical areas keep me posted on prices and availability of wanted-items. Regarding SKS prices, I see 'em ALL here for no less than $250 (plain). If the guns have the "black" stocks and add-ons, then they go for $300 to $400 easy. If you want and need an SKS prior to Y2K, FIND AND BUY ONE NOW. Don't wait too long looking for a "deal" as they are all going up and up. And what you have, keep. A bit closer to Y2K and your plain lil' "extra" SKS will easily get you hundreds more than you paid. This is a totally unprecedented event (Y2K) that is looking increasingly bad. People sense this, are growing scared, and the sky's the limit price-wise on guns, ammo and gear. Good Luck! Posted on Feb 28 1999, 05:06 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chinese SKS Question on Bayonet Legality.......ctxt......... by Aug I have a Chinese SKS and want to know if its legal to have the bayonet on the weapon ? How do you know if it is legal ? The gun is milled and has a screwed in barrel. Serial number ? Importer ? Date ?? I need help determinating if this is legal or not ? Respond to my e-mail. Thanks to all..... Posted on Feb 24 1999, 08:53 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ChiCom Bayonets & Carbines by Richard Gould Aug, if you'd breezed through the multiple posts at the site you'll notice a great deal of confusion on the question you raised. After great deliberation, I conclude that the BATF "ban" on Chinese SKS rifles combined w/ bayonets applied to commercial importers only and that an individual may legally attach a bayonet assembly to a rifle that was imported w/ an intact lug. The head of the Technical Division of the BATF stated baldly that SKS rifles are not semiautomatic assault weapons, four years ago and I take him at his so-called word on that. If you own a gun store, receive a crate of Chinese guns w/o bayonets, you might be prudent not to tack bayonets on them as they are being made available for sale at your establishment. Remember, BATF is a component of the U.S. Department of Treasury responsible for the collection of excise taxes assigned to booze, tobacco products and National Firearms Act weapons brought to the U.S. market place, and is therefore not a law enforcement agency per se. Posted on Feb 25 1999, 07:36 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ChiCom Carbines & Bayonets - Part Two by Richard Gould To use an example, we all have seen cheap bottles of wine from Chile on store shelves. BATF approved the import of each label and assessed a tax which we pay at point of sale. The importer paid an additional fee to U.S. Customs, another component of U.S. Department of the Treasury. Everything's fine and working well. What might BATF have to say should you purchase a bottle, take it home, pull the cork, pour out half the contents, then refill w/ grain alcohol. You've boosted the alcohol content above five proof, you've created a cocktail. Yet you've broken no law or BATF regulation until you set this up as a commercial enterprise to sell Aug-Cocktails at a profit. BATF issues licenses to individuals and companies, the well known F.F.L.s The applicants pay a tax. So far so good. The agency is acting w/in its proper sphere. Certain of these licenses must be applied for by manufacturers. We can understand that too. At the same time, an individual may manufacture a firearm for her/himself w/o a manufacturer's F.F.L. The point of this over long post is that BATF was established to regulate commercial practices and to aid in the collection of customs, duties, fees relating to enterprise. Prior to 1913, the Fed government was largely funded in this way, by small agencies like BATF. During the last thirty years, however, things have changed dramatically so much so that today this small Treasury Department body has a standing army at its beck and call. To match this new power of physical coercion, BATF has enacted a body of regulation to effect sloppy Congressional legislation that no English-speaking person can find to be intelligible or consistent. And, as others have commented, BATF has a habit of issuing new regulations in secret w/o public airing in the FEDERAL REGISTER or elsewhere. I believe the agency letter ("ban") to importers concerning bayonets in boxes of ChiCom carbines to be introduced to the U.S. market was more open than most of their pronouncement, but we can see the confusion that it has wrought nine years later. So, Aug, what is legal? Beats me. Beats "John" and other guys posting here. You've read my suggestion that Uncle Sam has no business telling a subject what she/he may or may not do to customize their own property. Would I prevail before a Federal judge? My best advice is to own the proper bayonet, only don't haul it into a public place. If you're shooting is restricted to your farm/ranch/property, then go for it. Be prudent. Watch six. Enjoy your rifle. Posted on Feb 25 1999, 08:14 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Russian milled triger group => chinese sks??? by Nick Is it possible, or should I say is it an easy operation to replace a chinese stamped triger group with a milled russian one? Anyone ever done this? Is it a "drop in" fit -- it should be if the chinese and russian versions were "mil-spec", if that even existed when they were made. My thought was to buy a russian trigger group as a spare and put it in if I had to. Or is it easy enough to just change em and keep the chinese as the spare? Thanks. Survivor, thanks for a great site! Nick Posted on Feb 24 1999, 05:07 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you know of a source for trigger groups, russian or chinese? nt by RLW . Posted on Feb 24 1999, 09:02 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- no place in particular (c txt) by Nick I have seen both at gunshows and a few for sale online. I dont know of any place that stocks them, but I imagine you can find one if you look hard enough. I dont have one yet, just kicking around the idea. Nick Posted on Feb 25 1999, 07:56 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TRIGGER GROUPS by BUBBA Mark Kubes has a few stamped Chinese. He is in Largo, Florida. Posted on Mar 16 1999, 09:40 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Should swap out and work fine by Steve S. I have switched trigger groups in mine and it has worked fine. Posted on Feb 26 1999, 08:24 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shooting out a barrel? by john I know the sks isn't a tack driver but I have a question about shooting out a barrel. I heard something somewere where someone was shooting a gun too fast and they "washed out the barrel throat which ruined the gun for further accuracy work." They also said that if a gun is to hot to hang on to the barrel throat errosion can occur. Now with my sks I am getting about 1 inch 5 shot groups at 50 with open sights. (Win. white box ammo FMJ) or so yards shooting from the sitting position. The barrel on my gun is pinned so getting a replacement barrel is pretty much out of the question if I ruin the barrel. Has anyone out their ever noticed a decrease in accuracy after a lot of rapid fire shooting? When did it occur and was the rifle barrel ever cleaned? I was wondering if the accuracy decrease would only be noticealbe in match grade target rifles like the AR-15 with target barrels. I've been taking it pretty easy on my sks but would like to rattle off some twenty round bursts now and then. Thanks for any imput. Posted on Feb 23 1999, 05:08 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RE:Shooting out barrel by Survivor I have never seen that, but I guess it could happen if you were firing a couple of hundred rounds in fast succession, but using stripper clips I just don't see that happening :-), it's not something I would worry about, accuracy usually isn't a major concern with the SKS, if you are worried about it, I would get another SKS to shoot the h*ll out of and keep one for "good". Posted on Feb 23 1999, 05:28 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks I wondered if that was it by john They were talking about an AR-15 that was being used to do a gun test. See how many rounds it would fire before it would start acting up. So it is safe to assume they were really running some shells through it. Posted on Feb 24 1999, 06:31 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I wouldn't worry about it. by Capt. Daves I've been shootont mine for apx. 3 yrs. Sometimes 30 round rapidfire, sometimes a round at a time for accuracy. Even in slowfire the barrel gets HOT, & I agree with Survivor. The SKS is a down and dirty weapon. Noted for dependability more than accuracy. Although I'm still getting pretty good groups out to 100 yards & on a good day I can hit a 1 gal. paint can at 300 yards, With open sights. Posted on Feb 24 1999, 06:58 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BARREL EROSION by GEORGE PENROSE IF YOU ARE REALLY CONCERNED YOU CAN USE THE NEW COATING SOME OF THE MAJOR BULLET MAKERS ARE COATING THEIR PRODUCT WITH. BE CAREFUL COAT THE PROJECTILE ONLY, AS YOU DONT WANT TO AGGREVATE THE CHAMBER, WHICH COULD RAISE THE PRESSURE Posted on Mar 02 1999, 09:53 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NEED INFO. ON WHAT TO CHANGE ON NEW SKS by j rodriguez I HAD JUST BOUGHT A NEW SKS. I NEED SOME INFORMATION ON WHAT I SHOULD DO TO BRING THE RIFLE UP TO SPEED. STOCK, SLINGS, SIGHTS,ECT. I WOULD ALSO LIKE INFO. ON WHAT IS LEGAL OR NOT WHEN CHANGING THE MAGAZINE OR STOCK. Posted on Feb 23 1999, 04:20 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Call and/or write the ATF by john Local and state laws vary. What might be legal where you live might not be somewhere else. Cheaper than dirt has some sights for the sks. Any stock is better than what came with my gun. After maket stocks are all pretty much the same and can be found numerous places. Posted on Feb 23 1999, 04:52 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don't Call/Write the ATF by Dingo Flagging yourself for Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF)attention is not exactly the smart thing to do in 1999. You've exercised "choice" and it's no one's business -- Uncle Sam's especially. It is bad advice at present because top officials of the U.S. Department of Justice deny your individual right to own any firearm to say nothing of an imported autoloading rifle. ATF and DOJ are working together more intimately than ever before. It shouldn't surprise anyone to learn that ATF concurs with Justice on their operative understanding of the meaning of the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Use the internet, this site for instance, to get a feel of what you may, or may not, feel comfortable doing to customize your rifle. ATF is clear as mud on this subject. Four years ago, they decided SKSs are not semiautomatic assault weapons. Tomorrow they can easily change their minds and not bother telling anybody about it. Keep all paperwork associated with your purchase. Be circumspect when you convey and use your rifle off your property. Be careful. Posted on Feb 23 1999, 06:02 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AYYYYY-men, Brudduh! by RUSSki Remember, "the squeaky wheels get the oil." And with the "Alphabet Boys" (bATF, FBI, DEA, ETC) that "oil" just might be the hot, boiling kind! You can ask four ATF'ers the same exact question and come away with five replies, not that any will be clear or ease your mind. The stock-SKS is the Fascist would-be dictators' nightmare. It is a TOUGH, accurate, hard-hitting and affordable weapon. It is for the MASSES. What army can occupy a city with the potential for tens of thousands of folks armed with just such weapons saying "we don't think so"? Kept as-is, the SKS is just dandy. Tricked-out, it gains a bit (in some opinions) in looks and MAYBE performance, but it is essentially the same gun, really. Your gun. Your country. The one founded and still protects the other! Posted on Feb 23 1999, 06:17 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lets not get too paranoid yet.. CTXT by john The atf are the only one who know the answer to these questions because they enforce the law. I don't know where you bought the gun but someone filled out the ATF's form when purchasing the gun. Someone had to buy the gun which means it can be traced to a point, assumeing if was imported legally. How do you think they track down the owners of guns used in murders, and found at crime scenes. I'm sure if someone really wanted too they could find out if you own a gun. Do you own a handgun and live in a state that has to have them registered. Have any of your neighbors scene you enter your house with a gun case? Do you have an NRA sticker in your car? Don't you think if we ever reach a time where the government is trying to make us turn in our weopons they our going to violate other rights and find out if we own them anyways.(Just start seaching homes for no reason) Who knows the government could be watching us right now. They could be traceing all of our calls. Anyone ever order ammo or gun parts by phone. You can do what you want. I'm going to make darn sure I am 100% legal on any gun I ever own or buy. When in doubt of a modification I want to make, will check to see if it is legal. I want the peace of mind knowing I am not commiting a felony. (I would like to buy firearms in the future, legally of corse) Get everything in writing because unless the U.S. is so bad the courts don't exist a letter from the atf will keep you out of jail. I (this is a great forum and I like to believe all of you know what you are talking about)would check everything you hear off the internet. For all I know you could be a tweleve year old kid making up stuff. For all you know I could be an ATF agent trying to get the drop on you. You could be an ATF agent. We all could be ATF agents. Hang on, thought I heard something at the door........................nope nothing there. It could have been the wind. Or was it an ATF agent!!!!? I think I'll sleep with a gun under a pillow, just in case. What do you think Survivor? You said most of the aft people aren't that bad in one of your posts. Would you feel comfortable contacting them? Sorry, this kinda turned into a rave. I mean no disrespect to any one. I just don't plan on living my life in fear of what could happen not asking legit questions to the only people who know the answer. Maybe no one will ever my post. There could be a nuclear war and we won't be here tommorrow. Some fear is good but don't sleep with one eye open. Don't live a life in so much fear that because of it you never really live. Posted on Feb 23 1999, 08:49 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We know you MEAN well by Dingo But you don't seem to understand what the Federal civil service has become and the changing nature of your relationship to executive branch agencies of the United States government. Those ATF letters you prize do not carry any weight in any court of law. ATF personnel are not answerable to you. They owe you nothing and you'd better believe they understand and appreciate that fact. As an individual you have no standing with that agency or with any component of the U.S. Department of Justice. Do not look to these for help, service, support. John, this is not paranoia speaking. This is cold, hard reality. Uncle Sam is not omniscent, yet, though he's getting better at it. He ain't all powerful, nor is he likely to be as long as the Clinton-Gore revolution in government continues (we can discuss this phenomena some other time). Yet the old guy can/will stomp hard on those he chooses. By ratting out yourself, in asking a specific question relating to an imported military autoloading rifle in your possession, you ain't doing yourself any favors in 1999. This ain't 1969 anymore. Sorry to be hard on you. We can see you mean to do the right thing. Only we all gotta watch six these days. Posted on Feb 24 1999, 08:18 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes, the letters have legal weight. ctxt by john If you have a signed letter from the national firearms and technology branch out of D.C. regarding a question you wrote them it will hold up in the court of law. Don't even bother with the local offices because most of the time they are just as confused as you. If you don't want to write them I wouldn't change a thing on your gun.(i.e. detachable mags, folding stocks, flash hider.) Besides if the world ends up like 1984 it is going to have to change the whole governmental system. Expost facto (it wasn't a crime when you did it) still applies in the present time. (Yes I have read the book.) Posted on Feb 24 1999, 11:19 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- actually by dgb those ATF letters are, for lack of a better term, "get out of jail free cards." You get a letter from any ATF office, does not matter which one, and its says you can do something gun related, according to the US supreme court they can't touch you. Sure they can seize the gun, but you don't go to jail, and your not a convicted felon. My favorite Supreme court justice, Clarence Thomas Ruled for the vast majority of the court that in order to get you for federal firears violations you have to know its both a gun, and illegal. An ATF letter saying its legal is damn good evidence that it is legal (I gotta stop spenfing my nights reading off the westlaw account). Posted on Mar 03 1999, 12:21 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "1984" by George Orwell by Lobo Okay, everyone should get a copy of this book (written about 1935), and see how closely our governments actions today parallel 'Big Brother' from the story......have a rifle, store ammo, be ready. Posted on Feb 24 1999, 08:23 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Back to the Question..where should I start? by Lobo I'm in the same boat with Mr. Rodriguez. I have an SKS that I bought four or five years ago ($69), that's NIB with the packing grease still on it. In the next two or three months I want to have made any modifications (tactical sling, scope, recoil pad, etal), fired 400-500 rounds through it and have generally become familiar with its capabilities. Where should I start? Posted on Feb 24 1999, 08:31 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Modifications by Steve S. The modifications you wrote (sling, scope, recoil pad) is no problem. Once you get into retractible or folding stock, adding bayonet, flash suppressor and conversion to full auto is out of the question in some states. These will not add anything to accuracy and only drain your funds. Why (what purpose) do you want the modifications?? There may be other avenues... hope it helps Steve Posted on Feb 24 1999, 12:34 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Purposes by Lobo This is my urban-commando/Y2K/Armegadon weapon. The intent is to maximize it's effectiveness and utility. I'm looking for a tactical sling rather than a carrying strap, a low power scope because 50 year-old eyes don't pick up iron sights very well anymore, a stock extender-recoil pad to match my six feet and 220 pounds. A buddy of mine has a 60 round magazine on his semi-auto...I've emptied it in less than a minute. You don't need full auto to be effective with a combat weapon unless you're in an all-out firefight with a heavily armed foe. Where do I start with this rifle? Posted on Feb 24 1999, 03:00 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ergozing Your SKS by Richard Gould A stable aftermarket scope mount, one that replaces your receiver cover, is from the PRC and is called the MBP. No gunsmithing is required for it. One can actually zero, remove and return to zero after cleaning w/ the thing. You might do well by adopting one of the inexpensive Chinese 4x45 compact scopes that are just about everywhere days for around $20 to $30.00. Actually, the real good thing about these is that they're not true four power which is fine for an SKS. Set your internet browser to SKSMan and you'll find a site put up by Paul's Guns. He's got the MBP mount and related gear at high prices, yet he's got 'em. At this site the conventional wisdom seems pretty strongly running in favor of retaining the factory original ten shot non-detachable magazine. You really can't go wrong w/ it. Buy lots of chargers, a front sight adjustment tool, and a canvas ChiCom SKS magazine pouch (21 charger capacity) and you should be pretty good to go. Save $$$ for ammo, Lobo. Posted on Feb 24 1999, 04:27 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ergozing Your SKS - Part Two by Richard Gould Know that Brownell's carries the B-Square SKS/AK Quick Detachable Swivel Adapter (part # 122-124-800) for $4.95 that'll get you set up to use a rifle sling in place of a carry strap. Should you wish to trade w/ them, feel free to call 'em at 515/623-5401. While doing so ask for one of the Uncle Mike's Quick Adjust Slings in brown, black or camo as one of these should run you from $13.95 to $14.95 and work well w/ the Swivel Adapter described above. To take an unpopular - yet well founded - position on a controversial SKS accessory, I'd also advise you pick up the bayonet assembly that is correct for your rifle, be it a long or short spike, long or short blade. There is honest utility to one mounted on your carbine provided, of course, you've an intact lug to mount it on. Military zero to the gun's iron sights, for starters, then fidget your glass sights to match. Posted on Feb 24 1999, 04:50 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Attn Lobo by Nick Lobo- You said in an earlier thread you were looking for a scout type scope mount. Sorry but nobody makes one. I am in the process of making one for a friend's SKS. I will post how it works and post a link to drawings and dimentions after I see if the design works. If it works good I will make one for me and might try to sell a few. I will let you know. Give me about two weeks. I "ghost" this site quite a bit, so if you need to get a hold of me, just post for me. Posted on Feb 24 1999, 04:49 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- purposes by Bill I would suggest that you have more than one of the SKS guns in your arsenal. I have purchased 5 of them. For longer distance I have a Chinese gun with a Fiberforce Dragonov stock with the Advanced Tech bipod attached to the bayonet lug and a Leapers scope on it. This gives me very reliable long distance shooting in any defensive situation or for hunting if need be. Found it for $150 at a gun show. For your "urban commando" needs I have a chinese short barrelled version with a Choate folding stock and a 20 round fixed mag. Don't bother with the readily availiable plastic folding stock---terrible!!! This gun is the best shooter I have as far as tight groupings at 50 and 100yds. The other three SKS rifles I have are Russian and are unmodified. I purchased them after reading that they were supposed to be better guns than the Chinese versions BUT, I have found that my Chinese guns shoot as good and sometimes better than the Russian version. As much ammo as you can put back and your in business. As far as modifications go the first thing I reccommend is to sight the gun in and see how it performs stock. Adjust the sights and then make modifications that will improve the performance even more. The tactical sling and extended butt pad are more for comfort and handling. Go ahead and do that. Next is the stock. If the gun is not bedded into the stock tightly then performance will suffer. The scope is handy with your 50 year old vision BUT, make sure you get one that will allow you to also use the iron sights just in case of a malfunction of the scope. Posted on Feb 25 1999, 03:20 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Goodies by Steve S. Everything you want is legal, except for the magazine. If it's detachable you may have a problem. If you are in the situation you described, who's going to care! I tried to scope my SKS years ago and just didn't like it. A lot of people do. Did you buy your ammo yet?? Try Cole distributing inc. on the net for the best prices. Have fun Posted on Feb 25 1999, 02:37 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Detachable Magazines are legal ! by RODRIGUEZ According to Title 18 USC, Chapter 44, If a semi-auto rifle has the ability to accept a detachable magazine,it would be illegal if it Also has two of the following... 1. A folding stock or telestopic stock 2. A pistol grip that protrudes beneath the action 3. A bayonet mount 4. A flash suppressor or threaded barrel 5. A grenade launcher Posted on Mar 05 1999, 04:52 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WRONG LAW by john 922(r) is the right one. Posted on Mar 13 1999, 02:08 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I would also get a muzzle break by john They are legal to install so long as they are not a flash hidder also. It helps to reduce muzzle flip and get back on target quicker. Thats about the only thing I would do to the gun. Its brute strenght comes from the fact there isn't a lot to break. I think basically stock it is still a great gun and little gain begained from changing it further. I'd buy the ammo. Best fighting ammo I have seen is made by TWC and both the bullet and primer are lacore sealed to protect against water. Posted on Feb 24 1999, 06:40 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That should be TCW ammo by john I was thinking about the weather for some reason. One last thing, if I was going to use an sks as a defensive arm in an armegdon war I would alternate between FMJ and hollow pionts. I would go with the FMJ because of how far it will go through things. I have seen it go right through 6-8 inches of wood. I would use the hollow pionts because of the knock down power. It doesn't help you a whole lot to just poke .311 holes in something. Sure it will kill eventually, but there is a reason when fighting in close quarters the millitary uses shotguns. It is also because hollow points are considered an inhuman type of bullet.(I am 100% serious here. A politically correct bullet go figure.) I guess that it makes sense because if you get hit in the arm it will not blow your whole arm off if hit with a FMJ bullet. I am not really worried about Y2K. Sure it will cause some inconvinence but I think the worst that will happen is riots provided the Russian missiles don't go haywire but even that is a long shot. It will be interesting to see what happens in the coming months besides the increase in prices of firearms and mags. Posted on Feb 24 1999, 07:16 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TCW...where...what...how? by Lobo I'm not familiar with TCW ammo. I've got a couple hundred rounds each of Chinese FMJ and Russian hollowpoints, and definately have ammo supplies on the shopping list. I don't recall seeing TCW in the Shotgun New...etc. Where do you normally find this variety of ammo? Posted on Feb 24 1999, 08:11 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TCW Ammo by The Confessor TCW is a Russian manufacturer and your ammo may very well have been made by them. The best place I've seen for TCW 7.62x39mm is Cheaper Than Dirt (www.cheaperthandirt.com) which I think still has the stuff for around $100/1000 rounds... Posted on Feb 24 1999, 08:34 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Many places have it. by john Cole distributing sells it I think.(about 100 bucks for 1000 rounds ask the survivor) I think cheaper than dirt also does. I don't know if it has the water proof seal or not. Many gun stores also sell it. It is non-reloadable steel cased russian made. S&B ammo is good too, but I think both of these types burn kinda dirty. I wouldn't worry to much about the water proof seal. They only way it does any good is if the shell is completely dunked in water and left there for a long time. If you want to make some of the ammo water proof just use clear nail polish. It does the same thing as the water proof seal. I just use this ammo because it is cheap and non-corrosive. If you wanted to go a step up there is the Win. white box which is brass and reloadable (I think it burns a little bit cleaner.) Or you can get the expensive hunting ammo. It is all up to you. Differant rifles have differant likes and dislikes. You may find one type of ammo shoots better than the others. You may not. The best thing you can do to keep it as accurate as the gun can be is clean the barrel often. Use a ONE PIECE rod and a bronze brush. Stainless steel brushes can scratch the bore. I know the sks isn't a tack driver, but there is no reason not to try and keep it as accurate as possible. Posted on Feb 24 1999, 08:49 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BEST Ammo prices by Steve S. Cheaper than dirt sell 1000 rounds for $99.95, but you have to pay 12.95 for shipping. Cole distributing sell 1000 rounds for $109.95 (includes shipping) and they charge you 3% if you use your credit card. It's a close call, but you can't beeat it. Get them cheap while you can! Posted on Feb 26 1999, 07:50 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ammo by pd shooter Hey Steve.S Can you give me more info on Cole distributing? Posted on Feb 27 1999, 06:47 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cole Distributing link by Survivor Here it is: Cole Distributing Posted on Feb 27 1999, 08:00 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Flash hider by Tom In the Y2K/Armaggedon scenario, a flash hider would be nice for nighttime combat (what they don't see, they can't hurt) Posted on Mar 04 1999, 08:09 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good Auction Site instead of Ebay (ctxt) by Survivor In light of recent events with Ebay, here is a good auction site that has nothing but guns and related items. Auction Arms Posted on Feb 22 1999, 05:44 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- THANKS! And Let's Spread the Word... by RUSSki ... about GunsAmerica, too. These sites are great and deserve our full-support. Anyone who favors "Guns and The Second" is a dirty rat-bastige traitor if they keep a membership with eBay or buy/sell with em, the damned eNazis! http://www.gunsamerica.com Posted on Feb 23 1999, 06:22 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WHAT ! by Capt. Daves I'm fairly new at this site. What's going on with eBay? Posted on Feb 24 1999, 07:12 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- They are not going to sell firearms or ammo any more. by john They for, what ever reason, have chosen not to sell firearms or ammo over the web after a certain date. Fun, though, when I was seaching for magazines all magazines came up including the paper type. I noticed one of them was the first issue of Hustler. Funny you can sell porno mags over Ebay but not the gun type. Posted on Feb 24 1999, 11:10 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Funny how they... by Survivor think kiddie porn and forced sex movies are OK, but those damn gun owners. Use Guns Americato sell a gun and Auction Arms If you wish to action your guns or accessories, Thanks, Survivor Posted on Feb 24 1999, 11:58 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks! by Capt. Daves eBay has just been deleated from my bookmarks. Thanks for the info. Posted on Feb 24 1999, 07:49 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sal-ute! To the Good Captain... by RUSSki At first eBay had their guns lumped-in with the porno in their "ADULT" category - you couldn't even VIEW many of the gun-auctions without a valid credit-card on file as PROOF of your being "over 18", etc, and thus deserving to see the nasty books and "nasty old guns". Then, possibly after some protests, the sneaky eBastiges let us be able to view the gun-auctions. Only catch then was that to ACTUALLY place a bid - even if you'd done dozens of quality transactions in "other" categories - you STILL had to give them a valid credit card number to hold as "proof" of your worthiness to buy or sell guns (IN SPITE OF ALL THE EXISTING STATE AND FEDERAL CONTROLS). So now they've gone and rammed their Socialist piggy eSnouts right up HCI's schwastika-tattooed A-word. eBays' spokesidiot actually said that guns were "inappropriate" for the environment online that eBay wants to create/support. YET THEY STILL SELL THE PORNO! As I said, a salute to you deleting your bookmark to the eVermin. Every ProGun individual and group should do likewise, and also encourage others to stop using eBay. With me, this isn't a "boycott" deal to make them carry guns again. To hell with eBay, as they've shown their true colors regarding guns. I hope the eRatBastiges go bankrupt. Hmm, wonder how I REALLY feel, huh? >:< Posted on Feb 25 1999, 09:19 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey Capt., wait a sec.... by Gary Don't dump eBay from your bookmark file yet! Just browse their listings for potentially naughty stuff, then jot down the auction numbers and e-mail 'em to the Dept. of Justice. Maybe that'll help the DOJ realize that there are more worthy pursuits than hassling Microsoft. Even better, no corporation (or corporate STOCKHOLDERS)would welcome continuing federal scrutiny, so let's all throw together and give eBay a heapin' helping of Janet Reno! We should make damned sure that the most offensive thing offered for auction on eBay is an Elvis painting on black velvet. Release the hounds! Gary Posted on Feb 26 1999, 07:17 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Precision Magazines? by Lobo I've been seeing the brandname "Precision Magazines" referred to in several posts recently. These are the 'be all and end all' in after market magazines for any firearm with a detachable mag. Does anyone own one of these? Address/email/URL/phone for the company? Posted on Feb 22 1999, 07:24 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For what it's worth... by swami I used Precision 30-rd mags in my Mini-14 for years with no problems to report. I remember the USA 30-rd mags for the Mini-14 DID give me trouble, however. I never saw or heard of Precision making an SKS mag. Cheaper-Than-Dirt may carry Precision mags (www.cheaperthandirt.com). Posted on Feb 23 1999, 06:31 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is it legal for... by Ms. T for my boyfriend to have this sks gun with the big banana clip in it? He took out the clip that came in the rifle and put the bigger one in. I don't want him to get arrested! Posted on Feb 20 1999, 05:49 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Legalities ctxt by Survivor We covered that area a short way down the page, and we hate to rehash the same issues too many times on here :-) Posted on Feb 21 1999, 12:03 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, that looks like that's about it! by Zzzzzzzzzz Nothing new to talk about regarding the mighty SKS. No surprise the messages are already starting to repeat, it's been over a week now. Bye bye! Posted on Feb 19 1999, 08:06 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Zookeeper left the door open.... by Lobo Now that he's escaped, we'll hope this guy left the neighborhood. Posted on Feb 20 1999, 07:22 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- pretty good...ctxt by Survivor Considering that person has never posted a message on this board, I was gonna erase it but figured what the hell, I will leave it just because... Posted on Feb 20 1999, 07:59 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by Capt. Daves I agree, That guy sounds like a real jerk! Good riddens to bad rubbish! Posted on Feb 20 1999, 02:33 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Flussshhhh... bubble, bubble... by RUSSki S'long turd! I agree with the good Captain - If Stinky thinks this board is repeticious (sp?), then wait'll he surfaces on some of the others - talk about Yawnsville! :) Posted on Feb 20 1999, 10:55 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- sks value? by arnie have a norinco with 98% blueing and uncharacteristically nice factory stock. gun has seen very little use. good muzzle brake, sling, oiler, cleaningrod/kit, one 30 round all metal detatchable mag, good bipod, good drop in style scope mount and 600 rounds of russian surplus. what is this package worth? how much more could it be worth if i wait 6 months? Posted on Feb 18 1999, 09:11 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Worth?? by DaMan Arnie, check prices on gunsamerica.com classifieds. These prices are usually on the high side. Also SKS prices vary considerably regionally. It's not going to lose value in the next six months! Regards! DaMan Posted on Feb 19 1999, 09:19 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by RUSSki DaMan is, as always, "da man". His is great advice, and Guns America deserves our support - especially since the eNazis @ eBay showed their little eAsses about our "dirty" little guns. Freakin' eLiberals, man! Anyways, sorry for the tirade. Right now if for sale, I'd offer $350 to $400 for such a package. As we close with Y2K the price might go up to around $500. BUT... just watch. With the panic that'll definitely be setting-in, we're going to see a National Emergency declared before New Years 1999. Likely the bastards will clamp down on gun and ammo sales even sooner. Under FEMA, King Clinton can "temporarily" suspend the U.S. Constitution and "redistribute" food, water, etc (both public and PRIVATE), and even relocate citizens and tell them what work to perform! Right and moral? No. But "legal" because we've let such poison get into the books. Maybe the best advice, then, is to KEEP your SKS handy - you just might need it for "critter control". Posted on Feb 20 1999, 11:06 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mag loader by Pete/OR Cheaper Than Dirt sells a SKS mag loader that really works. With a little practice you can load a 30rd mag in less than 10 seconds. And I load my AK47 mags with the same loader. Rapid loader #Mag 824 $14.98 You also need Uni-clip Blocks #Mag 850 $14.97 (10) www.cheaperthandirt.com Good Luck, Pete Posted on Feb 18 1999, 08:18 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- sks info. by pd shooter Just wanted to say thanks to John,Rebel,and Surivor for the sks info. I think i will just use my stripper clips most of the time ,but ill put the 30/rd clip once just to see how it works. thanks again pd shooter Posted on Feb 18 1999, 06:05 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- bayonet by mike When did it become illegal to put a bayonet on a chinese sks.I beleave mine was made in 91.The serial nimber starts off with 91 then a space then a 4 didget number. thanks Posted on Feb 18 1999, 05:34 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bayonet by Survivor My advice on the bayonet is...don't, they aren't worth the possible problems, basically the aserial numbers mean nothing on an SKS, if it is a milsurp model, only the importer can tell you if it was imported before the ban or not, but I wouldn't bother, a bayonet does absolutely nothing for your accuracy, and in my opinion it doesn't even look that good, but that is just my opinion. Posted on Feb 18 1999, 06:24 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Right on, plus... by RUSSki the old bayonet charge is relegated to the dusty pages of military history. If you must close with an enemy, then transition to handgun and/or knife - either are much more easier to use in CQB (Close Quarters Battle) and just as deadly. Lines of fixed bayonets can control a crowd, but that's about it in my opinion. Posted on Feb 20 1999, 11:10 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- November 1990 Cutoff Date for Importing ChiCom Bayos (ntx) by Richard Gould xxx Posted on Feb 22 1999, 12:38 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Safety spring by Careful I hope there's not a limit on the number of questions you can post on this board, because I thought of another one. Does any one know where I can purchase a safety spring? My Russian unit came with out one, and I heard that over time the safety lever can loosen up and flop down unexpectedly. Thanks again! Posted on Feb 18 1999, 11:04 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You can get one from... by swami TAPCO. I got the "SKS Essential Tools and Parts Kit" from them and it included a safety spring. I'm pretty sure you can order almost any individual SKS part from them. You can request their free catalog at www.tapco.com Posted on Feb 18 1999, 12:28 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you, "great Swami"... by RUSSki I too was seeking such knowledge. Thank you for enlightening us! :) Posted on Feb 20 1999, 11:12 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My pleasure, Grasshopper. Aummm by swami Many years of meditation on this subject has increased my knowledge greatly. I am more than happy to impart such knowledge to those truly seeking SKS wisdom! "...and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one." Luke 22:36 (the words of Jesus to His disciples just prior to His arrest) Posted on Feb 23 1999, 06:41 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Can't resist... by RUSSki "When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace." Luke 11:21 (King James) Thanks for the scripture in YOUR reply. Not only is the "extremist" notion of ARMED self-defense biblical, as tool-makers and tool-users, it is NATURALLY-occurring. Further, on our side we have truth, common-sense and the history books (which clearly unmask the GunControl demon). Okay, to be on-topic, when loading the SKS, is the stripper-clip supposed to be manually removed after loading, or does the bolt going forward pop it up and out of its' slot? Posted on Feb 23 1999, 06:03 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scopes by Careful Hello again all. My question: To avoid bouncing ejected cases off it, is it better go with a short scope, or a long scope with a brass deflector and not be able to use strippers? Any advise from those who have experience with this problem is greatly appreciated. Posted on Feb 18 1999, 10:33 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for scout mount by Lobo Careful, Depends on how you're loading your SKS....if you're using detachable magazines, blocking stripper clips won't be a problem. I want a 'scout scope mount' to install on mine....still looking. Posted on Feb 18 1999, 09:11 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cableas has some. by john I saw some in Cableas catalog. They even had one that you could still use your open sights with. Posted on Feb 21 1999, 03:57 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SCOUT scope mount not regular scope mount by Nick There is a big difference. A Scout type scope mount positions the scope so the eyepiece (the end you look thru) is IN FRONT OF the bolt face. This allows the use of stripper clips. Do a search for "scout rifle" and you will see what he is after. I am going to make a scout scope mount for a friend's SKS next week. I will post how it turns out. I am going to have it clamp to the barrel and gas tube directly in front of the handguard. I have never seen a SKS scout mount, (Cabelas does NOT have one) so you will have to make one if you want one. An SKS is the perfect scout rifle. Nick Posted on Feb 24 1999, 09:14 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sorry I thought he just wanted a regular scope mount but.... by john If you look at the picture in the Cabela's mag it looks like the scope mount (the advanced technology k-mount scope) can be put back far enough to use stripper clips with a small scope. Don't have one and never tried it but it just looks that way. Thought I'd just put this post up in case you were interested and your mount didn't work out. Posted on Feb 25 1999, 08:12 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Milled receivers by Careful Is there a particular letter or number stamp or anything to indicate whether a receiver is milled or cast? Mine seems to have machine marks in some areas while others look smooth like it was cast. Posted on Feb 18 1999, 10:12 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by J.A. All sks have milled recivers Posted on Feb 18 1999, 05:38 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not necessarily so ... by Virgil Caine I have seen an SKS-D with a stamped receiver. Don't know if all SKS-D's are stamped or if there are other models of the SKS which are stamped. If anyone knows for sure, please enlighten us. Posted on Feb 18 1999, 05:46 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stamped SKS?? by Survivor I have never seen a stamped SKS, my SKS-D is milled just like the rest of them, now the trigger housing is a different story, some are stamped, some are milled, but that is just my experience. Posted on Feb 18 1999, 06:19 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I've Seen Pics of a Stamped Type 56 Carbine by Richard Gould ChiCom-military issue, yup. A fella I know got one in central Washington State and was kind enough to remove the stock and take a series of snapshots that clearly reveal four large rivets holding the blasting receiver together at the fore and rear ends. When assembled in furniture, the rivets are not noticeable to the casual observer. Pretty wicked variant, only there was a sad end to the story. For reasons unknown, the guy "lent" the stock to a "friend" who proceeded to sell it at a local gun show. Now the owner of the carbine will either have to adapt a replacement stock by relieving it for the rivet heads or pack it in. I haven't heard whatever became of this unusual rifle. Posted on Feb 22 1999, 12:35 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stamped reciever sks by MI_natas_390 About 3 years ago when i bought my sks I ran into alot of sks rifles with stamped recievers, trigger groups,ext. They looked like they were made from old soup cans. The metal had sharp edges and the over all quality was horrible. If you are looking to buy an sks buy one with milled parts. A few other things to look for are matching numbers on all of the rifles parts if the rifle is suppost to be new, a rifle with a threaded barrel rather than a pinned barrel (pinned barrels can't be replaced as far as I know) and pick up a Russian sks if you can, they might cost more but they are much better quality than the chineese rifles. I don't know what kind of sks rifles are on the market now, like I said I bought mine 3 years ago when they were being sold all over the place. I think I paid 85 or 90 dollars for a new chineese sks with milled reciever and trigger group, threaded barrel, bayonet, and all the accesories. I've enjoyed my sks alot, it is fairly acurate for the price and it had pretty good power. I'm not a gunsmith or anything so don't hold me on everything I have to say but I did look into the sks rifle a bit befor buying mine. Posted on Feb 25 1999, 09:19 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RE: Mags by Ben W I am having trouble finding good dechable mags for my SKS. Can anyone please recommend a good brand and where I can purchase them. I've tried the USA mags and have found that they wobble too much. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Than you gentlemen. Posted on Feb 16 1999, 05:59 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wobbling Mags by Rebel Don't have advice for you (USA brand is one I see most frequently), but I did have a question for you. Although they (USA mags) wobble too much for your taste, how reliable have then been feeding into your SKS, and is it a Russian or Chinese? Posted on Feb 16 1999, 06:33 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: Mags by Pete Ben Could you give us more information about this wobble using USA Mags. What type of SKS? Have you been getting the mag nose in tight and the back of the mag latched down tight? I have two early Russian SKS rifles and use USA mags and they fit and feed very well. All I had to do to install was remove the standard 10rd mag and the USA Mags fit right in nice and snug. Pete/OR Posted on Feb 17 1999, 07:30 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MAG WOBBLE by BUBBA Had mag wobble a long time ago when I inadvertently mounted an aluminum slotted wheel on top of one of the wheel weights on the rear of my 68 Firebird. Just kidding. I am using 30 rd. U.S.A. mags on my Russian. I had some wobble (side-to-side) that I took out by epoxying some shims in the well of the receiver on both sides. Made them nice and snug! Front to rear wobble can be eliminated by bending the latch tab on the mag itself so that the mag release fits nice and snug. This can be done! Posted on Mar 16 1999, 09:57 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- New AK Discussion Forum by Survivor I just put up an AK discussion board, same rules as this board, lets see if we can make this one work too, thanks, Survivor. http://www.netbabbler.com/goto/index.php3?forumid=14897 Posted on Feb 16 1999, 12:23 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: doubles--sear replacement? by swami I'm convinced that the occasional (1 in 50 shots) double-fires I've been having is NOT due to a sticky firing pin. My bolt assy. is clean as a whistle; the firing pin is free as a bee. And I've used different ammo, too. Therefore, I'm considering the possibility that it is a sear problem. Has anyone ever taken the trigger assy. apart? Is it tricky? Should I replace the sear? Although the doubles are kind of neat I'd prefer not to get 'em. Thanks. Posted on Feb 16 1999, 11:13 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by Pete to Swami The sear on the SKS is real easy to get out to polish or replace. Just remove the pin on the forward end of the trigger assem. and slide sear and spring out.(forward) Posted on Feb 16 1999, 12:30 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks Pete! I took... by swami I took the sear out and observed that it was not very well machined. I've ordered a new one from Tapco ($15-not cheap) although I think I can improve the original. I've also ordered the book "The SKS Carbine" as many have suggested at this site. Thanks again. "swami" Posted on Feb 17 1999, 09:17 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cleaning chamber on SKS by Survivor Does anyone have any ideas on cleaning rust out of the chamber on an SKS, a friend of mine brought me over his SKS, he was shooting corrosive ammo and didn't clean it properly, now there is rust built up in the chamber to the point of a shell wont fit in the chamber all the way, I have tried everything I can think of any ideas out there? Thanks Posted on Feb 14 1999, 11:21 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by Capt. Daves I had this happen to an older bolt action rifle I had in storage. Although it wasn't as bad off as this one sounds, it cleaned up pretty well with a brass rattail brush. Good Luck. Posted on Feb 14 1999, 11:44 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rust removal by Gary Try this: - Start a few days in advance by squirting a good penetrating oil on the rusty surfaces. Disassemble the rifle and slip a cleaning rod in from the muzzle. Attach a "chamber brush" to the end of the rod. Chuck the handle end of cleaning rod in a variable-speed electric drill. Using lots of penetrating oil like Liquid Wrench. turn the cleaning rod slowly and work it slowly into the chamber. Even better- instead of a chamber brush, use a standard .30 caliber bronze bore brush, wrapped with a piece of "stainless steel wool", A/K/A kitchen potscrubber. Again, lots of oil and patience - don't turn the drill too fast. Use the cap of the cleaning kit as a muzzle protector to keep the rotating cleaning rod from damaging the rifling. I cleaned up a grungy old Mauser with similar rust, it worked for me. Hopefully the chamber pitting won't be too bad, if it is he might have case extraction problems. Since the chamber is rusty, you should check the inside of the gas tube for corrosion, too. Many people forget to clean those parts and it's only the simple, rugged design of the SKS that keeps the gun working. Good luck. Gary Posted on Feb 15 1999, 08:27 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks CTXT by Survivor no prob with rust in the gas tube, it was still full of cosmoline, I'm telling you this guy doesn't deserve to own one of these fine rifles, I will try the drill and oil and see how it works, i tried using a small file but access was a *%&$*, thanks again for the advice. Posted on Feb 15 1999, 09:27 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rust removal - *more* by Gary It seems my rust removal technique is sort of time-tested. Point your web browser to: www.jouster.com/Bulletin/board.html and read the article named "The Saga of the M-16 in Vietnam, Part I." It mentions the early M-16 case extraction problems, back when the Pentagon cheaped-out and did not have the chambers chrome plated, as recommended. There's a reference to an armorer using a piece of crocus cloth threaded through a patch loop, in the same drill-powered manner. Further note: You may need a reversable drill to prevent the threaded rod segments from unscrewing, I can't recall for sure. Gary Posted on Feb 17 1999, 09:19 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS folder question by Bill Found a NICE paratrooper SKS with a Choate Tool Corp. folding stock on it. The best folder I have found!!! No wobble when folded out!!! Nice metal construction. The question is about the gun. Serial number3228340. A triangle stamped next to the number with a couple of letters in it that are hard to make out. Maybe 2 and G. No other serial numbers anywhere else on the gun. Milled trigger group and a screwed in barrell. 10 round fixed mag. Importer mark is Navy Arms. Is this a pre ban gun???? Also there is a scope mount that is braded on the side of the receiver towards the back. A "V" shaped piece of metal about 2 1/2in. long. What type of scope mounts to this??? Many thanks for info. Posted on Feb 13 1999, 04:47 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- depends..... by john See my other posting about "i still think it is illegal ctxt" Second these are only my thoughs from what info I have been able to find and strongly suggest writting the ATF to make sure anything you want to do to a gun is legal. My thoughts aren't going to keep you out of jail. The first thing is even if it is post 922(r) and you didn't put the folding stock on about the only thing that can be done to you, as far as I can tell, is the ATF can confinscate your gun. It is the person who put the folding stock on a post ban gun is the one who commited the crime. One of the guns made unimportable by 922(r) was an sks with a folding stock. Now, if the folding stock was put on the gun before 922(r) took affect, Nov 29, 1990, your gun is perfectly legal. If you bought the gun like it is and was told it was preban and its not you aren't in voliation of the law. The person who put the folding stock on is and it is a FELONY. Now, and this is what really gets me, is you could have a post 90 gun and the folding stock and as long as you don't put it on the gun your not breaking the law. You can save it, sell it, or you just think it is nice to look at and as long as you don't put it on the post ban gun your fine. Put it on the gun and the ATF says you just commited a felony. So if you have any doubts or questions write the ATF because in the end it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. It all comes down to what they think because they enforce the laws. Hope this kinda helps. Posted on Feb 15 1999, 07:00 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On The Other Hand by Richard Gould John is correct, Mr. Hatcher, in his assessment that BATF is pretty ridiculous about this sort of thing. To be safe do consider taking his advice. I wouldn't, though, as the last thing any sane, law abiding firearms owner would want to do, in 1999, is wave a red flag and should: "yew hew, over here boys, I got a hot one." That's about all those fellas need by way of incentive to launch another of their favorite dynamic entries. As far as your rifle goes, Navy Arms ceased imported SKS rifles from China many, many years ago. I'd not at all be surprised if your rifle was indeed brought to the U.S. commercial market prior to November 1990. Call 'em and see what they can do to document an import date for your weapon on the QT. From the number you gave, I think there could be a problem as I've not seen a serial beginning w/ the number "3." It is safe to say, however, that your rifle was constructed State-Owned Factory 296, in Chungking, as their production is indicated by a triangle w/ the a highly stylized 29 stamped in the middle. A second good reason to call Navy Arms is that they're the ones that used to market the "Type 89" 2.75x rifle scope that'll slide right on to the rail riveted to the right rear of your receiver. Unfortunately, that was years ago and it is doubtful they still have 'em in stock, yet it's worth a try. Enjoy your rifle. While you're at it, consider picking up a discarded conventional ChiCom wood stock for that piece just for - you guessed it - peace of mind. We can't be too careful these days. Remember, the guy the BATF answers to is in desparate search for a "legacy" and it shouldn't surprise you what that could be. Watch six. Posted on Feb 15 1999, 09:06 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Folding Stock update!!!! by Bill I had several folks e mail me suggesting that I get in touch with the importer of my SKS with the Choate folder on it to see if it was pre or post ban. I sent a courteous e mail to Navy Arms and received a message from them. They offered to look up the serial number/import date on the gun BUT, they required a payment of $35 an hour and required me to send in $175 in case it took five hours to find. They did offer to refund the difference if it took less than 5 hours to find. How nice of them!! They did unknowingly answer my question for free as they told me that they importation of the SKS I have with their logo on it was brought in more than 10 years ago and that was why it would be hard for them to find the info aside from them being very busy doing other stuff. I wonder if the BATF pays $35 an hour for this info when they investigate pre and post ban gun cases?!?!?!?! Posted on Feb 16 1999, 01:24 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Then It Is A Pre-Ban by Richard Gould I knew it'd been a long, long time since Navy Arms brought Chinese SKS rifles into the country. If their statement is true, that it's been at least a decade, then you own a pre-ban and may do w/ it as you will. Congrats. Posted on Feb 16 1999, 04:39 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- i would be real careful on changing the gun further by john Once again I found this at http://www.sksman.com/sksfaq/main.html Under the legal section As indicated the section became effective on Nov. 29, 1990. Therefore,any assembly, performed after the effective date of the section, which creates a semi-automatic rifle that is prohibited from importation would be a violation of Section 922(r), IRRESPECTIVE OF THE DATE THAT THE FIREARM WAS IMPORTED. [Emphasis mine. This contradicts the common belief that rifles imported prior to 11-29-90 are immune from this legislation. -- B.H.] One of the rifles banned from importation is an sks with a detachable magazine. I don't know how the batf would go about proving that you assembled it afterword if you wanted to stick a detachable mag on it. Heck, I don't know if they would even care but you might want to get some clarification on this. For all I know this guy at sksman.com might be totally wrong. Just be careful what you do. Posted on Feb 16 1999, 05:28 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- sks by pd shooter Me again ,would like to know how old this gun is ,also is this a pre ban gun? also what ammo is best? any reloaders out there with some reloading tips? Thanks again The pd shooter Posted on Feb 13 1999, 02:54 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- new sks by p d shooter I just bought a russian sks ,and would like some info. Your web site looks like a good place to start. My gun has all the same numbers,has made in russia stamp,bayonet ,a star and what looks like a backwards c on the left side of the reciver also has CDI Swan VT on it.Alsoit has the numbers cccp ----- for the serial numbers.Also a laminated stock . A couple of questions 1 can i keep the bayonet and put a detatchable mag ,30 round on it and be legal? If you can help me out i would be thankful .I will be watching this web site Thanks Again The pd shooter Posted on Feb 13 1999, 02:30 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- New SKS legal questions. by Rebel Well first off, I am not a lawyer, and I don't play on on t.v.....etc. Having said that here are my opinions: (1) State Laws vary - if you live in a state like Mass. or Calf, be afraid, it probably is illegal to add the detachable clip. You will need to research that yourself. (2) Regarding federal laws you are fortunate because you can keep the bayonet since the Russian guns are on the official Curio & Relics list, where the Chinese isn't (except maybe for those manufactured priored to some year, which I dont know. maybe a chinese gun owner will reply). Also the assault weapons ban defines an assault weapon if it has a detachable clip and (2) of the following (5) characteristics- flash suppressor, pistol grip, bayonet lug, grenade launcher, folding stock. In you case you only have 1 extra feature, the bayonet. Another point is that your gun is clearly made before the law went into effect, so it is essentially grandfathered in. My advice would be to keep the 10 round fix magazine, buy some stripper clips, and keep the gun in natural condition. I have never shot a 30 round clip in my Russian SKS, but have only hear a few that say that they are always reliable. I have never had a problem with the fix magazine, and stripper clips are pretty easy and fast to use as reloading aid. Posted on Feb 13 1999, 06:40 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No better not. by john GO to this web site and read one of the letters someone wrote to the BATF. If you still have any questions I would contact the ATF. http://www.subguns.com/laws/semi_auto.faq Posted on Feb 14 1999, 11:37 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Section 922(r) by Rebel John, I went to the web site and attached is the reference quote for this page: "Two federal laws govern modifications to semi-auto firearms. 18 U.S.C. sec. 922(r), governs "assembly" in the USA of semi-auto rifles and shotguns out of imported parts. 18 U.S.C. sec. 922(v) bans the making of various "semiautomatic assault weapons" for civilian possession, as well as civilian possession of such guns, after the effective date of the law, (9/13/94)." No one has mentioned using imported bar to build an SKS. You can buy MADE IN AMERICA gun magazines for SKS at any gun shop in the USA. Second point is that a 1950's Russian SKS is clearly a pre-ban weapon, and unless you reach the theshold of the code that deals with the creation of an assault weapon, you haven't created one by adding the detachable clip, because you have to TWO (2) of the features listed, and the bayonet is only (1) feature. I would have loved to have read the original letter that was sent to BATF, to find out what the writer identified and defined as his gun. Then the agent's reply would have been more meaningful. Posted on Feb 14 1999, 06:26 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I still think it is illegal ctxt by john Found this at sksman.com ""As indicated the section became effective on Nov. 29, 1990. Therefore,any assembly, performed after the effective date of the section, which creates a semi-automatic rifle that is prohibited from importation would be a violation of Section 922(r), IRRESPECTIVE OF THE DATE THAT THE FIREARM WAS IMPORTED. [Emphasis mine. This contradicts the common belief that rifles imported prior to 11-29-90 are immune from this legislation. -- B.H.]" One of the rifles banned from import was a sks with a detachable mag. The exeption to this was the sporter rifles having a monte carlo stock or thumbhole stock. I don't know what is meant by assembled. 922(r) says that you cannot assemble a rifle from more than ten imported parts if that rifle is to be made into an unimportable rifle, it then goes on to list to parts. Since an sks was imported I believe the ATF would consider those "imported parts." For example an AK-47 could not be imported with a separate pistol grip on the stock. People make parts kits out of american made parts to get the number of imported parts lower than ten. Then you could put a stock with a separate pistol grip on the rifle. (I don't know if to could put an american made stock on without changing the parts because the original parts would still number more than ten.) So, basically, I don't know if the ATF would consider the attachment of an american made mag a crime or not. I would suspect they would. I think you would be legal if you remove the bayonet mount and put a monte carlo or thumbhole stock on, but I don't know. I would contact the ATF IN WRITING just to make sure because for me it isn't worth risking 10 years in jail and having a felony on my record. Please note, however, that 922(r) doesn't make the importation, sale, or having the parts that could be used to make an unimortable rifle a crime. Posted on Feb 14 1999, 09:46 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- US CODE by Rebel I went to the US House Of Representatives and went directly to the source for all these laws. (As opposed to scraping it off some gun home pages). I still dont think that adding a detachable clip manufactured before 1994 to a Russian SKS with a bayonet qualifies as "Assemblying an assault weapon". It still only creates 1 additional feature: the bayonet lug. The law states clearly you must have (2) of the five listed features in addition to the use of a detachable clip in order to be classifed as a ban assault rifle. Since the clip and gun were in the US prior to the passage of the law, it would be grandfathered in, unless you know of some law that requires you to turn in your AK-47's, AR-15's, SKS to authorities. Here is an exact quote of why these weapons are exempt (please note paragraph 2): "18 U.S.C. sec. 922 (v): (1) It shall be unlawful for a person to manufacture, transfer, or possess a semiautomatic assault weapon. (2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to the possession or transfer of any semiautomatic assault weapon otherwise lawfully possessed under Federal law on the date of the enactment of this subsection. " Therefore, since the weapon, the clip, was already lawfully possessed before the enactment of this law, the sale, transfer and possession of such weapon is still legal. Posted on Feb 16 1999, 05:37 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Unfortunately, you cannot change a thing. If you do, then... by John your Russian SKS is no longer classified as a Curio & Relic. Then it becomes subject to other regulations. The only reason why your Russian SKS can have the bayonet whereas the Chinese SKS imported at the same time cannot is just that. Your Russian SKS is a Curio & Relic whereas the Chinese is not. I'm sorry to break the bad news. I've wondered about this since I too have a Russian SKs, and this is what I was told. Posted on Feb 14 1999, 09:53 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 922 (r) by Rebel Again let me quote directly from the US House Of Representatives internet site. This has to do with the dreaded 922(r): " (r) It shall be unlawful for any person to assemble from imported parts any semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun which is identical to any rifle or shotgun prohibited from importation under section 925(d)(3) of this chapter..." So, focus on the word IMPORTED parts. The gun (SKS Russian 1950s) is completely assembled already. You are adding NO parts to construct it. The clip, is manufactured in the USA prior to the 1994 ban on civilian production of Large Capacity magazine, so it is legal to possess, sale, or transfer. Putting the US made clip (not an import) automatically excludes you from this section of the code because it is NOT an imported part. Now the next section of code to look at is whether you are now classified as an assault weapon: Here is quote from the code on that definition: "(B) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of - (i) a folding or telescoping stock; (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon; (iii) a bayonet mount; (iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and (v) a grenade launcher;" Therefore, you haven't violated this threshold, as you have the detachable clip, you have a bayonet mount, but you have no other feature. So, barring any more restrictive state or local laws, it is not a Federal violation to put a detachable clip on a Russian SKS. Posted on Feb 16 1999, 06:18 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Are you aware it also says this.... by john 27 CFR part 178 as amended june 25, 1993. 178.39 Assembly of semiautomatic rifles and shotguns (a) No person shall assemble a semiautomatic rifle or shotgun using more than 10 of the imported parts listed in paragrapgh (c) of this section if the assembled firearm is prohibited from importation under section 925(d)(3) as not being suitable for sporting purposes. it then goes on to say that this dosen't apply to rifles or shotguns assembled or imported before November 30, 1990 or the replacement of any part of such firearm. (c) For the purposes of this section, the imported parts are: it them goes on to list 20 of them of which magazines are included. (I am too tried to type them all right now if you really want to know what they are i will put them in tommorow) So and this is what i don't understand. Now since your sks is imported I believe the atf considers all of those parts imported parts but since they are not in a configuration that makes them unimportable it is ok to have that sks. So it is my understanding that if you put a detachable mag on the sks you are over your parts limit of ten. I might have this totally wrong. I don't know what is meant by assembled. To me assembly means to put things together. You take one part and attach it to other parts. Rebel, do you have a letter from the atf saying this is OK. Don't get me wrong I am as pro gun as they come but just want to make sure no one inadverantly breaks the law. I would love for it to be OK for everyone to put a detachable mag on their sks but I just don't think it is legal to do to that gun in that configuration. I don't know if you read that letter at that web sight I posted about gun laws but there is a letter saying this is not legal. (Again, I might be totally wrong and it is legal to do this but I can't find to support this) Now I believe if you ground of the bayonet mount and put on a monte carlo stock I think they you could put a detachable mag on it, but again don't know for sure. I really wish someone out there have a letter saying whether it was legal or not to use american made mags. If they do please post it or tell us about it. Posted on Feb 16 1999, 07:33 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS Legal issues by Survivor we all read the same stuff from the various web sites, if you are really concerned about it you should give the BATF a call, they really aren't that bad to deal with, they are the only ones who can actually interpret all the laws pertaining to firearms, and the SKS is a strange case, because as far as I am concerned they have a "Monte Carlo" style stock fresh off the production line, but the bayo lug makes it an "evil" weapon. Posted on Feb 16 1999, 08:05 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BATF - Give em a Call by Rebel I called our local BATF office and spoke with an agent. He stated verbally it was NOT a violation. I intend to follow up with a written request to the Atlanta office. Posted on Feb 17 1999, 05:24 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Conflicting ATF answers. by john I'm not saying your ATF person was wrong. It is not like this has ever happened before Maybe my AFT person did't know so they just said "no" to be on the safe side because they didn't know. Let me know what the writen response is. Posted on Feb 23 1999, 05:12 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ATF Answers by Survivor I think with the BATF, they kinda do the rules on a case by case basis, that is why I say get it in writing, then there shouldn't be any dispute, but you never know, if in doubt, don't mess with it. Posted on Feb 23 1999, 05:31 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Assemble by Rebel John, you quoted this: "a) No person shall assemble a semiautomatic rifle or shotgun using more than 10 of the imported parts listed in paragrapgh (c) of this section if the assembled firearm is prohibited from importation under section 925(d)(3) as not being suitable for sporting purposes." The purpose of this section of code is to prevent people from building a gun by buying a trigger group from this source, a magazine from another, a bolt from yet another...etc Until you have eventually built yourself a gun that is specifically banned. Let talk about Imported Parts....the reason they SPECIFICALLY state imported is that parts in the US already prior to the effective date of the ban are exempt. Their is nothing illegal with buying a replacement part from a gun show on your existing gun. Now For the number 10. It specifically states more than 10 imported parts to allow you the liberty to use 10 or less in the repair or rebuild of your existing gun. So one lousy part is still 9 shy of the "10 or more" clause. So one clip, even if imported, is still 9 less than 10. And if the clip is manufactured in the USA, then it is completely exempt anyways since it is not an IMPORTED part. The only way I can understand your point of view is if you are saying that because the gun was foreign manufacture to start with, all the parts are thereby imported, and then assembly of that gun automatically has more than 10 parts. However, this is plain goofy, as every time I stripped my gun, I am re-assemblying it, using more than 10 imported parts. By that rationale 4 million gun owner are in violation. Clearly that is not the definition of assemblying. The intent of this section of the statue is to prevent you from building a ban weapon using lots of different parts. If you already have most of the gun, and needed a firing pin, a rear site, etc...you could still create that 90% complete gun as long as you don't use more than 10 imported parts. Therefore this has NOTHING to do with adding a MADE IN AMERICA legal pre-ban clip to a gun that is already 100% complete in all its parts. Unless you hit the threshold of the (2) of the five identified requirements of the Assault Weapon definition. Which you don't since you only have a bayonet lug, and not any of the remaining 4 characteristics of flash suppressor, grenade launcher, folding stock, or pistol grip. By the way, I am PROUD stripper clip user, so I am not trying to say that 30 rounds clips are better than 10 round stripper clips, just that I find no language in the US Code that prohibits it. Posted on Feb 17 1999, 05:49 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for the message ctxt by john I did't get the assembly part. And the law only prohibits an assembly of UNIMPORTABLE firearms from imported parts(more than ten). So if your sks was in an importable condition and you took it apart to clean it and you put it back together that was fine to begin with. Thanks for clearing up the issue. Posted on Feb 21 1999, 03:54 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- spare parts by coyote I'm sure this has been answered before, but what spare parts for Chicom SKS are considered prudent to have on hand? Thanks for bearing with me. Posted on Feb 13 1999, 12:03 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Spare Parts by Gary TAPCO sells "Essential Tools and Parts Kits" which include the following parts (one each): - firing pin - firing pin retainer - extractor - extractor spring - hammer spring - safety spring - operating rod Along with the parts, you also get ten stripper clips, front sight adjusting tool, broken shell extractor and a carry pouch with belt loops. Not bad for $39.97, check out their website at www.tapco.com. Other companies probably have similar "vital parts" kits, but this should give you an idea of what's available. Gary Posted on Feb 15 1999, 08:45 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS bullpup stock... by BAR Are there any made? If so which are the best and where can I get one? Posted on Feb 13 1999, 06:57 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bullpup SKS by Survivor I have never seen one yet or I would have built one by now :-), I do wish someone would come out with one, that would be a cool weapon. Posted on Feb 13 1999, 07:39 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS Bullpup by Packrat Maybe two or three years ago Gun Week had an article about a company in Lakeland FL that had designed an SKS Bullpup. It could be assembled out of several parts, depending on what you wanted. I called several times, first getting the word that the announcement was "premature", and finally that they had canned the project; probably because of legal consoderations, though that wasn't stated. It was great; the magazine was almost hidden in the stock, it had a "Scout-rifle" mount for a scope on the front of the barrel, no iron sights, etc. If anyone has capability for inletting a stock I would be happy to work with them on the design for this. It doesn't fit on this board, but sometime look at the Bushmaster M17S bullpup. I have one, and I like it. Posted on Feb 16 1999, 12:14 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WTS:chest pouch for 20rd AK mag(for T-68 SKS accepts AK mag) by akman_1999 Vienam War era VC/Chinese army Chest AK 20 rd mag pouch with original millitary marking in issued/excellent condition, built with OD heavy canvas. The pouch holds 5/20 round AK magizines (magzines not included) and 2 side pockets for striper clips and accessaries. This is the exact pouch Vie-Com carried with their Type 63 and Type 68 rifles (these rifles actually were SKS rifles fitted with detacheable 20 round AK magzines) which were all supplied by the Chinese army. Details see e-bay http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=66143673 Posted on Feb 11 1999, 02:24 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Full Auto conversion by Ally Anyone ever try to convert a SKS to full auto? I was talking to this guy at a gun show, he said it took him 5 minutes to convert it -- and it firs beautifully. I heard its real easy on a AK also. How do you do this? Comments? Ally Posted on Feb 10 1999, 09:42 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- full auto SKS by Survivor My advice is...don't even try it, you can get into alot of trouble with the BATF for such a conversion and in all reality, it's not worth it, but you are better off to just leave it alone, 10 years in prison and a $10,000 fine is not my idea of a good time, remember Ruby Ridge and Waco.... Just go buy a legal Class 3 weapon if you want full auto. Posted on Feb 11 1999, 06:07 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not real bright! by Steve S. It's not smart to ask that type of question on the internet. It just gives the anti's ammunition to point this out. If you want to risk everthing you have by doing this, their are books out there that will show how. Please do not ask or tell us how to do something that is a FELONY! Keep it clean and legal....Thank you Posted on Feb 11 1999, 08:00 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- OH GEEZ... by Felix Dzerzhinski With all due respect Steve, sharing knowledge is not currently illegal (implementing it may be). If the only purpose of the net, and it's informational forums is to discuss what the "antis" think is proper, then we have lost already! Look at this site. Do you think Sarah Brady could surf in here and condone the subject matter? Of course not. That's not her agenda, removing your guns is. Out of respect for Survivor and his excellant forum, if I knew how to convert a sks to FA, I would not post it. There are other web sites that will, and have. Only the sites owner should deem the content acceptable or objectionable. Posted on Feb 11 1999, 08:28 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks to all who posted by Survivor Thanks for supporting me and my board, while the sharing of information is not illegal (yet)I would prefer if we didn't talk about full auto conversion or the making of silencers in here, I am sure most of us know how to do both, knowledge is fine as long as you don't actually apply that knowledge for illegal purposes, If someone wants a full auto SKS I would suggest going to one of the NFA boards and looking for a registered trigger pack, I have seen one for sale from time to time, just do it legal, Thanks, Survivor Posted on Feb 12 1999, 04:42 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FA SKS by Rev. Joel If any RKI's respond to your question, it could be construed in a court of law that they and you were "conspiring to commit a felony"- which is a felony in and of itself. Also this is used by various Federal Agencies to entrap folks, so please do not get upset if others tell you - "Don't ask that question" Go and sin no more... Pax.. Rev. Joel Posted on Feb 11 1999, 10:36 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The media tells us how easy the conversion is but...ctxt by TB it is not that simple. There are ways to convert any weapon to full auto but if it costs more in time or money than buying a legal weapon... why do it? The most important thing is that while some means of conversion are simple, they are not safe. There is no 2 minute conversion for the sks or the AK. The AK can be done in about an hour with all the proper drill jigs and parts. The sks takes about the same. There is no way to hide the conversion after its done(it is quite obvious)and the cops do ask questions when you go shooting. I have had them ask me if they can shoot my toys right after they see my form 4's.... The line between rights of the citizens and reality of the lawyer are kinda blurry at the moment so maybe the education of the gun owners on full auto stuff shouldn't be pushed at the moment. The public forums like this are too accessible to the evil media scum. Posted on Feb 18 1999, 03:13 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Find more forums on Firearms Create your own forum at Netbabbler SKS Discussion Forum SKS Discussion Forum This board is dedicated to the discussion of the SKS rifle, feel free to ask all your questions here. I have decided to allow buying and selling of SKS (only)parts and accessories on this board. Send Comments and Questions to Survivor Survival Buy and Sell Forum General Gun Talk AK Discussion Forum -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Instructions on posting a reply by Charles I don't seem to be able to post replies to questions. Can someone instruct me? In reply to question on Paratroopers-I bought 4 at $135 a piece in 1997 and didn't wait long enough for them to appreciate before trading them off. I shot one and didn't like it. Poor accuracy, zero wandered, lots of blast. Cute but not very functional for me. Stamped SKS here in Baton Rouge run around $200 to 225. I have a beautiful Russian from Tula, 1951, in the prettiest red wood I have seen on any SKS. Any ideas as to the value? I paid $150 about 18 months ago. Thanks-Charles Posted on Feb 10 1999, 04:01 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- put a message title in by john Type something in the message title and if nothing still shows up try hitting the reload button after responding Posted on Feb 10 1999, 04:35 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by HDK i think you got a good deal on it. Russians in my area start at about 250. Posted on Feb 10 1999, 04:36 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- monte carlo stock question..ctxt by akjunkie i would like to install a monte carlo stock on my russian sks, anyone out there making one that will accept a BAYONET?? i really dont want to take the bayonet off. Posted on Feb 10 1999, 12:50 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Short Answer, "No." ctx by Richard Gould The only aftermarket stock slotted for a bayonet is the terrible side folder designed to accommodate the overly long Chinese spike. Sorry. Posted on Feb 10 1999, 10:39 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- one question, what's a bayonette lug? ctxt by dgboulin OK, what is a bayonette lug? 1. Is it a bayonete lug if there are no bayonette's that fit on it (aka its jsut a stud)? 2. If no for #1 does it become a bayonette lug if someone makes a bayonete for it at a later date? 3. Is something a bayonette lug even if it was originally designed as something else (such as a front sight or a sling swivel). Has anybody actually asked ATF this, or what their definition of a bayonete lug actually is? Seriously, how can you say something is illegal without defining what it is? Posted on Feb 10 1999, 12:33 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- what is a lug? by john I believe the atf would consider it a bayonet lug if you can put a bayonet on it. It all comes down to how you interparate the law and what I or you think doesn't really matter. I would, as the webmaster says get everything that they say is okay in writing. Be sure what you do is legal because many of the violations are felonies. Do you what to risk a felony (10 years in jail and $10,000 max I think?) over something like that? Write the atf in washington D.C. to make sure you are legal or if you have any questions. Posted on Feb 10 1999, 04:33 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Found good price on paratrooper by Survivor Check out this site: http://www.urban-armory.com/index.htm Posted on Feb 09 1999, 03:19 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Small or Large Primers work best by Steve S. Does anyone have data or experience on Remington's cases which use small primers compared to the standard large primers used by everyone else. Complete ignition,fouling, things of that nature. Great site...thanks Posted on Feb 09 1999, 10:12 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PRIMERS? by J.A. I can't tell any difference. chronograph can't either. Posted on Feb 09 1999, 04:39 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How long should an sks go before parts start to break? by john What how many rounds should a SKS go before parts start to break? What parts break most often? Posted on Feb 08 1999, 06:38 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Life expectancy? by Steve S. Real good question. I have read around 5 to 8 thousand rounds. I may be incorrect but I suppose it depends on your ammo, lubrication and cleaning. Of course depending on manufacturer. The AR-16 A1 is rated around 10,000 to 12,000 rounds life expectancy. That's not to say it will not fire after that, just the accuracy and dependability is unacceptable for the U.S. gov't. I hope I'm not too far off base and it helps. Posted on Feb 12 1999, 03:10 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tips by RUSSki CLEAN and LUBE the rifle(s) RELIGIOUSLY. Especially if they are considered "defensive" guns to be grabbed in an emergency. Replace failing or suspect-parts right away. Using a "limping gun" will only wear-out other parts quicker and further punish the rifle. USE A RECOIL BUFFER. You can make one from leather or rubber (sidewall of a motocross-style bicycle tire), but the O-FFICIAL nylon ones are designed to fit and are less than $20 to buy. FACTORY AMMUNITION is all that I'd use in my guns. Reloading is a pretty involved hobby, and if you get a bad batch from someone who "goofed", it can damage your gun or even injure YOU. Use extreme caution with reloaded/remanufactured ammo. Best Wishes! Posted on Feb 20 1999, 11:55 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- more info by pd shooter Hey RUSSki can you give me more info on a recoil buffer? Sounds like you should have one if you do much shooting. And what kind of factory ammo are we talking? I would like to do some P.Dog hunting this June and need some accurate loads . I would like to hear from someone that has reloaded for a SKS. The bullet type ,powder ,and primer. Thanks again for a great web site PD SHOOTER Posted on Feb 21 1999, 05:23 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Best SKS Recoil Buffer by Richard Gould PD Shooter, log onto http://www.buffertech.com, see for yourself, then order a buffer from Larry Bullock, owner of the company. Good luck w/ this, and happy shooting. Posted on Feb 22 1999, 12:52 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Handloading for the SKS by Richard Gould There's no mystery to this at all. A good choice is 24-grains of Accurate Arms 1680 propellent and a Winchester bulk .310 123-grain FMJ or SP projectile from Midway to start. You can dump about 25.5-grains of 1680 in a case w/o worry. Your typical brass case will stand many reloads. My preference is to get lots of cases, load 'em up together, pop 'em all, then start over. A Lee case trimmer in 7.62x39mm will eliminate most case prep chores and is well worth the nominal cost. You use it in conjunction w/ your electric hand drill and zip trim to a uniform length. Try this for guilt free shooting. Save the factory loads for dark days ahead. Posted on Feb 22 1999, 01:09 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Trigger Job by Pete to Steve Steve, Here is a possibility: (SGN Feb.15) "All MILITARY & ASSAULT RIFLES GUNSMITHING" Mon-Sat 9am to 4pm 626-280-6493 pst Please let me know how this works out. Pete Posted on Feb 08 1999, 06:32 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you Pete by Steve S. I'll let you know Posted on Feb 09 1999, 10:15 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS Legal Issues, please read by Webmaster As far as legal issues involving the SKS, they are one of the most difficult to understand of all the "assault" rifles, while I think it is great to exchange ideas, please note that the only one who actually knows the laws for sure is the BATF, and if they say it is OK to do something, make sure you get it in writing, because the next agent might interpret that law differently, when in doubt make the call. Thanks, Survivor Posted on Feb 07 1999, 05:40 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The SKS isn't an assault rifle! by Hmmmm? Never was even considered one by the antis. Posted on Feb 19 1999, 07:58 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BATF decisions by freedom1 I'am sure if the BATF wanted they could make a pencil into an "Assualt Weapon" Posted on Feb 20 1999, 03:40 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Second Amendment Message Board by Joe Please come vist my message board which also has a link to my Second Amendment activist homepage where you can learn how to effectively battle the foes of the Second Amendment. Feel free to visit and speak your mind on a variety of subjects ranging from gun issues, politics, the great outdoors to self sufficiency. Joe Joe's Second Amendment Homepage Message Board Posted on Feb 07 1999, 03:27 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ak mag? by Jon I would love to know if anyone knows where I could find an adapter kit so my Chinese SKS could use ak mags, if not I guess I'll just buy a Mac (sigh!)I am not gonna spend 250 dollars on a ak mag accepting SKS when the one I got only cost me $80!!!!! Posted on Feb 06 1999, 12:57 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: AK mags by Rev. Joel 'Fraid you're out of luck. Unless you have a "D" model, you cannot fit (economically) an AK mag to an SKS. Posted on Feb 08 1999, 12:21 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- One Option Close to What You're Asking For by Richard Gould Go to http://senna.speedsoft.com/nationlink/sksman/index.html and look around at his magazines for sale. He still carries the largely discredited Choate quick detachable magazine adaptors and boxes for SKS rifles. It's close to what you seek tho not quite there. Good luck, and keep 'em in the X, 10 or 9 rings. Posted on Feb 09 1999, 02:07 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WTS: SKS Trigger group by CUB These wont last long have 3 in stock $85.00 shipped e-mail if interested Posted on Feb 06 1999, 10:35 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The SKS Carbine" by Lobo In reference to: "Steve Kehaya and Joe Poyer go into detail on this problem in their North Cape Productions book, THE SKS CARBINE (page 46)." Does anyone have an address/email/phone number where I can purchase this text? Posted on Feb 05 1999, 11:02 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- try www.tapco.com by swami I was browsing this site and I believe they carry this book. Posted on Feb 05 1999, 11:06 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- North Cape Publications by DaMan PO Box 1027 Tustin, CA 92781 (714)- 832-3621 Posted on Feb 05 1999, 04:04 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for the info by Lobo Guys, thanks for the information, I've got a new in the box SKS 'Paratrooper' that I'm going to break in a little later this spring. I've never had a semi-auto rifle, so I need all the help I can get. Posted on Feb 05 1999, 04:33 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS double fires?? by swami I have two SKS rifles. I have been getting double-firings from both of them, about once every 50 or so rounds; no triples or full auto yet. I've been shooting the Russian HP ammo. Is it just firing pin inertia or is it a trigger sear problem? The primers get a pretty nice little dent in them just from the bolt slamming home. Do I need to file down the firing pin a tad? Posted on Feb 05 1999, 10:51 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Slam Fires by DaMan Swami, have you ever disassembled bolt and cleaned "cosmoline" from firing pin and hole? Regards! DaMan Posted on Feb 05 1999, 04:11 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes! I'm cosmoline free! by swami Just rocking the rifle (or bolt assy.) forward to rearward causes the firing pin to move back and forth. The gun is squeaky clean, with just a very light touch of oil in the right places. I guess I need to recover the spent casings for inspection next time I get a double. They've been going over the bridge into the river, so I haven't been able to check out the primer indents. Posted on Feb 08 1999, 06:06 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What shells are you useing? by john What brand of shells are you using? Posted on Feb 08 1999, 05:56 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Russian HP mostly, but also... by swami I've been shooting the Russian ammo, mostly the hollow point stuff that comes in a cube-shaped box (I think it comes in sealed tin cans of about 500 rounds). But I also had a double fire with the Russian soft point ammo that is sold as "hunting rifle ammunition", and has a sketch of a wolf (or coyote) head on the box. It also seems a tad hotter than the HP ammo. Posted on Feb 09 1999, 06:21 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Russian HP mostly, but also... by swami I've been shooting the Russian ammo, mostly the hollow point stuff that comes in a cube-shaped box (I think it comes in sealed tin cans of about 500 rounds). But I also had a double fire with the Russian soft point ammo that is sold as "hunting rifle ammunition", and has a sketch of a wolf (or coyote) head on the box. It also seems a tad hotter than the HP ammo. Posted on Feb 09 1999, 07:37 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Try another brand ctxt by john I would try a differant brand add see if that helps any. My shells also get a big dent in them but i haven't had any problems. I don't know if it is cold were you live but the firing pin might be gumming up. It seems to me you fire, the pin sticks, then it hits another shell and knocks it back into place. Try putting a light coat of rem oil on the pin and see if that helps. Posted on Feb 12 1999, 11:52 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Slam-fires by Packrat I think the key is your observation of dented primers from the bolt slamming home. Take the bolt out, press the firing pin all the way back, and see if it sticks out. It shouldn't. A friend of mine dropped a .30 Mauser cartridge that had been carried in the pistol with the hammer down on it, onto a wooden floor. It (cartridge only, not the pistol) went off and buried the bullet in a wooden baseboard. We never found the case. A dented primer is an accident waiting to happen. A weapon that creates these is more dangerous (IMHO) than one with a faulty safety. Posted on Feb 16 1999, 12:44 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Your trigger group may be to clean by Tom in NM I had the sam problem with mine after cleaning with Gun Scrubber. Got all the grease and oil out of there and did not get lubricated enough after cleaning. Double fired next time out. Took it apart and oiled a little better and no more after 100's of rounds. Posted on Mar 14 1999, 04:55 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wilson buffer pad any good? by STEVE S. Wilson combat sells a rubber buffer for the SKS and I would like to know if they reduce wear, how often do you need to change them and have they caused any malfunctions? Posted on Feb 03 1999, 01:22 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here is what I think by john I have never had one but I think most of their add is hype. SKS and all millitary rifles are very reliable and parts are usually cheap and plentiful. On the other had ten bucks isn't that much to give something a try. Posted on Feb 10 1999, 05:18 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Majority... by RUSSki ... of comments I've seen on the subject favor the buffers without question. Folks report reduced felt-recoil and fewer worn/broken parts. I believe that the Israelis have taken to installing buffers "officially" in some of their issued-arms. I have a Chinese and a Russian SKS. Buffers for each are in the mail! Posted on Feb 21 1999, 12:00 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- trigger job worth the money by STEVE S. Is a trigger job on a SKS worth the money? Posted on Feb 03 1999, 01:19 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- re: trigger job worth the money by The Confessor I guess it depends on how bad your trigger is. In general, I would say a trigger job on an SKS will not make much of a difference. The very design of the SKS trigger group makes it nearly impossible to shorten or lighten the pull significantly. I'm sure you could improve the performance, but I doubt it would make a huge difference in the gun in my opinion... Posted on Feb 03 1999, 08:51 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: Trigger job worth the money by Pete I have had a trigger job on my three SKS--and it is well worth the money.($25ea.) A trigger job both shortens and lightens the pull significantly! You can check Shotgun News for gunsmiths that are currently offering tigger jobs. Good luck, Pete Posted on Feb 03 1999, 11:12 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Trigger job by Steve S. Do these gun smiths only require you to send them the trigger group? I do not receive Shotgun News. Can you give me the name/address of the Gunsmith? Thank you for your help...Steve Posted on Feb 04 1999, 08:05 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Trigger Job by Pete Steve You just send the trigger assem. I just checked the latest SGN but did not see any gunsmith advertizing SKS triggeer jobs. Let me scratch around here a couple a days and see if I can come up with an address. Pete Posted on Feb 04 1999, 10:22 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What Do You Lugs Mean By The Word "Detachable?" by Richard Gould As in SKS magazine, of course. Is a U.S.A.-brand steel "detachable" 30-round magazine w/ the goofy arm, a detachable magazine or really just an easily removable "fixed" box. The same goes for a Zytel plastic aftermarket clip? Is that what you mean by a "detachable" magazine. Aren't the only detachable magazines, (a) AK-banana clips, for SKS-D sporter rifles, or (2) those now largely forgotten American plastic clips, resembling Ruger Mini-thirty mags, that one would formerly use in conjuction with an adapter stuck up an SKS magazine well? It seems to me that only (a) an altered SKS, (b) a Type 84 Chinese rifle (imported back in the 80s w/ a folding spike bayonet and AK-mag set up), or (c) a 90s era SKS-D sporter actually utilize true detachable magazines, and that unaltered rifles w/ easy in-'n-out goof balls do not. To argue otherwise is to concede that all SKS rifles are semiautomatic assault weapons because they all accept detachable mags. This is offered for healthy debating purposes, only. Posted on Feb 02 1999, 09:24 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Detachable" vs. "fixed" magazines by Gary It's been a while since I fired my fixed-magazine SKS, which was briefly modified with one of those horrid Cobray magazine adapters and plastic magazines. Do the modified AK magazines with the "extension arm" require that you pop out the trigger group to remove them, as with the original 10-round fixed magazine? If so, they should be considered fixed magazines, 'cause it's certainly easier to load with stripper clips than to field strip the rifle to get the magazine out. If they drop out with a simple tug on the magazine release, then they are indeed "removable". Which is it? Of course, no matter which way the magazines work, the BATF's view of modifications do not always follow logical patterns. Posted on Feb 03 1999, 10:11 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30-round magazine variants by Gary I'll partially answer my own question here: Evidently there are both fixed 30-round mags AND removable versions, with the latter dropping free of the gun when the shooter pulls the SKS magazine release. The difference is said to be a "bump", or lack thereof, on the rear edge of the magazine. All of them (both versions) look like AK magazines with those funky extensions attached. Can anyone add more detail? Gary Posted on Feb 04 1999, 08:12 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The differance is.... by john The detachable magazines do not as big as a "lip" than the detachables. To put the detachables in the gun you must take out the fixed mag and put the trigger back in without the fix mag. The detachables go in buy sticking the arm in first then pivioting the mag up until it locks in place. The legality of installing them is a whole other story Posted on Feb 04 1999, 12:01 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Detachable/Non-detachable Mags by JCW As far as the United States Army goes, a detachable magazine is one where a simple press of the button releases the mag so a fresh one can be installed. This should take no longer than 3 seconds. So using the above any magazine system that could not do this would be a "Non-Detachable" magazine. Don`t go by the United States Army version as the BATF is not part the United States Armed Forces, who by the way only protect our Country, so what do they know. Posted on Feb 21 1999, 05:35 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Russian SKS - general questions by Rebel Here are some questions for any Russian SKS experts: 1) I have a 1954 Russian SKS, all serial numbers match, it also has the folding bayonet, original sling, tool kit, and oil can. Never been fired. What is the market value? 2) Would it be legal to remove the the 10 round fix magazine and insert a 20 round detachable magazine (assuming I find one at a gun show that was manuafactured prior to 1994) ? 3) Are the detachable clips reliable for feeding the ammo? 4) What brand of 7.62 X 39 would you recommend that I buy if I wanted to shoot it? Posted on Feb 02 1999, 07:01 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- re: Russian SKS - general questions by The Confessor >Here are some questions for any Russian SKS experts: >1) I have a 1954 Russian SKS, all serial numbers match, it also has the folding bayonet, original > sling, tool kit, and oil can. Never been fired. What is the market value? Prices can vary, and do seem to be going up. I paid about $220 for a 1951 Tula Arsenal (Star with an arrow inside on the receiver cover) about 6 months ago, and it was NIB (new in box). >2) Would it be legal to remove the the 10 round fix magazine and insert a 20 round detachable > magazine (assuming I find one at a gun show that was manuafactured prior to 1994) ? To the best of my knoweldge, the manufacture date of the magazine is irrelevant in this case, it is illegal UNLESS you completely remove the bayonet and the bayonet lug. Do yourself a favor and become proficient with stripper clips. The Russian SKS's are beautiful guns, I hate seeing them messed with! 3) Are the detachable clips reliable for feeding the ammo? Never really used 'em, but I've heard good and bad stories. One thing that seems to be consistant is that most of the removables are manufactured for Chinese SKS's which have slightly shorter magazines than the Russki models. This means that if you buy one, you have to get out the dremel or some files and make some slight alterations. Strippers work flawlessly! Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those "anti-removable mag Nazis" that are ranting about the SKS being a fixed mag gun. I own an SKS-D which accepts AK mags, and if you want that performance in an SKS, it's the only way to go. 4) What brand of 7.62 X 39 would you recommend that I buy if I wanted to shoot it? My local sporting goods store wants almost $8.00 a box for 7,62 x 39 (Federal I believe)! If you want to go out, have fun shooting and crank through hundreds of rounds, buy surplus Russian ammo (TCW is good) for about $100 for 1000 rounds. Posted on Feb 03 1999, 08:44 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Re:Russian SKS-general queastions by Pete 3) Are the detachable clips reliable for feeding the ammo? I have found 30rd USA Mags very reliable in my SKS rifles. To use, simply remove the 10rd fixed magazine, no alteration to the shock or hardware is necessary. USA Mags cost around $20. There is a question of legality of use in some late issue rifles. Pete Posted on Feb 03 1999, 11:31 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ammo by Capt. Daves Russian ammo is great. I shoot tons of the stuff in mine. Be sure to clean your SKS well after shooting, it is carrosive. Posted on Feb 14 1999, 07:53 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Which Is better? by BPO I am thinking of buying a 1000 rounds of 7.62 X 39 in order to save cost. What kind of accuarcy can one expect with TCW hollow pionts vs. Sellor and Bellot full metal jackets. Anyone ever compare these two types of ammo? Posted on Feb 02 1999, 11:45 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Save more money buy Russian Ammo! by Steve S. Why not save a lot of money and by 1000 rds of Russian H.P. ammo? It's only $109.95 delivered! Cole distributing Inc. You may never see these prices again. As far as accuracy. It's a SKS and ammo type won't make that much difference. Posted on Feb 03 1999, 02:54 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ammo by Gary I learned that the SKS's bore size can vary from .310 to .314 or so which means that factory 7.62x39 ammo loaded with .308 bullets won't give good accuracy. Domestic rifles in this cal. have .308 barrels. Use Russian surplus or load your own using British .303 bullets which measure .311 and have fun. Posted on Feb 04 1999, 08:23 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- An Anniversary of Sorts by Richard Gould 31 January this year is the fourth anniversary of Edward M. Owen, Jr.'s letter relating to "permissible" modifications available to be performed upon SKS rifles. Own was then chief, of the BATF's Firearms Technology Branch. It is my understanding that this is the most definitive statement on a subject of mutual concern. The item is responsive to a request for information specific to what a fella could do, legally, to a Russian SKS. Owen cited 18 U.S.C. 922 and 18 U.S.C. 925 provisions, only to conclude: "SKS rifles (no distinction made between nations of manufacture given, and this is important)which do not have an ability to accept a detachable magazine are not semiautomatic assault weapons as defined in U.S.C. 921(a)(3) and they are not subject to the provisions of 18 U.S.C. 922(v) (i.e., Clinton's 1994 semiautomatic assault weapons ban)." The discussion at this web site, associated with removal of bayonet lugs stems from a BATF letter, dated 2 March 1994, to the National Rifle Association. Therein, the opinion is expressed that it "would not be a violation of 18 U.S.C. 922(r)to "replace the standard configuration stock with a Monte Carlo or thumbhole style stock and replace the fixed magazine with a detachable magazine. This modification may be done provided the bayonet mount is completely removed from the rifle." The same letter goes on to state blandly that SKS rifles fitted with bipods are banned from import therefore we cannot do so in the states. My source on the 1994 letter quoted above, James Bardwell, does not provide the name of the author of the BATF document. Judge for yourselves what all this means. I see Owen's later statement to be the more compelling of the two. Unfortunately, as no SKS rifles are importable these days, thanks to the 6 April 1998 Executive Order ban, the subject is moot. This post is for information purposes only. Posted on Feb 02 1999, 09:55 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sporter/Paratrooper Confusion by The Confessor I've seen quite a few messages over the past day or so that have totally misrepresented the difference between the Paratrooper and Sporter models. Here is the scoop: The Paratrooper was manufactured by Norinco for commercial sale in the US only. The only differences between a Paratrooper and the Model 56 Norincos are the barrel length (16" instead of 19"), the gas tube length (which is shorter), the gas port block is closer to the receiver and they were NEVER manufactured with a bayonet lug that I know of. The Sporter is a modified version of the Paratrooper which will accept AK magazines and which has a factory Monte Carlo stock. The confusion that enters here is that many dealers will advertise "sporter" SKS's meaning that it is any model of SKS that has been "sporterized" (i.e. a sporting stock, scope, etc.) Let the buyer beware on these guns, ask before you purchase! Hope this helps... The Confessor Posted on Feb 01 1999, 08:18 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bayo lug on paratrooper by Survivor My paratrooper model has a bayo lug, my sporter doesn't, but I have seen sporter models for sale with bayo lugs from time to time. Posted on Feb 02 1999, 03:48 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Another difference is..... by swami I had a paratrooper several years ago. I noticed it did not have a hard-chromed bore, whereas most of the standard length rifles do. Posted on Feb 02 1999, 07:50 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paratrooper Differences by Freedom1 I have a Paratrooper which was modified by Norinco to the 16.5 barrel. It has a threaded barrel and I have been told it started life in 1965 as a 20" military carbine. Posted on Feb 27 1999, 06:32 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS - AK question by Nick Are the gas tube and barrel Outside Diameter dimensions of an SKS the same as an AK?? I am concerned only with the portion of the gas tube and barrel that are visible. Thanks in advance. Posted on Feb 01 1999, 12:25 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- recoil spring direction(s) by swami I'm confused as to which way my SKS recoil spring should be installed. Some websites say that the unsupported (bunched-up) end of the spring goes forward (into the bolt carrier). Yet another page shows an exploded diagram that shows it the other way. Which is correct? Posted on Feb 01 1999, 12:25 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The above is a question. I haven't the answer by dave please tell him which way the spring goes Posted on Feb 01 1999, 12:56 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mr. Squiggly goes in first! by DaMan Good question! I've seen it three different ways in the so-called "on-line instruction manuals". There is only one way to do it correctly! Holding the hollow rod guide by the rear lip, drop the recoil rod through it (small dia end first). Take the head end of the cleaning rod, insert through the rear end of the guide and keep the recoil rod fully extended by placing the other end of the cleaning rod on the floor and pushing down on guide tube. While holding guide tube and rod fully extended, compress spring down over guide tube until retainer can be inserted onto rod under small dia. end. Slowly release spring until it properly holds the retainer in place. Caution!!! Do not hold face/eyes over rod while doing this! Retainer and spring can go zing and put an eye out! When done you'll see that spring at the retainer end is kind of "squiggly". The squiggly end (retainer end) is inserted into the bolt carrier first! The carrier has a hole of the appropriate dia. which will keep the retainer in place. If you insert the recoil ring assbly. backwards, you're asking for BIG problems! Regards! DaMan Posted on Feb 01 1999, 06:05 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Typo by DaMan That should be "spring assbly" not "ring assbly" in last line! DaMan Posted on Feb 01 1999, 06:30 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Could someone out their with a pre 89 norinco please help? by fred I am trying to determine if the gun I bought was a pre or post ban gun. Could some please give me a serial # off a gun they know is pre ban. For instance if the serial # is 18000039129 just put in 1800003xxxx or something like that no need to give the complete number. On a side note is the sks sporter a certain model sks or is it a sks with out the bayonet mount and a monte carlo stock. Posted on Jan 31 1999, 01:46 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sorry forgot to add one more thing by fred The gun that i am trying to determined if it is pre ban is an unissued chinese norinco with a bayonet lug, no bayonet, cleaning rod and tool kit in the stock. It was imported by china sports. Posted on Jan 31 1999, 01:51 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The answer to your question will not tell you wether your gun is pre-ban..... by RLW ... Even if you could make sense out the serial numbers, taking account of all the prefixes, chinese characters and arsenal marks, that would not tell you when the gun was IMPORTED. You may be able to tell when the gun was manufactured, but this has NO bearing on the import date. I have an sks made in the 80's that was imported before 1989 and I have several made in the 50's $ 60's that were imported after 1989. The ONLY way to PROVE the gun is preban is the original customs import papers. A preban dated bill of sale might satisfy you, but they can be easily faked. If you don't know and trust the seller, especially if he is charging a premium for the fact the gun is 'preban', I would suggest that you do not give any weight to a bill of sale. I have seen lots of yahoos selling 'preban' sks's for gobs of money, but I have NEVER seen proper documentation of that claim. I have heard plenty of BS about when the gun was made or the fact that it has a bayonet lug means it is preban because 'everybody knows' that after the ban the lugs were required to be ground off, etc....BULL! I have bought a number of sks's claimed (without import papers) to be preban, but I will not pay one cent more for one than for a postban sks. And I take all the nonconforming junk (bayonets, folding stocks, detach mags, etc. ) off of the gun BEFORE I hand over the cash. I am just paranoid enough to take care, that in the event big brother is watching, I am not in posession of a nonconforming gun. About the only thing you gain with a preban gun is the ability to put a bayonet on it. If you want a bayonet, just buy a russian gun. And anyway, in the old days, most people took the bayonets OFF, as they found the guns more accurate without them. Posted on Jan 31 1999, 03:58 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Would the manufacturer know by fred If i wrote china sports would they be able to tell me the import date? Posted on Jan 31 1999, 04:58 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The importer would know..... by RLW ...not the manufacturer. That is, if the importer is still in business. They may or may not charge for this info. I have always been too lazy to see if any of my guns are preban. Customs and the BATF should have that info too. I have never cared to get into a dialog with a federal agency about a gun that I own...and I'm lazy. Again, the only thing you gain with preban status is the right to put a bayonet on. And from what I have seen, the only thing that makes an 'sks sporter' is that the seller says it is a 'sporter'. I would say that a 'sporter' would be somewhat likely to have one or more of the following: Aftermarket stock Muzzle brake Scope mount No bayonet lug Ambidexterous safety Carbine length barrel Stamped trigger guard Pinned barrel Or then again it might just be a rock stock sks. Posted on Jan 31 1999, 09:27 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SPORTER OR NOT A SPORTER by OSCAR I OWN A NORINCO "SKS SPORTER".IT ACTUALLY HAS SPORTER STAMPED ON THE RECIEVER AND ITS REFFERED TO AS A SPORTER IN THE TWO PAGE INSTRUCTIONS THAT CAME WITH IT. BONE STOCK IT CAME WITH 5 RND DETACHABLE MAG,(AK STYLE) NO BAYONET LUG OR MUZZLE BRAKE, AND WITH A THUMB HOLE STOCK. Posted on Feb 04 1999, 10:23 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sks paratrooper question by Nick Do all SKS paratrooper accept regular AK mags?? I saw one for sale in gun list or something like that and it said it accepts detachable AK mags. Is this possible? Thanks in advance. Posted on Jan 30 1999, 08:15 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think so by john as far as i know yes all other sks require sks mags. Posted on Jan 30 1999, 08:51 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No, ctxt by Survivor There are two different "paratroopers" one is actually called an SKS-D, that is the one that accepts AK mags, I also have a shorter paratrooper that is just like a regular SKS only with a 16" barrel, it takes SKS mags not AK. Posted on Jan 31 1999, 05:52 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Slam Fires by DaMan Over on GunTalk there are many "experts" who would have you believe that SKSs double and go auto all the time. While I know there is the posibility of inertia slam fire on any semi-auto rifle that lacks a firing pin return spring, I have yet to have an SKS double on me! I'd like to hear if anyone out there has experienced doubling and, if so, what you attribute the doubling to (ammo, improper maintenance/assembly, weapon design, etc) Thanks! Regards! DaMan Posted on Jan 28 1999, 08:42 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Problem Is ... by Richard Gould As you might have guessed, DaMan, in the replacing of certain ChiCom firing pins into an SKS bolt after routine cleaning. Should these modern-production firing pins go back in upside down, the firing pin will remain jammed in the forward position and may cause a slam-fire. To guard against this, break down a "new-in-box," apparently unfired Chinese rifle's bolt and reassemble making certain that when installing the firing pin you are sure that the retaining pin passes behind the forward-most hump which has its center 1.24 inches behind the nose, or, if the rifle has been fired successfully in the past, just be careful in setting down and retrieving the firing pin during cleaning. Steve Kehaya and Joe Poyer go into detail on this problem in their North Cape Productions book, THE SKS CARBINE (page 46). Posted on Jan 28 1999, 09:45 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Slam fires (continued) by DaMan Thanks, Rich! I'm aware that some idiot, with a big enough hammer, has done this before. But these "experts" claim that the problem has nothing to do with "poor gunsmithing" or "soft primers" as I suggested. I did have an AK clone double on me when using handloads with the old soft Winchester primers. The AK and SKS firing pin arrangement are similar, but I changed to hard primers and the problem was solved! And I've NEVER had an SKS double on me ... PERIOD! I use reloads with hard primers or M-43 type ammunition. While I know it is possible to have an SKS double, I think poor maintenance, improper assembly, and ammo with soft primers are the culprits! If anyone out there has experienced a double or auto where they can't trace the cause to one of the above, please tell me. All SKS enthusiasts should get the book Rich suggested! It is THE BEST info source on the SKS! Regards! DaMan Posted on Jan 28 1999, 11:42 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Slamfires and autos by The Confessor Slamfires do occur when the pin is inserted upside down, but there are four different types of SKS firing pins, and some cannot be inserted upside down. ALL Chinese manufactured that I've ever seen CAN, but it is not the most common reason. Most slamfires and autos tend to be caused by worn or improperly machined sears. The sear (for those who don't know) is the part of your trigger assemby that hold the hammer back and is actived by the trigger to fire the weapon. If the main bearing surface of the sear becomes worn and "rounded" off, it can begin to slamfire and go auto. It is no joke either! If you see all these "Poor Man's Guide to SKS Full Auto" ads on eBay, this is what they're going to tell you to do (I assume). The big problem is that once the gun fires it doesn't stop until it runs out of ammo or the sear happens to catch, which is NOT safe and NOT cool. My brother had a Chinese SKS fresh out of the cosmoline with less than 100 rounds through it that doubled and tripled often until we worked the sear over to give it a more positive surface. Posted on Jan 28 1999, 02:27 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- sks double firing by Jon I have had a sks double tap a time or two, it was a chinesebut improper matinence or assambly was not the culprit, anyways, it has never happened since ( about a year a go. ) Posted on Feb 06 1999, 12:53 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Been there had that happen by J.A. used Remington primers for soft point hunting reloads. friend and I out deer hunting he shot at buck said he shot three times i heard full auto fire. checked mag seven shells missing. now i pull military surplus ammo bullets and seat soft point bullets no more slam fires. Posted on Jan 30 1999, 09:07 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS Scout??? by Nick Has anyone ever seen an Scout SKS? If you dont know what I am talking about, they have a low magnification, long eye relief scope mounted in front of the rear sight. The scope is far enough forward to allow the use of stripper clips. I would like to see any pics of an SKS with these type of modifications. I saw a Mini-14 Scout a few months ago and it was really slick. Anyone seen one on the web?? Nick Posted on Jan 27 1999, 08:01 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mini 14 scout rifle pic by Nick Here is a link to a sweet scout setup on a mini 14. So why not set up an SKS like this?? The SKS is a more accurate weapon to start with, so it would be the ultimate Urban Scout Rifle on a shoesrting budget! What do you think? http://www.et-dialhome.net/UrbanScout/ Posted on Jan 29 1999, 03:17 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scout SKS by Packrat I believe that B-Square makes a forward mount. I haven't seen a picture of it, but apparently it mounts on the barrel in front of the gas port. You might be able to make a mount to do this, since it would essentially hold two tubes in a fixed relation to each other. Posted on Feb 17 1999, 08:13 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wanted: Russian SKS by Noel Napolilli I'm trying to find an Izhevsk Arsenal SKS identified by a triangle in a circle trademark instead of a star with arrow inside (Tula). I'd like a nice all matching one, but it doesn't have to be new. I know there's plenty around, but in Alaska, we are kind of isolated. Thanks for your help. "Nap" Posted on Jan 23 1999, 06:13 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Izhevsk SKS by DaMan Noel, you might check the many on-line gun ads. I know that blackrifle.com has a semi-auto rifle message board. The Izhevsk SKSs are scarce as hens teeth! I don't recall EVER seeing one for sale! The people who have them are usually collectors and hang on to them. Good luck! Regards! DaMan Posted on Jan 28 1999, 08:29 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKSs by DaMan Noel, also check out gunsource.com Regards! DaMan Posted on Jan 29 1999, 07:05 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- IZHEVSK SKS by RED DAWN I BOUGHT THAT SAME SKS TWO YEARS AGO FOR 150.00 AT B&B GUNS. I TRIED GETTING INFORMATION ON IT BUT NOBODY HAD ANY. WHAT MAKES THIS TYPE SO SPECIAL, ALL SERIAL NO MATCH AND ITS A GREAT SHOOTER.IF ANY BODY HAS ANY INFORMATION, IT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. Posted on Jan 30 1999, 08:40 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Izhevsk Rarity by Noel Napolilli Well Red, Tula and Izhevsk were the two factories that produced the SKS. Tula made them for four years and Izhevsk for two years. They aren't terribly rare, but production was about 1/3 of Tula. Just something interesting that I'm trying to find for the collection. Thanks "Nap" Posted on Jan 30 1999, 11:49 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- THANKS NAP by RED DAWN THANKS FOR THE INFO Posted on Jan 31 1999, 06:53 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GunsAmerica.com currently has... by RUSSki some excellent Tulas. Give the seller a call, and maybe he can provide a lead or maybe even has one of the whatchamacallits you're after. I just ordered a '52 Tula, and the owner seems really in the know and is very professional. Posted on Feb 13 1999, 12:04 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Magazine Laws Please Help I am confused??? by jon I have a norinco sks with a bayonet mount (no bayonet). Can I put detachable magazines on it or not if I grind of the bayonet mount and put of a monte carlo stock. Can I use high capacity detachable mags made in the USA or would I still be in violation of 922(r) capacity mags for it? Please help I am seriouly confused!! Posted on Jan 23 1999, 04:51 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- try the sks homepage... by here is the address http://www.access.digex.net/~45acp/sks.html Posted on Jan 23 1999, 09:58 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Where can I find a bayonet lug for my SKS. by buddy I need a bayonet lug for my SKS in order to attach my bipod to the rifle. Posted on Jan 23 1999, 12:52 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- re: Bayonet Lug by The Confessor Check with SKS parts dealers (www.sksman.com has a front sight assembly with bayonet lug for $25) and then ask yourself if you really want to be a criminal. As I understand it, adding a bayonet lug to a rifle which was not manufactured with one is a CLEAR violation of 922(r). The intended purpose for such an addition makes no matter, so it's your ass on the line if you chose to do so... Posted on Jan 23 1999, 05:28 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bipod by Survivor First off as far as I know ALL SKS's were manufactured with bayo lugs, they were just shaved off some for a more sporting appearance, next, I would suggest a different type of bipod that clamps on the barrel instead of attaching to the bayo lug. Posted on Jan 23 1999, 07:39 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- re: bayonet lug by The Confessor Not all SKS's had bayonet lugs. Many of the late "paratrooper" models were produced completely without bayonet lugs, as were all SKS Type D's that were produced for commericial purposes. My SKS Type D has block that would appear at a distance to be a bayo lug, but it just has hole for the cleaning rod to pass through with a spring loaded pin inside that provides tension to retain the cleaning rod (which was, of course, originally provided by the bayonet itself). Posted on Jan 24 1999, 10:36 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mine is a Norinco by buddy My rifle is just a regular Norinco. It has no bayonet lug at all. I do not want the lug for a bayonet. I just want it for my bipod. Posted on Jan 25 1999, 06:25 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS parts? by Gary Buddy: It does not matter that you just want the thing for bipod mounting, it's the provisions of the semi-auto ban that make the bayonet mount, not the bayonet itself, the "illegal" part. Be sure to compare your rifle's barrel to the earlier ones that came with a bayonet. Those may have had a spot on the barrel machined to fit the lug, I can't recall. If that's the case, it's going to be way too much trouble for you to adapt one. If yours has a metal block in that spot, where the "lug" portions was simply milled off the bottom, then you might be able to get one to fit. Still, the chore of removing the entire front sight would be enough to steer me towards the "barrel clamp" bipods. Try Keng's or TAPCO for SKS parts. They have various bipods, too. Gary Posted on Jan 26 1999, 10:37 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- re:SKS Parts? by The Cofessor I know that www.sksman.com has the front sight assembly with the bayonet lug for $25 listed on the site. Availibility??! The bayonet lug is an integral part of the front sight assembly, all of which fits on the end of the barrel and is held in place with two pins. They are a pain in the ass to work with and a competant gunsmith is recommended for any such work. Let's look at the legality of the issue. I own three SKS's. One is a 1951 Tula Russian w/ bayo, one is a mid-sixties Chinese w/ bayo and one is a 1994 Sporter. The Russian model is legal because it is listed on the BATF Curios and Relics list and is in "as imported", the Chinese w/ bayo is legal because the gun is in "as manufactured" condition (adding a muzzle brake, removable clip or any other "proscribed" item though would make it illegal) and the Sporter would be illegal if I installed a sight w/ bayonet lug. Whew! I hate clamp on bipods and would dearly love to put a bayonet lug on the Sporter to use the good kind, but it just isn't legal. It doesn't matter that I could tape a buck knife to a broomstick and about the same functionality as a bayonet! Now let's look at the reality of the situation. These laws have nothing to do with protecting Johnny when he's riding the bus through Crackville on his way to school at Drive-By High. These laws were created to protect American manufacturers from cheap imports. Hell, it's illegal to import an AK-47, but if I build a gun that is identical in every way here in the US, it would be legal. But, I can put together a VERY functional and attractive weapon for about $500 (with lots of mods) using the SKS as a basis. How much to do that with Colt parts? $1000 to get started? Maybe if a sold all my other weapons and got a second job?? But then I'd have to upgrade my Makarov to a Sig Sauer!! Okay, okay. Enough ranting for one day... Posted on Jan 28 1999, 02:14 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- U.S. production of parts by Gary Your rant (a good one at that!) made me recall something. I heard that some manufacturer in the U.S. was gearing up to produce MAK-90 type receivers, presumably using Chinese or other semi-auto AK-clone parts that have been sitting here for years. That would get around the import problem (though the Chinese just might get ticked at B.C.- hah!) but as you said, it becomes a cost issue. When you start playing with the AR-15 clones, one can be built for a parts cost of under $500, if you shop for parts patiently. Sure, you have to use a post-ban barrel sans threaded tip and bayonet lug, but many people find the "new" configuration is more accurate! The domestically produced AKs would have to compete in that market, so the prices would have to be realistic. That's why I think they intend to use a big ol' pile of "grandfathered" Chinese-built MAK parts. I am *not* talking about the B-West "loophole" AK-47S of several years ago, but new stuff. Has anyone heard more details on this? Gary Posted on Feb 01 1999, 09:00 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have heard this by john On another firearms board this is what I found Another small firm called RPB Industries shocked me with how much they have made a mockery of the "Crime Bill" again, Legal pistol grips for stamped post-ban AK-clones!! They specialize in "assault weapons" (MAC 10's, UZI, AK,.....) But don't take my word for it, I've been branded a "Flamer" on this board once. So call RPB for the Latest BATF approvals; 1-800-858-0809 or PO Box 367, Avondale Estates, Georgia 30002 Posted on Feb 01 1999, 07:44 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I see. by buddy I guess I will just have to get a snap-on bipod. I really don't like them but it will have to do. Thanks for the info. Posted on Jan 30 1999, 12:50 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Watch what you do you might commit a felony by john If your sks has a detachale magazine and a bayonet lug it might be a felony. See my posting under mags still for sale. Posted on Jan 30 1999, 08:55 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anyone ever shoot a full auto SKS? by KEN It's a hoot! I was a Class III dealer for many years,and have shot all kinds of interesting things. So, it takes a lot to impress me. I was impressed! Posted on Jan 23 1999, 11:02 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Retro-fit Select Fire SKS Trigger Groups by Richard Gould No, Ken, I've never had the distinct pleasure you report. A gun smith from Australia was tasked with cleaning up several thousand Simonov carbines from Israel prior to commercial retail, several years ago. One sample that came across his workbench was a Chinese Type 56 Carbine (SKS) with an unusual, factory-made select-fire trigger group with switch housed in a box set off to the right and in front of the trigger itself. The guy was fascinated by it and passed it on to the Australian military for a good look over. Somehow I doubt that that particular sample was, in fact, sold commercially with the rest of the batch. Posted on Jan 24 1999, 07:46 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Find more forums on Firearms Create your own forum at Netbabbler SKS Discussion Forum SKS Discussion Forum This board is dedicated to the discussion of the SKS rifle, feel free to ask all your questions here. I have decided to allow buying and selling of SKS (only)parts and accessories on this board. Send Comments and Questions to Survivor Survival Buy and Sell Forum General Gun Talk AK Discussion Forum -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anyone ever shoot a full auto SKS? by KEN It's a hoot! I was a Class III dealer for many years,and have shot all kinds of interesting things. So, it takes a lot to impress me. I was impressed! Posted on Jan 23 1999, 11:02 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Retro-fit Select Fire SKS Trigger Groups by Richard Gould No, Ken, I've never had the distinct pleasure you report. A gun smith from Australia was tasked with cleaning up several thousand Simonov carbines from Israel prior to commercial retail, several years ago. One sample that came across his workbench was a Chinese Type 56 Carbine (SKS) with an unusual, factory-made select-fire trigger group with switch housed in a box set off to the right and in front of the trigger itself. The guy was fascinated by it and passed it on to the Australian military for a good look over. Somehow I doubt that that particular sample was, in fact, sold commercially with the rest of the batch. Posted on Jan 24 1999, 07:46 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How Do I Use Stripper Clips? by Bill Could someone please tell me how to use the stripper clips? I just bought some and can't figure out exactly how to use them. Posted on Jan 22 1999, 06:53 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How to use a stripper clip by Geo S. Personally, I would not do this at home because of the danger of the weapon firing. Be safe, do this at the range. Remember, you assume all responsibility. The danger is that the bolt may slams home and rifle may discharge. As with "all" automatic arms, there is a possibility of a discharge When the bolt slams closed. Unlike other arms, the SKS does not have a firing pin spring. First, make sure the bolt is in the locked back position. This is the position it would be in when the last round is fired. It would be wise to place the saftey in the "safe" position. Second, hold the weapon in your right hand just forward of the magazine. Insert the clip into the stripper clip guide in the bolt. It is located at the top forward edge of the bolt. It is shaped like an upside down "C" when viewed from the top and the muzzle pointed to your left. Push it in until it stops. Third, place the thumb of your right hand on the top most round. It is best to keep your thumb toward the rear of the round. Fourth, push down, briskly with your thumb. The rounds should push down and fill the magazine. With proper practice you'll figure out exactly where the thumb should be. Fifth, remove the clip and pull back and release the charging handle. The bolt should strip the top most round and chamber it. Sixth, shoulder the weapon and fire. Posted on Jan 22 1999, 10:24 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by jon put them load with rounds through the upper part of the bolt and pust down Posted on Jan 23 1999, 04:53 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WTS Lake City 7.62x39 Boxer Brass ctxt by Buddy Twice fired LC boxer primed (large rifle primer) I got these cases from Fort Hood TX back in 1977. This is the ammo the CIA used in Cambodia... has NO HEADSTAMP.... 100 cases $13 postpaid Posted on Jan 22 1999, 06:10 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- watch CNNs report on Kosovo great pictures of chinese type 68s look like SKSs but 20rd AK mag & by Buddy . Posted on Jan 22 1999, 06:05 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How Do I Use Stripper Clips? by Bill Could someone please tell me how to use the stripper clips? I just bought some and can't figure out exactly how to use them. Posted on Jan 22 1999, 04:53 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- response to stripper clips by Tom Well...each clip holds ten rounds of ammo. Pull the charging handle on the bolt back until the action locks open. Looking down at the breech end of the bolt you will see a machined channel that accepts the end of a stipper clip. Insert the clip into this channel and press down on the ammo close to clip until shells slip into the magazine. Keep the safety on while doing all of this. If things don't go well try a jiggling motion while pressing down. Hope this helps... Posted on Jan 22 1999, 07:08 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- what is this? by tall one Hi! I have a couple sks,1 norinco and one that is a CSA,or A CGA or something like that.It seems to be a forged/machined sks imported by glnic la,ca.Does anyone know what the second one is?-thank you Posted on Jan 21 1999, 08:32 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chinese by cadillacguns Its Chinese china sports SKS Posted on Jan 28 1999, 09:24 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Karabiner-S by Gary Several years ago, I bought a laminated wood stock from Classic Arms. It's allegedly from the former E. German armory parts bin and looks sharp. Problem is, it takes a "wraparound" buttplate which, or course, Classic Arms did not have. Can anyone tell me if there is a source for those parts or if some other German part (Mauser buttplate?) might be identical? Thanks, Gary Posted on Jan 20 1999, 09:47 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS Trigger Spring by Arnold in IL Can anyone recommend a competent ghunsmith to install a safety detent spring into a russian trigger pack? We have four Russian units, only one is less the spring. Thanks, Arnold in IL Posted on Jan 19 1999, 11:56 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS-D and the mag well and parts .... by Dave Changing out mags in this gun are a PITA to say the least . Has anyone done some fine tuning to make changing mags easier ? Mine is so tight , unless you do it just right , it won't go in and click . I have had many of these guns and same thing has been a problem ....... Also anyone have a source on parts for the sks-d ? Not all the parts interchange with the regular sks's or so I'm guessing . Is the bolt asssembly (firing ping , extractor , bolt, ect) the same in both guns ? How about the gas system parts ? Trigger assembly? This info is DEEPLY appreciated . Posted on Jan 19 1999, 10:28 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS-D Differences by Gary Aside from the obvious machining that was done to the SKS receiver to make room for the wider AK magazine, the bolt MAY be different too. About six years ago, the only detachable-magazine SKS rifles were the Chinese military-unissued guns that bring such a high price today. My friend bought one and I convinced him to let me take it apart and measure everything. I had this wild idea of machining a fixed-mag SKS to work like his, until I saw the amount of work involved. For a $200 rifle, ain't worth it. Anyway, his rifle's bolt had about 1/8" milled off of the bottom of the bolt (on the forward portion that sits above the magazine. I assume this was done to clear the lips of the AK magazines. It could be duplicated, but it may be easier to find replacement parts through Classic Arms, Keng's, TAPCO and so on. Posted on Jan 20 1999, 09:12 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Problems w/ dragunov stock and 10 rd. fixed mag by rebel Guys, I recently purchased a Dragunov stock and put it on my sks. Just putting it on was no small task b/c it didn't seem to fit it all that tightly and replacing the wooden handguard w/ the plastic one was very difficult. I did get it all together and it feels solid- except for the 10 rd. fixed mag. There seems to be about a half an inch of play between the front end of the hole where the mag fits and the trigger assembly and mag release at the back. Because of this, the mag won't lock in the up position and thus won't hold any rounds. My 30 rd detachable fits fine, but I want the versatility of the 10 rd also. Any thoughts or suggestions? Thanks in advance. Posted on Jan 16 1999, 01:47 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Did you take trigger assembly out? by jt I just replaced my 30 round detachable that came with the SKS with a chinese 20 round fixed mag. I took a while for me to figure out that the trigger assembly has to be removed to get the magazine to seat correctly. jt Posted on Jan 23 1999, 05:12 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- re: Problems w/ dragunov stock and 10 rd. fixed mag by The Confessor It must be the way you're putting it together. Make sure everything goes in the same way it did on your original stock because the stock could NOT create the play you describe. You can literally reassemble the entire gun without the stock even present, because the stock has no part in the structural integrity of the weapon, it is merely the human interface. In fact I read somewhere about SKS's being used in Vietnam that had their stocks destroyed by the environment, and they just reassembled them without the stock and wrapped them in rags to hold them!! Also, SKS are very similar weapons, but not exactly identical. The stock may need some slight fitting to bed properly... Posted on Jan 24 1999, 11:21 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks a million by rebel Thanks for the recommendations. I just fixed it and it was pretty obvious. I had just forgotten to take out the trigger assembly and was thinking that the front of the mag fit up against the stock in the same way that the detachable mag does. It was quite simple, but I needed someone to point it out to me. Posted on Feb 04 1999, 12:49 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stocks for SKS-D by Gary Does anyone know of a source for aftermarket stocks to fit the detachable-magazine SKS? I recall seeing Classic Arms selling them, over a year ago. Are they still available? I'd prefer to get a stock made specifically for it. Gary Posted on Jan 15 1999, 03:53 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- stocks by Survivor Then only place I have ever seen them is on Classic Arms web site, you might try emailng them, but would probably have better luck calling them http://www.classicarms.org/ Posted on Jan 15 1999, 04:28 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary, There is A Source by Richard Gould DPMS (telephone 1-800-578-3767)offered the following two items in their latest catalog to reach me, last summer. - SKS five-shot detachable mag Monte Carlo sporter stock, "one of our most popular items ever, this stock has an expensive look and feel, w/ extended length and a cheek piece, checkered grip, matching handguard, rubber butt pad, and butt plate, black, 33% glass-filled zytel, perfectly designed to fit your five shot detachable mag SKS rifle," inventory number SKS-MC5 ($69.99), and - SKS five-shot detachable mag ultralight sporter stock, "practically legendary! This stock is rugged, durable, and lightweight. Extended length w/ pistol grip and matching handgrip for improved handling, black, 33% glass-filled zytel," inventory number SKS-US5 ($69.99). Look for them online at www.dpmsinc.com. Good luck, fella. Hope you get the set up you desire. Posted on Jan 16 1999, 09:55 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A Cheaper Source of SKS-D Aftermarket Stocks by Richard Gould A pal pointed out that J&G Sales Limited has the same "ultralight" fiberforce stocks as DPMS only for fewer dollars. E-mail jgsales@primenet.com and ask for stock number 7000451 at $34.95. Additionally, J&G offers a Dragunov (SVD)-stype fiberforce stock for SKS rifles using detachable magazines. This item is their stock number 70000172 at $39.95. I imagine this product is manufactured by ATI. Does this help, Gary? Posted on Jan 19 1999, 12:18 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for the lead.... by Survivor I am always looking for the best prices on SKS stuff :-} Posted on Jan 19 1999, 07:43 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS Scout scope mount designs by Nick Here is a drawing of a few designs for a barrel clamp-type scope mount for a scout setup on an SKS. My question is which of these mount designs would be best? Note that the bottom design clamps to both the barrel and the gas tube (GT in the drawing). Screws would hold the halves together and provide clamping force. Making these mounts is no problem, I worked in a machine shop for two years. So which of these designs will work best?? To see the drawing, cut and paste the following address http://homepages.udayton.edu/~jacobsnj/mount.jpg then use the "back" button to come back to the board. Thanks, Nick Posted on Jan 15 1999, 09:00 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- scope mounts by Survivor I think I prefer the bottom one that clamps around the gas tube also, Looks pretty interesting :-) Posted on Jan 15 1999, 08:30 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MMMMMM by Keith I like the first one, for removal of the gas tube without moving the sights. for what its worth Keith Posted on Jan 23 1999, 04:16 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WTB:SKS Fiber Force stock by Survivor You know the one, kind of a dragonov style, I have decided to take the folder off of one of my SKS's and put a Fiber Force one on it, after I find one I will be selling the folder... Posted on Jan 14 1999, 06:03 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS Fiberforce stock by JmB I'll trade my Advanced Technology Inc. stock for your folder Posted on Jan 25 1999, 08:00 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Best Scope Mounting System for SKS by DaMan Ideas? I don't like the receiver cover mounts! Forward (Scout Rifle) type mounts? Suggestions? Thanks! DaMan Posted on Jan 14 1999, 01:43 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by Keith Nor do I, It seems you would have to re-sight after every clean out. So I made my own out of alloy angle mounted on the side of the reciever ,crude but effective. Keith Posted on Jan 21 1999, 02:42 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS Mounts by DaMan Thanks for reply, Keith! I think I'll have to make my own too (or have it made)! I'd like to have a mount that would use the rear sight base without need for drilling or tapping. I would like to use an intermediate eye relief or red dot scope mounted in a forward "scout" position that would allow the normal use of strippers. Any ideas? Regards! DaMan Posted on Jan 22 1999, 02:35 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lazer ? by Keith Mine is a magazine model so I don't have a loading problem. I don't think a sight mount could be made solid enough without some sort of drilling and tapping, But I've been wrong a few times before . Is a barrel mounted lazer and cover mounted scope for magnification a silly idea ? Good luck Keith Posted on Jan 23 1999, 12:00 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- re: silly idea by The Confessor Keith wrote ----------------------------- Mine is a magazine model so I don't have a loading problem. I don't think a sight mount could be made solid enough without some sort of drilling and tapping, But I've been wrong a few times before . Is a barrel mounted lazer and cover mounted scope for magnification a silly idea ? Good luck Keith ----------------------------- I have an SKS removable mag version, and I am also looking at using a laser sight, scope for magnification and a scope mount that allows the use of iron sights. You cover almost ANY situation that you might need to use the rifle in with such a configuration. Overkill?? Gimme a HELL YEA!!! My biggest issue is also the scope mount, and I'm probably going to drill and tap for stability... Posted on Jan 24 1999, 11:12 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Sights for SKS? by DaMan Are there any available? Preferably tritium iron sights, but will consider ANY other alternative ie. red dots, reflex, OEG etc.! Suggestions? Thanks! DaMan Posted on Jan 14 1999, 12:15 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes! by MossburgMan I was really shocked when I saw them. I think I saw them in RPB's new catalog. RPB industries P.O. box 3677 Avondale estates GA 30002 Posted on Feb 01 1999, 05:52 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RPB Industries by DaMan Thanks, Mossburg! I'll check it out! Regards! DaMan Posted on Feb 04 1999, 09:15 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Current SKS prices? by Johnny Anyone know the current prices of a Chinese SKS? How about the Russian? Also, are there fixed mags with 30 round capacity available? Johnny Posted on Jan 12 1999, 03:32 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- maybe this will help by Mike I recently purchased a Chinese paratrooper for my wife for about 200 bucks-new. Pickins are a bit slim up here in Alaska but it seems like the price has been risin pretty steadily anyway. I recently saw a beat used chinese for 140. I haven't a clue about Russian prices. Although I didn't know until today, I found 30 round fixed zytel mags in a catalog from centerfire systems for 20 bucks. Posted on Jan 13 1999, 12:01 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS Pricing by The Confessor IMHO (in my humble opinion): Chinese ------- Paratrooper (16" barrel, no bayonet)$180-$190 (produced only for commercial export, generally the lowest quality SKS produced) Chinese (19" barrel, spike bayonet) $190-$210 (generally good quality) Chinese (19" barrel, blade bayonet) $200-$230 (these are generally the best quality Chinese SKS's) Chinese (Model 84 (or Type D) accepts AK mags) $300 or more (usually good quality) Due to the large number of different plants producing SKS's in China, even the same models may have WIDE variations in quality, so caveat emptor. Russian ------- Russian (Refurb, blade bayonet)$225-$250 Russian (non-refurb, rare) $300+ (guess) Russian refurbs are identified by a square with a diagonal line through it stamped on the stock and/or bolt and/or receiver and/or maybe elsewhere. Russian SKS's tend to be better quality than any of the Chinese models, but even so, the hardening/tempering processes used at the Russian arsenals varied GREATLY so be careful, especially when buying used. My recent purchases include a Russian refurb in excellent condition purchased from a loal dealer for $230, and a Chinese in good condition purchased for $240 (included an extra fiberglass stock, 20 round removable mag, scope mounts and 400 rounds of steel jacketed ammo, and the amount listed includes FFL fees and shipping). The chinese is for sale by the way, found one I like better! Hope this helps a bit, and remember also that this does not cover "war prizes" which are not stamped for import (all SKS's are stamped on the barrel (are some done on the receiver?) with the name of the importer). War prizes command prices which are double to triple thise listed when they come with copies of the capture documents (without copies of those documents, it is illegal to possess the weapon in the US!) Posted on Jan 13 1999, 10:22 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What I would pay! by DaMan All prices are for 95-100% all matching! Russian unissued $325 Russian refurbished $275 Chinese Military $225-250 unissued (fac. #26) Chinese export pinned barrel stamped parts $150-$180. If you have an unissued factory #26 that you want to sell, please contact me! Regards! DaMan Posted on Jan 13 1999, 01:36 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS prices by Bill Bought 4 SKS guns in the last month. Three are Russian. Prices for the Tula Arsenal guns was $200 each. One Russian rebuild with a laminated stock was $150. Came with 200 rnds on stripper clips in a Chinese bandolier and a case! All these guns are in excellent condition. Bought one Norinco SKS with a Fiberforce Dragunov stock and a Leapers scope for $150 also in excellent condition. Go to a gun show and watch the guys bringing stuff in to sell as they walk around. Plenty of SKS guns out there that have been purchased on a whim and never used much at all. Guys get tired of them and get rid of them for decent prices. Lot's sold for $89 when they were first imported so some guys think $150 is a decent price. Kind of silly to see all the expensive prices for these on ebay auction. Bunch of dummies paying high prices for these guns. Saw a milled trigger group on there and the price is already up to $80!! I talked to a guy who bought an entire gun for $100 recently. Posted on Jan 13 1999, 09:37 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Prices by Survivor The best prices I have found are at pawn shops, a couple of months ago I picked up two nice ones for 80 bucks each, not too bad, one still had cosmoline in the gas tube.I would never pay the prices they get on Ebay for them, but all gun stuff seems to go high on Ebay. Hell I would sell my spare trigger group for that much money :-) Posted on Jan 14 1999, 04:14 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Prices are definitely going up by rebel I bought my Norinco about 4 months ago for $175 at a gun show in Virginia. At the last Va. gun show I went to, they were mostly in the $200 range (all Chinese). I went to a show in Memphis a couple of weeks ago and there were no Chinese, but the Russians were around $365 or so. I think that for the Chinese, $200 is about average and $175 is a good price. Anything less and you should buy whatever you can find. The trouble with low prices through Gun List, Shotgun News, and online is that if you're not a dealer, the local gun store will stick you with a pretty good fee to receive it for you. Anyway, I hope this helps. Posted on Jan 16 1999, 01:53 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We learn through experience by Mike I've revised my previous post since attending the local gun show. Much to my dismay, at 200 plus shipping cod etc. I paid about 60 bucks too much for the one I ordered. Here's what I found: New Chinese 159, excellent Russian 195-225 with bayo. Fortunately, I was able to pick-up a stainless Redhawk 44 mag in excellent condition including a leather holster, Pach. grips and custom trigger job (so says my gunsmith pal) for 225. This helped ease my pain. If you have a local show, check it out. Posted on Jan 18 1999, 09:06 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Serious load by simonov jr Are you all aware that Cor-Bon makes a 125 gr jacketed HP tactical load at 2400 fps in 7.62x39? That brings our beloved SKS into the decisive performance envelope. Just a little public service announcement. Posted on Jan 11 1999, 11:44 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- COR-BON QUESTION by DaMan Does anybody know what bullet Cor-Bon uses in this load? Would appreciate more details! Regards! DaMan Posted on Jan 14 1999, 12:10 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- cor-bon? by breezzly oh I am interested in more info on Cor-Bon's ammo. Especially the 7.62 x 39. thanks C.Y.A. Posted on Jan 15 1999, 09:25 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- url by simonov jr http://www.cor-bon.com/ Posted on Jan 15 1999, 10:18 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by MossburgMan There is a lot of catalogs you can find them sold in, but I found the 150gr Soft Points By Cor-Bon are the ticket! Both 125 and 150 are Sierra. Posted on Feb 01 1999, 05:34 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- help! need starting load by Brandon Is there a good starting load for the SKS with 4064 and a 150gr. bullet? Any other suggestions are appreciated, just have this laying around and would like to use it. thanks! Posted on Jan 11 1999, 07:49 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- IMR4064 for 7.62x39 by DaMan Brandon, see if you can trade your excess IMR4064 to one of your shooting buddies. Trade for a faster burning powder. IMR4064 is too slow even for the 150gr. bullet. BTW, what type of 150gr. bullet? Regards! DaMan Posted on Jan 12 1999, 05:41 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- hornady BTSP, thanks thats what Ill do by Brandon . Posted on Jan 12 1999, 05:57 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- General Firearms Discussion Board by Survivor Called The Shooting Range for your non-SKS questions: http://venus.beseen.com/boardroom/n/17541/ Posted on Jan 10 1999, 03:00 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Custom SKS Stocks by Survivor Anybody have a good source for custom stocks for the SKS, I don't like the short factory stock and would like to stick with the wood stock... Posted on Jan 10 1999, 02:14 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by dhawk47 Try a place in CA called Richards Micro-Fit Stocks. They make a ton of different types for a decent price. Phone 818-767-6097 Posted on Mar 16 1999, 11:21 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Are SKS's Still Imported? (nt) by Todd Posted on Jan 10 1999, 12:07 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- no by Survivor They are considered assault weapons by the BATF, so no more imports, but there are plenty of them still available, but the prices keep going up. Posted on Jan 10 1999, 01:53 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fixed 20 rd vs. 30 rd detachable mag by TxRebel Can anyone give some advice about a fixed 20 rd. mag using stripper clips VS a detachable 30 rounder. I'm talking all around use target or combat. Posted on Jan 10 1999, 11:04 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- reply to after market 30RD sks mags--DONT!!! by pig pen Some people think just because an after market product '''sometimes''' works that it would be OK to use them ( aftermarket 30rd sks mags)...The grave yards are full of people like that...If there is an EXCELLENT aftermarket 30rd sks mag that rivels an AK mag please let me know...thanks...pig pen Posted on Jan 24 1999, 11:52 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- They're pretty cheesy by MossburgMan I have A zytel 30rd'er on mine and I get the feeling it'll break any minute. If you feel 20 or 30 bucks is worth trying one out, go for it. I think they're all pretty cheezy though. The picture you posted wasn't a type 56 though. It was a paratrooper model. Which one do you have? The 20" barrel (standard) or 16"? Those take any old steel AK-47 mag. those you can usally find for under ten bucks and they all ways work fine. Posted on Feb 01 1999, 05:29 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- new stocks by DCV anyone know a cheaper source for the zytel stocks, seem like 49.00 is the lowest ive found at classic arms. can u put swivel studs in the zytel and have it hold? Posted on Jan 10 1999, 06:31 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS Auto-Sear by Steelcore Check out the ad on pg. 120 of 1/10/99 SGN. Auto sears for $38.HMMMMMMMMMMMM Posted on Jan 08 1999, 06:29 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS Auto-Sear.....WHY? by DaMan WHY? What's the point? Posted on Jan 08 1999, 07:18 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Auto sear by Survivor If I read the laws correctly, just owning the sear while in possession of an SKS would be considered owning a unregistered machine gun, and besides that full auto is a waste of ammo IMHO, Remember KEEP IT LEGAL...Randy Weavers wife and kid were killed for less and also, remember Waco... Posted on Jan 09 1999, 08:54 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Type 68s Shown on National TV ! by Richard Gould Hey kids, don't do this at home. On the ABC Evening News, today, we were treated to a three second video clip of an Iraqi honor guard, somewhere in Baghdad, shouldering ChiCom Type 68 (parade) assault rifles. One rarely sees these SKS look-alikes, outside of Beijing! What a treat. As you know, these rifles utilize a 15-round detachable box magazine, otherwise appear to be SKS rifles with a slightly different spike bayonet and a funny gas regulator thingie. Yes, they're select fire. The fire control device is a switch located on the stock down by the trigger. The weapons shown by ABC had chromed barrels and gas tubes. Parade rifles??? The last one of these I "saw" was in the hands of a Zapatista. Evidently, the Chinese are selling. Should we put together a gang order and import several cases? Let me check with my contacts at the Democratic National Committee and get the requisite import licenses and paper work, first, and we'll take it from there. Posted on Jan 07 1999, 09:58 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WTS:: SKS Scope Mount $ 12.95 ppd. by Aug See at; http://www.freeyellow.com/members5/indiancove/sks.jpg Posted on Jan 07 1999, 09:38 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have over 500 units available........ctxt.... by Aug Will sell in quanity, quanity discounts. Posted on Jan 07 1999, 09:40 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Williams-brand SKS Receiver Sight by Richard Gould I'd like to read what folks thing of this set up. Anyone? For those out-of-the-loop, the Williams SKS Receiver Sight is a target style rear aperature that a gun smith tacks onto your carbine's frame just forward of the take down latch. They've been on the market for several years now yet I've never seen or heard-tell of one actually going onto a rifle. Posted on Jan 07 1999, 03:32 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Whatever by Steelcore Its supposed to be a drop in replacement for the stock rear site.Heard it was made of plastic????? Posted on Jan 08 1999, 06:27 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Williams Adjustable Rear Sights for SKS by DaMan Rich, the Williams sights I'm familiar with replace the rear sight leaf and are held in place by a hardened steel roll pin. Available in open or aperture. About $25 for aperture model...$3 less for the open sight. Steel, matte blue. An aperture model also available for the AK. The small .150" target aperture can be removed so you have a 3/8" opening for quicker aquisition. Never tried them but they're available from Brownell's. Regards! DaMan Posted on Jan 09 1999, 05:29 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My Screwup - I Meant "Lyman-66 SKS Receiver Sight" !!! (ctxt) by Richard Gould Here's what the ad copy for the Lyman reads: "Lyman's new 66 SKS Receiver sight will allow thousands of SKS owners to get the most out of their rifles. The new sight will fit both Russian and Chinese manufactured rifles. Once installed it will increase the sight radius to 28 inches (from 19 inches). This alone will increase inherent accuracy as it reduces aim error by 32%. Comes w/ both large quick aiming and small target shooting apertures. Product number 3662236, $59.95." The above is from Lyman's 1997 catalog. Looks to me like a drill 'n tap number. And you gotta lose your rear leaf sight for this set up to work. Anybody? Posted on Jan 09 1999, 08:44 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No experience with this sight, but have on-line URL! by DaMan http://www.lymanproducts.com/product4.html Regards! DaMan Posted on Jan 16 1999, 07:19 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Great Forum by c I have enjoyed reading your messages. Back in 92-95 I had an FFl, and sold alot of SKS rifles at various shows here in Indiana. Back then I could get SKS rifles for $49.00 Now before deer season in my home state (MICHIGAN) I was looking for a Paratrooper, I thought would be great in the woods, and walked past a dealer with pre-ban milled paratroopers with bayo, sling, box, for $175.00. Wished I hadn't . Anyway I have a SKS-D Mag feeder, two chinese with serial numbers identical one 2200590xx, and the other 2000590xx, only two million guns apart! And finally my beater with the bluing worn off, If only it could talk !!! Posted on Jan 05 1999, 05:00 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Second Amendment Activist Homepage... by Joe Please come join the fun and learn how to defend the right of the "people" to keep and bear arms. Share your ideas on topics from gun issues, Y2K, to politics! Joe BTW: I have the best SKS; a Russian model with a laminated stock. What do you think? Posted on Jan 03 1999, 07:10 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The address... by Joe members.aol.com/nralife/politics Posted on Jan 03 1999, 09:22 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS Safety device? by J.A. When my friends and I go hunting we use the bayonet. Instead of leaning gun aganist trees we stick the bayonet in the ground. Sticking the bayonet 1/2 its lenght in ground its rock solid and wont fall over. this comes in handy when crossing fences,wizzing, or just hanging out in camp.Those chinese really used their heads thinking up this safety feature. Posted on Jan 02 1999, 04:32 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That's not what it's for! by DaMan J.A., you're abusin' your quipment! That is not what the kayuneeform bannet is for! It's meant to be used as a skewer for roastin' hotdogs, marshmallows, small rodents, armadillas and suchlike! Now tell me, are you going to roast a nice fat juicy rat after you got that there bannet all filthy? Come on, son, use your haid! Regards! DaMan aka. Billy Bob Bodine Posted on Jan 02 1999, 11:40 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Find more forums on Firearms Create your own forum at Netbabbler SKS Discussion Forum SKS Discussion Forum This board is dedicated to the discussion of the SKS rifle, feel free to ask all your questions here. I have decided to allow buying and selling of SKS (only)parts and accessories on this board. Send Comments and Questions to Survivor Survival Buy and Sell Forum General Gun Talk AK Discussion Forum -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'll ask again! by Mike I love my new sks but it seems that the trigger pull is excessive. Does anybody out there know if and/or how this can be adjusted? Thanks Posted on Dec 31 1998, 12:16 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by Keith OK Yes it can be done. My gunsmith did it for $20.00 I'm not sure What he did as I'm a bit allergic to pulling trigger groups apart since it took me half a day to put my .22 BSA target rifle back together ,more like a clock than a rifle! (If it isn't broke dont fix it, Where have I Heard THAT before!) Any way it was well worthwhile (he descrbed the original as pulling a sack of coal up a flight of steps and I agree!) Good luck and Happy New Year Keith Posted on Dec 31 1998, 05:13 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post the Name/Telephone of That Gunsmith! (ctx) by Richard Gould Keith, do us the favor, will ya? I've been able to take down a milled trigger group, slick all contacting parts and reassemble the blasted thing, w/o undo trouble tho the process sure ain't for the fainthearted. Perhaps Bushnell's ActionMagic would work wonders for slicking the sear only this does nothing to remove excessively long creep. Posted on Jan 01 1999, 11:17 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It may or may not help? by Keith But here it is anyway R. Woods 22B Brisbane St Christchurch New Zealand I would recomend his work but if you are in a hurry it pays to tell him first. Sorry if its not much help I'll pull mine down and have a look, (you'll probably hear the shouting from your place :) Have a good one.........Keith Posted on Jan 01 1999, 01:05 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks, Keith, You're a Prince! (ntxt) by Richard Gould xxx Posted on Jan 04 1999, 10:39 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RE:SKS trigger pull by CUB My gunsmith can do it right for $80.00. He said you have to work on the springs, ether swaping them out or softening them. If you would like it done e-mail me. Posted on Dec 31 1998, 11:39 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks! by Mike Thanks to both you guys for the info. I appreciate the response. I was hoping for a "do-it-yourself" but it looks like it's off to Bob's Gun Repair (my local "I need this or that screw" guy). He'd be pretty offended if I sent out. Posted on Dec 31 1998, 06:45 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Trigger pull / Gunsmith by Gary Folks: Try contacting Connecticut Precision Chambering (online at www.ct-precision.com), they will work on SKS triggers. Only the standard SKS trigger groups, though - no detachable magazine versions (drat). Gary Posted on Jan 13 1999, 03:56 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Broken Shell extractor by Kougar I have not yet had the need to use the broken shell extractor provided with the weapon. I would appreciate a procedure for this; also the cleaning rod is very loose, I have it ty-rapped, Any ideas here? thanks Posted on Dec 30 1998, 07:50 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by Virgil Caine Well, I've never used the shell extractor either, so not much help there. If your SKS does not have a bayonet, the loose fit of your cleaning rod is easily explained, the bayonet holds the rod in place. Your present solution is about the best you can hope for, short of removing it or duct tapping it. Posted on Dec 30 1998, 03:04 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cleaning Rod by asdf As the other post explained, the bayonet was the thing that placed upward pressure on the rod to force the tip into the totch on the front sight. Do you still have the bayonet mount on the rifle? What you might be able to do is use a tie-wrap wrap and pass it through the hole in the bayonet mount, beneath the cleaning rod, then underneath the mount. If the tie is sufficient size it should force the cleaning rod upward to engage the notch. Whew, that was a bad explanation. Basically, the idea is to fill the hole in the bayonet mount (with the tie-wrap or something else) and provide enough upward pressure to have the rod held (trapped is more like it)in place by the lug on the front sight. This of course assumes that you have the bayonet mount on your rifle. Of course, if somebody removed the baynet mount, you might be able to glue (cement) a piece of automotive vacuum hose into the stock at the rear most position where the tip of the rod rests. It might keep the rod from ejecting when the rifle is fired. I have never personally tried this, but it seemed like what I would try. You might have to play with the length of the tubing before permanently glueing it in. Hope this helps. asdf Posted on Dec 30 1998, 04:11 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS Finds New Home by TxRebel Well I talked my brother-in-law into selling me his SKS, its Chinese with a bayonet and 10 round fixed mag, paid $200. He also had a couple of 30 round detachables but I don't think these are legal with the bayonet are they? Does anyone know if it would be legal to use a 20 round fixed mag with the bayonet if the 30 rounders are illegal? Heck I can't hardly keep up with all the laws they keep throwing at us, and half of them don't seem to make sense. I'm going to order about $200 worth of parts in a few days. I'll probably get a 20 rnd fixed mag and some stripper clips. I would still like to get one more SKS, esp. if I can do it without big brother tagging along. Posted on Dec 29 1998, 04:08 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS finds a new home by Mark W. I seem to remeber reading that attaching a bayonet to any Chinese SKS is illeagal. It's ok on Russian guns, go figure. Posted on Dec 29 1998, 06:19 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We Can't Have All Those Mass Murders By Bayonet! by TxRebel My brother-in-law bought the gun about a year ago from a dealer and it had the bayonet on it then. The government has everything so screwed up no one knows what the heck is going on, of course it's debatable whether the government knows either. Posted on Dec 29 1998, 07:31 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yup weird laws by Virgil Caine It is a fer sure "no no" to have a bayo attached to a Chinese SKS. As for detachable mags, I don't know, maybe someone else can provide a definative answer. Posted on Dec 29 1998, 11:19 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Where Does It Say? by TxRebel Can someone tell me where in the code it says it is illegal to have a bayonet on the chinese gun? I talked to someone who said that he called the ATF after buying a Chinese gun with a bayo and 30 rnd mag and that the the ATF said it was ok. At least this is what he said but I don't really know this guy. Definate proof would be helpful as I know that there are many of these guns out there with bayo's. If it is trully illegal do you have to cut the bayo lug or mount off the barrel? And if so do I just send the bill marked President, Whitehouse, Washington DC!!! Posted on Dec 30 1998, 04:57 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Some references... by Cormac Mac Art Take a look at http://www.subguns.com/laws/semi_auto.faq It may clear up some confusion, likely cause more. Since bayonets aren't ''readily adaptable to any sporting purpose'' you can't import a Chinese SKS with a bayonet on it. (They're considered sporting guns, not military) It's also illegal to assemble a rifle identical to one that's non-importable. So, sticking a bayonet on a Chinese SKS is illegal. It is legal to import a Russian SKS with a bayonet, since they're considered to be "curio & relic". The bayonet is "original military configuration", and legal. At least that's what I read the situation as. Posted on Dec 30 1998, 05:16 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am who I am by TxRebel I guess this means that my government just turned me into a mean nasty felon in one fatal swoop. I sure hope the members of my church don't find out they have a horrible lunatic amoung them. I suppose now I should stop paying taxes and go on welfare! Posted on Dec 30 1998, 05:38 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Legal For Now by TxRebel Just wanted to let everyone know that I removed the bayonet so I suppose I am now legal, at least until the next round of new laws. I have decided to use the bayonet as a toothpick and go down to the mall and buy me a 3 foot long razor sharp samari sword. Posted on Dec 30 1998, 06:46 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- read the fine print by rick it is only illegal to assemble a gun that is banned from importation, if you assemble it out of IMPORTED parts. you can build all you want as long as the parts, (especially the reciever)are made in the U.S. furthermore, if the gun was imported prior to 1989,AND YOU CAN PROVIDE PROOF OF THIS, you can leave the bayonet on it. there is a long list of things that make a rifle into an "assault weapon", according to the feds. pistol grips, detachable mags, flash suppressors, bayonets, silencers, etc...if your sks has more than 2 of these attributes, it is considered an "assault weapon". i believe that the laws are intentionaly kept vague so that the feds can interpret them however they see fit. having owed sks', i did as much research on the subject as possible, talked to law enforcment folks, gun shop owners, and anyone else who claimed knowledge on the subject, and this info seems to be the consensus on what the laws say,(for now anyway). good luck, enjoy your sks, its a great gun. Posted on Dec 30 1998, 08:09 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'd rather have a bipod by TxRebel Yeah I see what you mean. I don't really see that big a purpose for the bayo anyway unless you are in a war and even then I don't know if it would ever be put to much use. I'd rather have a bipod anyway. Posted on Dec 30 1998, 10:41 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The bayonet is a nifty monopod by asdf Just unlatch it and stick it in the dirt. Instant monopod. Tough to break too. asdf Posted on Dec 30 1998, 04:16 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Clould I put a detachable mag on it by bob I know I can't put an imported mag on my sks with a bayonet lug. What about a non imported mag made buy usa magazines. Posted on Jan 30 1999, 09:18 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by New Owner A Russian SKS is a "Curio and relic" that's why you can have the bayo on it. Posted on Jan 07 1999, 03:21 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The crime isn't having it by bob the crime isn't having the gun in an illegal configuration it is assembleing it. At the BATF can do to you is confinscate you weapon and charge the person who assembled it with a felony, unless of corse it was imported before 1989. Posted on Jan 30 1999, 09:14 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Sights for SKS? by DaMan Suggestions for night sights for the SKS? Tritium, red dot, other? I don't want to pay more than $200. Thanks! DaMan Posted on Dec 29 1998, 04:02 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- oeg by Mak-daddy Armson oeg is the way to go, sold here by trijicon. they have a web sight. it is day or night so not vulnerable to battery/circuit problems like normal red-dot sight. it is mil-spec per s. african army. might pop your $200 budget though. Posted on Jan 02 1999, 07:07 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Sights for SKS by DaMan Thanks, on OEG info! I was hoping to find someone who could supply the metalic sights with Tritium inserts. Neither Trijicon nor Mepro make them for the SKS. A company called "Tooltech" said they could take the original sights and install Tritium inserts, but they didn't say what they'd charge! If I go with the OEG or a red dot scope, does anyone know of a good solid mounting system that won't interfere with the loading of strippers? Thanks again! DaMan Posted on Jan 03 1999, 02:20 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- New Product For SKS Nighttime Shooting by Richard Gould DaMan, Williams Gun Sight Company (1-800-530-9028 or www.williamsgunsight.com) offers a $20.00 replacement front sight post for Simonov carbines that belongs in their "Fire Sight" series. The hyped advertisement text supporting this aftermarket device reads as follows: It's Fiber Optic...It gathers light...And it stands out beautifully on your SKS Rifle when sighting down the barrel. There's no gunsmithing required, so installation is as easy as removing the existing front sight post and inserting your SKS Fire Sight. It's great when used in combination with the Williams SKS fully adjustable rear sight (with blade or peep sight). DaMan, this is product number 60214 = SKS Fire Sight Bead. Posted on Jan 04 1999, 12:54 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Sights by DaMan Thanks, Rich! I've seen the Williams adjustable rear sights and like the idea. The Fire Sight beads are not exactly what I'm looking for. These probably help when there is sufficient natural light (conditions near dusk or dawn) but I'm looking for low-light or no-light capable sights. I hope there is an economical and practical solution! Regards! DaMan Posted on Jan 05 1999, 10:47 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, now that I think about it... by simonov jr Yeah, I did see a clip-on night sight about 7 yrs ago for the AK series. It was not tritium but rather glowed until it ran out of luminescence ala the old glow in the dark frisbees. It was E. German as I recall. Posted on Jan 11 1999, 11:37 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- East German Karabiner-S Clip-Ons by Richard Gould I recall seeing Paragon moving these SKS night sight sets many years ago. One can't imagine the AK sets working due to the vastly different front sight assembly designs of these two rifles. The search goes on, DaMan. We'll get you set up someday, and on a budget ! Posted on Jan 12 1999, 12:39 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS Night Sights by DaMan Thanks Rich and Simonov! I remember seeing those East German clip-ons. Haven't seen them offered recently. I haven't given up! I'll check back or maybe repost the question. Thanks again! DaMan Posted on Jan 14 1999, 10:12 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Still Looking... by TxRebel Well I didn't make it to the gun show last weekend so I'm still looking for an SKS. I found an SKS Paratrooper for $289 at a pawn shop, what type of SKS is this? The price seems like it might be a little high. Can anyone tell me a little about the SKS Paratrooper? Posted on Dec 29 1998, 05:30 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Helpful webpages by Newcomer Sorry, I can't. But... There are a couple of places which might help you identify SKS rifles Try these www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/4653/og.htm www.valuu.net/users/bailout/default.htm www.sksman.com/ Look thru them, I found them very helpful Just my 2 cents Posted on Dec 29 1998, 08:07 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS Paratroopers by Richard Gould These rifles were standard P.L.A. carbines that passed thru Chinese arsenals for a chop job on their barrels (four inches were cut). The idea was to appeal to American civilian tastes by offering something different. No "Paratroopers" were issued as such to Chinese combat formations as far as we know. Results: mixed. These carbines have lost about 60 fps in muzzle velocity and their rear sights may be a tad off because of this. OTOH, the shortened barrels seem to have lost some of their original flex which results in a slight increase in accuracy. The price quoted at the local pawn shop is about twice the national rate. You can certainly do better at a shop altho many rifles there are into the low $200 range. Don't forget, fella, should you buy from the pawner or any other licensed F.F.L. holder, you'll have to rat on yourself to the F.B.I.'s Criminal Division which ain't smart. Posted on Dec 29 1998, 10:20 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check my page www.bigbeararms.com (ntxt) by CUB m Posted on Dec 29 1998, 10:28 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Para by DaMan TxRebel, Rich has given you some good advice! Keep looking 'cause they're asking too much. Remember also the "Paras" were chopped down from both military carbines (milled parts/screw barrels) and export carbines (stamped parts/pinned barrels). I would go $225 for a milled and screwed Para in excellent condition but it would have to be a Factory 26 all matching pre-ban! Check around some more. As Rich says...purchase from private owner is always preferred! Regards! DaMan Posted on Dec 29 1998, 10:57 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS para by Charles I bought 4 in 1997 and didn't keep them long enough to have them appreciate. Paid $135 ea. Shot one and never could hit much. Zero seemed to wander. Cute, but not useful. Charles Posted on Feb 10 1999, 03:49 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nothing Quite Like It by Robert I have hunted and shot guns since I was 8 years old (I'm 33 now). I have killed 27 deer with guns ranging from .243, .270, 30-06, 30-30, 7mm mag. and .300 win mag. I have shot .12 gauge defenders, .16, .20 and .410 ga. shotguns, bolt action, pumps and auto's. But there is nothing quite like the rattling off of 30 rounds of .30 cal ammo from the SKS. Well except maybe rattling off 100 rounds of .50 cal ammo from a fully auto machine gun. Posted on Dec 28 1998, 08:28 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Full auto .50 by asdf Haven't had the opportunity to shoot a full auto 50, semi was fun though. At a buck+ a shot, that can get a little expensive :) asdf Posted on Dec 28 1998, 07:44 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Harris Bi pod by Gumbo Has anyone modified the stock / wooden with a quick detach swival for a Harris Bi Pod??? I'm worries the stock won't take the preasure of the stud through the thin spot in the wood. OR am i just being paranoid? LOL I know I'll loose the cleaning rod. Good Luck to us All Gumbo Posted on Dec 28 1998, 08:27 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Inside the butt by Jack Inside the butt of my SKS there is what looks like maybe some kind of piston and a spring, what is this? I think some SKS's have a cleaning kit in them but this sure does'nt look like a cleaning kit. Posted on Dec 27 1998, 07:01 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It is a... by Baal-pteor It's a Chinese Finger Trap. Seriously, a little cleaning kit does fit in there. The spring pops it out when it is opened. Posted on Dec 27 1998, 07:14 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes, it is a cleaning kit.... by asdf You can remove the buttplate to see what is inside. You'll also get a better idea of how the "trap door" is supposed to work. Don't worry about the cleaning kit popping out too far, the spring isn't very strong. asdf Posted on Dec 27 1998, 11:23 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh, Excuse Me by Jack I could not tell what it was for all the grease. The cleaning kit is lubed better than the rest of the gun. Posted on Dec 28 1998, 06:36 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Neat little kit! by asdf LOL. These little kits are pretty neat. Mine has a sight adjusting tool, screwdriver, cleaning jag, and a thing that looks like a punch (probably used to clean the gas hole?). I also read somewhere that some of the kits, the ones that have hooks on the lid, are used for blank adapters. I dont know tho', I've never used it. asdf Posted on Dec 28 1998, 07:38 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes it is by Jack After I got all the grease off (it was packed like wheel bearings). It appears well used which I will take as a good sign. All mine has in it is the punch or gas hole tool, jag and brush. The brush is so worn I think it is useless. I guess I might buy a new cleaning kit. Posted on Dec 29 1998, 11:01 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- helpful hints..... by brian the punch can be used not only to clean the gas port, although there is a seperate tool made, not included with the kit for this purpose. it can also be used, with a small hammer, to pop off the trigger assembly, and manipulate the latches for the takedown process. here's a cool cleaning tip. insert your cleaning rod through the hole in the top half of the cleaning kit, and then thread on your brush. put whatever bore solvent you use on the brush/barrel, then clamp the cleaning kit lid over the muzzle. it will hook neatly over the front sight. then insert the "punch" through the slot in the cleaning rod and have at it. nice, comfortable controlled strokes, it's quick and easy! Posted on Dec 29 1998, 02:36 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mags for the SKS - MAK-90 $297 by Billy The Hick Why do some people seem to absolutely hate detachable mags for the SKS? Also I have a chance to buy a brand new MAK-90 for $297, I know this is a good price but is it a must buy price? Posted on Dec 27 1998, 04:49 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS to use AK mags by sandfantom Does anyone know of a kit to convert a reg SKS w/10 rd. mag to accept 30 rd AK mags. I bought a production model SKS carbine that does so. I thought that I had seen such a kit in Shotgun news several years ago. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Posted on Dec 27 1998, 10:48 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AK MAG by J.A. The ad in shotgun news was for a kit that took a special 30 round mag not a ak mag. Freind had one was a peice of plastic crap. Used it once it broke and throwed it away. Posted on Dec 27 1998, 03:03 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Basically, AK mags don't fit SKS rifles...ctx by asdf The magazine bodyis wider than the opening in the receiver. Hence, the special mags. SKS rifles that have the AK mags. have had their receivers modified (at the factory) by widening the opening and a new latch mechanism installed. asdf Posted on Dec 27 1998, 11:27 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS Bolt Too Wide For AK Banana Lips Anywho (ntxt) by Richard Gould xxx Posted on Jan 04 1999, 10:44 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AK mags by Gary There was a company called Nero Enterprises that sold SKS accessories; it was the real early stuff when people were just beginning to notice the rifle. The very early military-spec models with detachable magazines had already dried up, so all that was coming in was pre-ban Chinese arsenal stuff, not even an import mark was on them. A few people had the detachable-mag model and everyone else wanted to make the modification. Nero found somebody to make this plastic magazine and related parts, but it really was pretty flimsy. I foolishly bought one, but took it off and put a 20-round fixed magazine in its place. I've still got it, so if you really gotta have one I'll make you a fair price. I believe I've even kept the instruction sheet. FWIW, this magazine/conversion was probably sourced through Cobray, since it turned up later in their Shotgun News ads. Let me know if you're interested and I'll start gathering the pieces. Oh, I recall writing to some place out in the southwest about SKS services, it seems they used to machine standard SKS receivers to accept the AK "stick" magazines and would even notch the stock to clear the AK drum magazines. I have no idea if such a place is still around (or if they can legally do this to begin with). Seems that if you have proof of pre-ban purchase, they could do it. I have a folder full of old (1988-89) SKS stuff in it, including magazine articles of that time. If I find it, I'll post it here. BTW, I did eventually get a "D" model, like the one pictured on this message board. It's okay, but not nearly as nicely finished as the early version of the detachable magazine SKS that my friend owns. Gary Posted on Jan 15 1999, 03:49 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Interesting Site by DaMan Check out http://www.iea.com/~fgrig/gun.html Lots of info on 7.62 x 39 (reloading, accuracy, country codes, etc.) and it's use in the SKS! Try it, you'll like it! Regards! DaMan Posted on Dec 26 1998, 03:32 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- URL Correction!!!!!!!! by DaMan http://www.iea.com/~fgrig/gun/gun.html Sorry for confusion! Posted on Dec 27 1998, 09:14 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How Much? by TxRebel I am going to a gun show this weekend, what should I expect to pay for an SKS in new and used condition? Posted on Dec 22 1998, 06:02 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No more than 250 by Aaron I wouldn't go any higher than 250 unless it was something really nice. By nice i mean a folding stock. muzzle break and a scope. Posted on Dec 23 1998, 07:58 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How Much? by Bill Hatcher I attended a show here in the Atlanta area last weekend and purchased two SKS rifles. One is a stock 1952 Russian SKS in excellent shape. Price was $200. As I was walking around I saw a young lady with a Chinese Norinco SKS with a Leapers scope and a Fiberforce stock. Excellent condition. Bought it for $150!! NO tax and NO background check. THAT'S the way to buy guns!! Now I am looking for a folding stock paratrooper setup. I can just see it on a sling hanging under my arm right now! Posted on Dec 23 1998, 02:42 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- i have one by s.a.man if you dont find what you want at the gun show, let me know. i have couple of sks's for sale. they are chinese, and shoot great. i will always have at least one sks. where in texas are you? Posted on Dec 23 1998, 10:09 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by TxRebel S.A. Man I live about 80 miles due north of Dallas. Posted on Dec 29 1998, 05:32 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How Much? by TxRebel I am going to a gun show this weekend, what should I expect to pay for an SKS in new and used condition? Posted on Dec 22 1998, 04:22 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Best folding stock for SKS??? by Bill Hatcher Toying with the idea of a folding stock on a SKS paratrooper. Which stock do you guys think is of good enough quality?? Anybody have a SKS that this has been done to?? Pros/cons??? Posted on Dec 22 1998, 01:46 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS Trigger by MIKEY BILLY I recently purchased a sks paratrooper and am delighted with the weapon with the exception of an extremely long trigger pull. Can this be adjusted? Also, I purchased a scope/mount combo from centerfire systems for under 20 bucks and the darn thing not only looks good, it has consistently shot 2-3 inch groups at about 75 yards. I was wary of these due to alot of negative comments about cover wobble and 12-15 inch groups. The set screws on my mount lock the cover on to the receiver and this really seems to do the trick. Posted on Dec 22 1998, 09:08 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Accuracy standards? by DJ I don't mean to sound negative but both of my SKS's will shoot better than that with open sights. Why would you want a scope that couldn't do any better than that? When I did decide to try a scope on one of them it shot under 3" at 100 yds and I still took it off. The only optics that I will consider now for an SKS would be NV equipment. DJ Posted on Jan 01 1999, 08:00 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Accuracy standards? by DJ I don't mean to sound negative but both of my SKS's will shoot better than that with open sights. Why would you want a scope that couldn't do any better than that? When I did decide to try a scope on one of them it shot under 3" at 100 yds and I still took it off. The only optics that I will consider now for an SKS would be NV equipment. DJ Posted on Jan 01 1999, 09:34 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I hear ya by Mike I think you're certainly right about the accuracy. If it were for me I would go with open sights. Unfortunately, it is for my wife who can't seem to hit anything without the scope. I had been told previously that the scopes might give me a 12 inch group at 50 yards if I was lucky. The combo I was talking about not only did much better than that, it allowed my wife to very easily nail a kill zone on any lynx or wolf that might invade the sheep/rabbit/chicken zone. For 20 bucks I'm happy as a clam Posted on Jan 08 1999, 11:16 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS Battle Ready? by Bill How would everyone feel about taking the SKS into battle? Posted on Dec 21 1998, 04:53 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Battle weapon by Survivor The SKS is a proven battle weapon, rugged,reliable, fairly accurate, and easy to disassemble and clean, I personally would use one as a battle weapon (with alot of stripper clips) Posted on Dec 21 1998, 05:39 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- hell yeah! by brian no problem! Posted on Dec 22 1998, 05:34 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I would take my SKS! by Aaron I would take mine in a second. They work alot smoother than most AK-47. But i would rather take my AR-15! Posted on Dec 22 1998, 06:51 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS by Survivor It would be a toss up for me...the SKS is alot more rugged and durable than the AR is, I suppose it would depend on the scenario, if there was alot of dirt and grime...the SKS would be my choice, for urban fighting probably the AR. Posted on Dec 22 1998, 05:45 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- m1943 penetration by Mark I think the SKS's .30 cal round offers better penetration against cover than the m193 round usually used in AR-15's. Since urban fighting would probably involve trees, cinderblocks, and auto bodies as cover, SKS might still give advantage over AR. Of course, an M1-A wouldn't hurt either. Posted on Dec 25 1998, 04:44 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not first choice but ... by Virgil Caine I would prefer an FAL or other semi in .308. Second choices would be AK47/74 or M16, select fire versions. Third round pick would be SKS w/plenty of stripper clips. Posted on Dec 27 1998, 07:55 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Reduced Load by DaMan I've got a fun recipe for you reloaders out there! It consists of the following: 1. fired boxer case 2. standard large rifle primer 3. one pellet #0 Buckshot(.320") 4. 3.5 - 4.0 grains Unique or Hodgdon's Universal powder Procedure: 1. remove the primer without resizing 2. prime 3. add powder 4. press in projectile with hand pressure applied with a "precision" length of 2" x 4". 850-950fps. Extremely low noise. Minute of beer can accuracy or better at 25 meters. I like to use these with my rimfire "dueling tree" target. Single shot proposition only. Next project? A lead bullet load that will cycle action that I can use with my "magnum dueling tree" at 100 meters! Questions/Suggestions? DaMan Posted on Dec 21 1998, 09:53 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Accuracy Expectations by DaMan What kind of accuracy do you get from your SKS? Please be realistic! Type of SKS, sights, number of shots in groups, range, and ammo used please! DaMan Posted on Dec 20 1998, 01:22 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- accuracy....... by brian i've got a norinco that i outfitted with a leapers 3x-9x model scp-394m scope, and a good bipod. i get sixty percent in the ten ring at 100 yards, the other four in the nine. i've used russian tcw, and 97-3 hp, like the 97-3 better. also have some winchester and some norinco fmj i have yet to try. heard the norinco is ****ty, though. just wanted to find out for myself. just net-orderer 1000 rounds off surplus russian fmj for 109.95. will advise later. hope this helps. Posted on Dec 20 1998, 04:35 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- One Example by Richard Gould Late November on the Blue Ridge of Virginia, mid afternoon, good visibility, failing light, standard military Type 56 (SKS) Chinese carbine, issue sights, ten rounds of ChiCom military surplus ball (corrosive), poor eyesight, no optics. At 350 yards, a solitary buck looms into view between trees on my farm. He's at about a fifteen degree declension. I roll into a prone shooting position, dial the rear sight back to battle, hold slightly low - compensating for the relatively high angle of the shot - and squeeze. The boy went down. I know the range as I paced it off. Posted on Dec 20 1998, 07:02 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shame on you by JmB Shame on you for taking such a risky shot with FMJ ammo Posted on Jan 25 1999, 08:09 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- inches...... by brian da man, i use official 100yd. smallbore targets. the nine ring measures 4" in diameter, and i can consistently put all 10 rounds well within it. most of my groups are spaced more vertically than horizontally, and i think recoil can probably account for most of that, even though i use a good muzzle break. these are from a sitting position with a bipod. typical groupings measure less than 2" wide and 3" tall in and surrounding the bull. hope this helps! Posted on Dec 21 1998, 05:36 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Accuracy by DaMan Thanks Rich and Brian! I've had a couple different SKSs. Some of them shot only OK (3-4MOA). The one I have now shoots exceptionally well with quality ammo (1 1/2 - 2 MOA)! I've had three Mini-14s and any one of my SKSs could outshoot them! I'm not knocking the Ruger, but the SKS provides the most bang for the buck! Regards! DaMan Posted on Dec 21 1998, 09:23 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MC-5D? by Mark Does anyone have any info on the Norinco MC-5D? Posted on Dec 19 1998, 08:35 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Best Rapid Reload Technique with SKS by DaMan Looking for best method using strippers! Thanks! DaMan Posted on Dec 14 1998, 06:29 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- test by Survivor damn netbabbler.... Posted on Dec 14 1998, 03:40 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It works some of the time! by DaMan Does funny stuff from time to time! Regards! DaMan Posted on Dec 14 1998, 05:39 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- does anyone make a metal (not a plastic) follower for 30rd. mags? by brian i have a 30 rd. usa mags for my norinco sks- which has always jammed since the first time i used it. the plastic magazine follower wears noticeably where it contacts the hold open latch, and will not engage it. i have used predominantly russion surplus hollowpoints. when shooting with my factory 10 rd. everything is smooth as silk - i.e. no troubles. i even tried welding up a stainless steel version of the follower with a tapered rod of tool steel welded to the follower - to eliminate the wear on the contact points - however, my metal working skills are as yet somewhat lacking. i emailed usa mags about the problem, but have heard nothing in response. i then removed the magazine spring and reinserted it "backwards" and it seems to hold the follower a little better, - appears to be able to push the round up and in now - but since the follower is plastic, and is also worn, i am not sure if this will do the trick. the follower still refuses to engage the hold open latch. i have not been to the range yet to see first hand. looking for advice or any suggestions... and i know there is a general opinion out there that extended cap. mags are either impractical, or just plain suck, but this is america, it is my gun, it is my choice, and i wish to employ one and don't need my ear beaten in because of it. i want to make it work, not scrap the idea. if anyone knows of a "trick" or has an idea that would help, i would really appreciate it. thanks! Posted on Dec 13 1998, 03:05 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Great Shooting Software but NEEDS SKS inclusion! by Russ NOW HERE'S THE REAL DEAL: I just bought and tried Just bought and for hours played "REMINGTON TOP SHOT Interactive Target Shooting" which is everything that Guns & Ammo Ultimate Target Limpness is NOT. It includes an excellent primer on SAFETY. The events are fun and there are even politically-incorrect guns included. Be sure to use SIMULATION mode and hit SPACEBAR to go to actual gun-sight view. Especially good in the Indoor Range. use "B" to hold-breath when aiming. EVERY shooter with a computer (works on Mac, too) should get this "game"! It loads and PLAYS without a hitch. EVERY software product should be this great. But the game needs the SKS to be included! Contact ACTIVISION with suggested improvements, but this is a $20 purchase you will NOT regret! :) Posted on Dec 13 1998, 02:02 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- non-SKS...But very Important..PLEASE READ... by Survivor This was taken from the Varmint Board and posted By John Cambell you can read the original at: http://varmint.iperweb.com/bbs/messages/6075.html I am about to break a rule I made when I started my gun shope 26 yrs. ago. I'm going to build one more gun this year then normal.We have built the same number of guns each year without execption. But now I feel I have to do it and I think you will see why as you read this post. I am doing this to raise money for a family who has hit hard times and I do mean hard times the father and mother were in an auto accident in jan. of this year,it left the father with brain damage and the mother with 11 bones broken in 23 places, I met the father when I was a kid and have seen him build a pretty good painting buisness up from scratch.but he lost it all his wife works for manpower from home. What I'am trying to say is they were hard working people who need help. I asked one of their three girls what she was getting form Santa and she said"I 'm not asking god for nothing because when we prayed for daddy I said I wouldn't ask for nothing else ever" now she is 8 and her 6 and 5 year old sisters just nodded In the last six days I have been to their house each day and talked to the mother she needs help with cloths and repairs to there trailer ,my guys in the shop have done the repairs and we have got them some presents the mother wants nothing for herself or husband just the girls. Well heres my deal to you. I will build one extra gun this year for the highest bidder any cal.I will guarantee it will shoot under 1/2 inch groups it will be on a Sako action I can provide up to a 31 inch barrel S.S. stress relived ,cryoed,flutted. A custom stock. Or a AR-15 match rifle. Our guns start at$1700.00 AR-15s at $1200.00 but we will take the highest bid no matter what and it will be an exceptional gun. Bids will be taken untile Dec. 20th. If you want to just contribute some money just send it to me I'll see they get it if you can't help that way sometime today when you see how lucky you are say a prayer for them. I wish I was a better writter because I don't feel I am telling you how much these little girls affected me ,but I am just to close to the situation and way to emotional right now. If you can help do, if not this family one near you. I now know I will be building an extra rifle each year for just this reason,so if you know of some one who needs help let me know. John Campbell Campbell & Nix Custom Gun & Stock Makers 2141 Van Giesen Richland Wa.99352 1-509-946-5025 Posted on Dec 12 1998, 06:06 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas the Doubter by Sounds Fishey I would ask this John person to post the names and address of a local law enforcement official in the area that this family is supposed to live in "Just send me the money and I'll see that it gets to them?" Hmmmmmmm Sounds like someone needs a little help doing his holiday shopping. This address for this John person could be a drop. A scam run for a shot time before the law catches up with him. If this guy is legit God bless him. Get me that address and I'll send money. But I think we need more info before we send money. If this guy is a scam I hope gets caught. Prove me wrong. Posted on Dec 18 1998, 08:42 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check it out by Survivor Go to the Varmint board and check it out for yourself, all the things I have heard about the man are positive, he truly is trying to help out the needy, which more of us should try to do this holiday season, God Bless and Merry Christmas. Survivor Posted on Dec 19 1998, 07:18 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Need more like you by Flash God bless you John Campbell and to the family that you write about. This story brings tears since I have two daughters of my own and I WILL pray for them tonite!!! Posted on Dec 24 1998, 04:05 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WTS:Norinco AK Underfolder $900.00 by CUB : Comes with box & four mags 85% condition. : E-mail if interested Posted on Dec 12 1998, 10:45 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Favorite SKS related Sites by DaMan Of course, The SKS Discussion Forum is my absolute favorite SKS related site. But I'd like to hear of any other sites out the with info, products, etc. relating to the SKS that you have found interesting. Thanks! DaMan Posted on Dec 11 1998, 07:59 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fave Sites by Survivor The SKS Home Page at: http://www.access.digex.net/~45acp/sks.html and The SKS Man (Paul's Guns)at: http://senna.speedsoft.com/nationlink/sksman/ Those are a couple of good sites I have come across. Survivor Posted on Dec 11 1998, 09:20 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Russian 7.62 x 39 Hollow Point Ammo by DaMan I usually "role my own" accuracy and hunting ammo for my SKS, but I've been hearing good things about the Russian HP ammo that has recently become available. What kind of accuracy can I expect with this stuff? Thanks! DaMan Posted on Dec 11 1998, 07:49 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Accuracy in SKS/AKS Rifles by Richard Gould Each individual carbine has it's likes and dislikes relating to factory loads. Your rifle may shoot best of all Russian HP or prefer Chinese military ball or produce the tightest group with KOPP Czechoslovak lead core FMJ, or really clean house with Sellier and Bellot. There seems no way, DaMan, to predict. My advice is to acquire forty (40) rounds of each type - your best hand load included - you can and then shoot under controlled circumstances to your best. Once you're satisfied that the weapon/ammunition match has been performed as consistently as humanly possible, you'll be able to choose wisely which road to take. Posted on Dec 13 1998, 11:52 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good idea, Richard! by DaMan I tried Norinco ammo. Chronographed 10 rounds and shot one group of 10 for "accuracy" from the bench. They all went "bang" but I'm glad I only bought 20 rounds because they were VERY inaccurate! I bought 40 rounds of Russian HP ammo today. Manufactured in '97 factory "3". Even when purchased in small quantities, they're still fairly cheap. Hope they give decent accuracy. I'll report back later. Thanks! DaMan Posted on Dec 14 1998, 06:15 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 97-3 ammo shoots great! by brian i picked up 100 rounds to try a couple of weekends ago at a show. i would have gotten more, but several net sellers are cheaper by the thousand, delivered. the 97-3 ammo was nice. i was averaging 6 of 10 in the 10 ring from 100 yds. with my norinco, the other four in the nine. it is also not as "dirty" as other surplus ammo. good luck and good shooting! Posted on Dec 14 1998, 07:04 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ref: SKS Strippers Say it ain't so! by DaMan I've seen a few places advertising SKS stripper clips that say these can no longer be imported. Is this true or just sales hype? Who has the best price on stripper clips nowadays? Thanks! Regards! DaMan Posted on Dec 11 1998, 07:39 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stripper clips by Survivor I have been Kind of wondering about that too, I have never seen anything official on it though, the best place I have seen them is on Ebay, they usually have quite a few for sale, Survivor Posted on Dec 11 1998, 09:22 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by DaMan Thanks, Survivor! I haven't seen anything official either. That's why I think it may be sales hype. Cheaper than Dirt says the same thing in their advertisements. But at least they are still selling them fairly cheap ($ .45ea.) The shipping and handling are the killers! Try to get with a few SKS buds and order in quanity! I like to spend my range time shooting, not single loading the magazine. So these strippers are absolutely essential to me! Regards! DaMan Posted on Dec 12 1998, 08:04 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Polit-hype is More Like It ! by Richard Gould It is probably the case that distributors are citing the fact that militaria from the Peoples' Republic of China is banned from import, thus the sales hype "BUY NOW, THERE WILL BE NO MORE!" For those keeping score, it is a bitter thing to see the president and the current administration getting away with issuing passes for Chinese firearms now entering the country. What am I talking about? All those "Nighthawk"-brand shotguns and NDM-86 rifles (7.62mm NATO) one sees in the SGN lately. We imagine that Wang Chung's people are getting the green light whereas the NORINCO crowd are shut out for not shoving dollars at the Democratic National Committee or the president and vice president fast enough. Our advice is clear: buy what you can today. Posted on Dec 13 1998, 11:46 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 45 cents for strippers??! by The Confessor Call Clearview Investments Inc. (606-879-0833), they have strippers $16/100 or $182/1400 (13 cents each!) or Tennessee Guns (423-577-1939) for strippers $14.95/100 45 cents, egads man!!! Posted on Jan 06 1999, 04:13 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Shotgun News... by Russ has ads from assorted companies w. strippers for sale in quantity. One had a great deal, but it was a lot of like 1200 or so. Several shooters could pool their bucks and get stripper-clips pretty cheap this way. Also, the clips look like they'll take quite a bit of use. Just keep 'em cleaned, lightly oiled and dry. Several hundred should last most of us "forever". Posted on Dec 14 1998, 06:03 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS at pawnshop by Bill Hatcher I was talking to a gunsmith friend the other day about purchasing a semi-automatic carbine and he recommended the SKS. Found a nice looking Norinco SKS in a pawn shop for $140. Decent price? Seems to have a broken spring in the detachable clip. Repairable?? What are some of the other things I should look for when inspecting this gun? Many thanks for the info. Posted on Dec 10 1998, 03:18 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- sks price by rk thats a decent price. not if a spring is broken though. never heard of that breaking. the sks is an awesome rifle for the price and you will get years of shooting fun out of it Posted on Dec 10 1998, 07:04 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- more info by Bill Hatcher Went back for a better look at the Pawnshop SKS. Says SKS7 right before the Norinco marking. The 30 rnd mag/clip that is broken is some sort of plastic piece of junk!! The gun itself has a pretty primitive looking stock on it with a little compartment hole in the butt section with what looks to be a metal tube with some items in it. I can see now why folks upgrade the stock. Looks like it was carved with a dull butter knife!! The firing mechanism looks like it has not been fired much at all. No cleaning rod or bayonet. There is a gun show here in the Atlanta area this week. I am going to see what is there first. Just learning about these SKS units, but I am definatly going to buy one!!!! Posted on Dec 10 1998, 11:04 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: Your SKS by Dave-Ga That lil metal tube on the stock is a cleaning kit . No bayonet , no big deal . If you absolutely want one , they are cheap ($4-$10) .....Replace that plastic thing with a 20 or 10 round fixed mag ($5-$20) .......Cleaning rod ($2-$8) ...... For $140 your not gonna find to many sks's for that price anymore . NIB they are from $200 and up . If you don't want it , e-mail me where it's at so I can look at it :o) . BTW: What show are you going to in Atlanta area , Eastman ? If so where is it located at this time ? Happy shopping ! Posted on Dec 11 1998, 03:23 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- sks mags by rick is there an sks 30 round mag out there that doesnt jam. i had one a few years ago that worked perfect. now they all suck. it seems that they do not angle the bullet up to properly slide into the barrel. any help appreciated. Posted on Dec 09 1998, 09:02 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SUCKI CHINA MAG by BLASTMASTER DEAR KIND SIR, #1. IF YOU'RE USING A USA MAG THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM. FOR THEY HAVE BUILT THE CRAPPIEST FOLLOWERS AND METAL COMPONENTS I HAVE EVER USED. #2. MAKE SURE YOU LOADING IT IN ALL THE WAY. MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW HOW TO WORK A CAM-ACTION. #3. MAKE SURE ALL THE ROUNDS ARE PUSHED ALL THE WAY BACK IN YOUR 30rd MAG OR THEY COULD HAVE A PROBLEM FEEDING. THANK YOU, BLASTMASTER P.S. I SUGGEST GET AN SKS TYPE D OR AN AK. Posted on Dec 09 1998, 09:19 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS Mags by Survivor I personally have 4 30 round USA mags, and have never had a problem with any of them, maybe I am just lucky, but they all function flawlessly in my rifles, and I have put alot of rounds through them... Posted on Dec 10 1998, 03:34 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Find more forums on Firearms Create your own forum at Netbabbler SKS Discussion Forum SKS Discussion Forum This board is dedicated to the discussion of the SKS rifle, feel free to ask all your questions here. I have decided to allow buying and selling of SKS (only)parts and accessories on this board. Send Comments and Questions to Survivor Survival Buy and Sell Forum General Gun Talk AK Discussion Forum -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- gas piston oiling by DCV few weeks back i posted about oiling the gas tube/piston i read someplace that it shouldnt be done since it woudl carbonize and plug up. i cleaned the tube today after using Hoppes oil, there was no carbonizing. this was about 100 rds after the last oiling. from what i saw it doesnt hurt and probably helps. Posted on Dec 06 1998, 04:29 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I always do by Survivor I always oil mine and clean it after each shooting seesion, never heard about carbonizing???But who knows, it has worked for me so far... Posted on Dec 06 1998, 07:01 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I do too ! (no txt) by Dave-Ga :o) Posted on Dec 11 1998, 03:25 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WHAT DO THE NUMBER'S ON THE REAR SIGHT MEAN? by NEW OWNER On the rear sight there are numbers that go like this from top to bottom. 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 3 What do they mean? Posted on Dec 06 1998, 12:55 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rear Sight Markings by DaMan Newowner, those are range settings in hundred meter increments. When sighted in with military ammo at 300 meters using the rear "3" setting, your carbine should hit right on at 100m when you place the rear sight on the "1" setting. Regards! DaMan Posted on Dec 06 1998, 01:31 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- whats the other symbol? by DCV at the bottom of my sight, the is a N, whats that mean, secondly, where is the mark on the sliding pasrt of the sight, do you set it from the leading edge or the middle?? Posted on Dec 06 1998, 04:21 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- thanks, saw earlier post by DCV i read the earlier post and now i understand what the sight means and how it shoould work. Posted on Dec 06 1998, 04:25 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Spare SKS Trigger Group Spring? by Richard Gould Has anyone a spare "coil" spring that sits in the recess beneath the rear of an SKS trigger group. Normally these like to stay in place only mine took a hike the moment I lifted the trigger assembly out and THAT, brothers, ain't too convenient. Please signal me directly if you've a spare trigger group (a.k.a. "coil") spring handy. Thanks. Posted on Dec 05 1998, 06:51 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS Rear Sight by DaMan I must plead ignorance! The military models I'm familiar with had graduations to 1,000m. Are the Model-21s only to a somewhat more realistic 800m? Thanks! DaMan Posted on Dec 05 1998, 01:34 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Trade Some 7.62x54R Ammo for SKS-Items... by Russ Will trade 100rds of 7.62x39 - all in original boxes & wrappings: 80rds (4 boxes) Navy Arms 180gr Ball; 1 20rd box Russian (red box) 204gr soft-point hunting ammunition. Will trade for... Quantity of SKS Stripper Clips - make offer on # OR Monte Carlo Synthetic Stock for SKS OR (my 100rds plus "some" cash) for FOLDING SKS Stock OR 1 Box of Winchester Silvertip ammo in 9mm OR (of course) Make Offer! Interested in SKS items. Posted on Dec 03 1998, 08:07 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sorry! Ammo is 7.62x54R (ntxt) by Russ (again!) . Posted on Dec 03 1998, 08:13 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- help by rick i need to know exactly what the law says about having a bayonet on an SKS. if it is pre-1989 is it legal? and where can i find text of the laws that cover this? Posted on Dec 03 1998, 06:46 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- www.atf.treas.gov by Flash Rick, Try this address for your information Posted on Dec 05 1998, 08:13 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- thanks by rick i did look there, but they are very vague, and offfer little that the layman could understand. i read the law, and from what i found they are enforcing rules that i cant find in writing Posted on Dec 05 1998, 08:53 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do not rely on ATF web site or pamphlets by Jim Do not rely on the info you get from the BATF web site or the silly pamphlets they send you. This could end up with you in "JAIL" If you check you will find that they don't give you all the info. Why? your guess is as good as mine. Example. They never tell you that you need approval, for a simple feature replacement. They never tell you that a thumbhole stock is the same as a pistol grip. Try to picture this 1000's of non-computer users who write to the BATF and get in return the pamphlets they send. They put on a thumbhole stock and go to jail. Where they set up? You tell me. Get it in writing. Also demand that they notify you in case they change law. This way you put the burden on them, in case something goes wrong. Also make sure you send it certified mail with the date and the certified mail number. Also complain to your Congress person about what they are doing and demand they keep you advised of what is going on. Also demand that they stop the BATF from doing this and if anyone has been arrested because of the BATF's actions they have all rights restored. Jim Jim Posted on Dec 05 1998, 08:33 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Converting Fixed Mag to Detachable Mag by Mark I've heard that removing the fixed mag and adapting it to accept SKS detachable magazines isn't difficult... but I haven't found a book or FAQ that describes the process. Anyone know of any good locations to find that? Also, I want to replace the original stock with a SVD (Dragunov) Fiberforce stock. Does this come with a special stock tool? Also, how much work would I have to do to it to have it accept detachable mags? Any help would be appreciated! Thanks. Posted on Dec 02 1998, 10:51 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- converting to detachables by Survivor All you have to do is remove your trigger group by depressing the little button to the rear of the trigger housing, remove the box magazine, reinstall your trigger group, and that is it, install detachable.... Posted on Dec 06 1998, 02:00 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sighting in a SKS by EW Is there anyway I can adjust the front sight post without using the $12 tool? I would like to know how to read the rear sight sliding scale. Is one click equal to 50m or 100m? I am pretty confused as the slots do not line up with the numbers. I am intending to sight in the rifle at 100 yards. Any suggestions? Thanks. Posted on Dec 02 1998, 08:02 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sighting in SKS by DaMan EW, if you just want to adjust elevation, you can use a needlenose pliers. For windage adjustment you can wack on the front sight stud with some kind of drift and a hammer. I would use the above methods only as emergency field expedients. Check out the "Cheaper than Dirt" catalog. They have a tool that adjusts elevation for 99 cents. They also have a windage and elevation tool that costs $8.97. Buy one of these. It will save you a lot o headaches! I'll send you 100yd sight-in info later. Regards! DaMan Posted on Dec 02 1998, 03:24 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 100yd Sight In by DaMan EW, each notch changes the elevation by 100m. To sight in, bring the slide body on the rear sight completely to the rear. Now ease it forward until it clicks in solidly in the rearmost notch. The front of the slide body should be lined up with an upside-down "U" a "3" or a "D" (depending on the SKS you have). This is the combat setting and should be on at 300m (328yds) when properly sighted in. Leave rear sight at this setting. If you have a 25yd range, adjust front sight so point of impact (POI)is 2.1" above point of aim (clockwise raises POI, counter-clockwise lowers POI). If you sight in at 100yds, POI should be 9.3" above the point of aim. This was calculated for Federal Amercan Eagle white box but will put you pretty close with most M-43 type ammo. If you have further questions, e-mail me. Regards! DaMan Posted on Dec 03 1998, 09:55 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Russian SKS parts by Jon Where can I get Russian SKS replacement parts. Thanks Jon Posted on Dec 01 1998, 01:52 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I Have some, what are you looking for? by CUB Have most in stock. And I have Trigger assemblys on order. Posted on Dec 01 1998, 03:19 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Help with Simmons Scope by Jim I saw a Simmons Red Dot scope in CDNN. I also saw a Simmons 4x28 compact. Which is the better of the two? Thanks Posted on Dec 01 1998, 02:14 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I found synthetic stocks for the SKS-D by Dave-7 I have found two 3 kinds of stocks for the Sporter Sks ......They are at www.classicarms.com They even have one that finally lets you attach the AK drum . This was an answer to a previous question I asked for anyoneone else looking. Posted on Nov 30 1998, 04:35 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WTB: SKS Trigger assemblies by CUB e-mail with info and price Thanks in advance Posted on Nov 29 1998, 02:07 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Me Too by Jim I need trigger parts. Please e-mail me. Thanks Posted on Nov 30 1998, 01:35 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "SKS" Trigger Assembles by "MN GUY" Hey Cub, have you tried "SARCO INC." they recently aquired a large group of new parts for "SKS" rifles.There web site is http://www.sarcoinc.com Posted on Nov 30 1998, 04:07 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Did not find triggers but great page THANKS ntxt by CUB ;; Posted on Dec 01 1998, 12:46 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Triggers by Jon How about using Russian parts. I am looking for trigger parts to. I e-mailed the AK-47 dist in the US for help. I`ll let you know if I get any info. SKS man will have complete trigger assemblies but he wants $90. Anyone have hammer strut pins they want to sell? Thanks Jon Posted on Dec 01 1998, 01:56 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- JON: I Just bought all he had. see txt by CUB I have most part's but no hammer pin. Im sure my gunsmith could build one for you. But Im sure paul (SKS MAN)told you the same thing. I couldn't pick them up much cheaper and im not sure how long they will take. But what the hay I cant find them anywhere. Thanks for your help. Posted on Dec 01 1998, 03:34 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS compensator by Jeff J. Looking for a compensator that involved removing the front sight assenbly and attaching it directly to the barrel. When completed, the unit resembled a simple extension of the barrel rather than an attachment. Anyone know of these or where they can be purchased? Posted on Nov 29 1998, 01:46 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Muzzle brake by Jim I only one I know of is the one where you take off the front sight retaining pin, and then put the brake on with a longer retaining pin. Getting the front sight off is a big job. I have two front sight assemblies from CTD and I still have not been able to get them apart. How this helps. Jim Posted on Dec 01 1998, 05:23 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sticker Shock at Gun Show! by DaMan Saw two refurbished (not unissued)Tula SKSs all matching at gun show today. Asking $360 and $380 respectively! Mismatched Chinese "beaters" from military arsenals $230. Run of the mill Norinco post-ban exports in good to very good $230. I'm sure these dealers will dicker, but this shocked me! Is this the result of the new legislation going into effect at the end of the month? How are things in your area? Regards! DaMan Posted on Nov 28 1998, 01:20 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RE: Sticker Shock.... by Survivor It was to be expected this close to the new laws going into effect, wait a month and prices will be back down, as long as you don't mind the background check..... Posted on Nov 28 1998, 04:19 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What Price, Freedom? by Richard Gould DaMan, folks over at the AK List Serve have suffered a heated debate on how NICS will affect prices. Of course, we've come to no definite conclusions - how could we. The larger point is, who would rat themselves out to the Criminal Division of the F.B.I. just to save a $50.00? As grey beard shooters know, ammunition purchased/fabricated over the life of ComBloc weapons far exceed the cost of the hardware anyway, so one is doubly-struck by inherent contradictions of arguments in favor of waiting to buy til 30 November, tomorrow. Prices at shows and in stores in the Pacific Northwest have edged up in recent months tho not nearly to the heights you report. I've been won over to the notion that the bottom will drop out on hardware prices in the next several months, perhaps never to recover. NICS is to blame as well as the president's most recent initiative to close down "illegal weapons bazaars" (read, gun shows). How the man-we-all-look-up-to will accomplish the latter is, again, a matter of speculation, only two alternatives do present themselves from the outside: (1) national firearms registration to match national firearms owner registration taking place shortly under the NICS regime, and (2) federal sponsorship/ encouragement of state government bans on shows. Of course, the inchohate DNC oligarchy would prefer their "third way" of passing new federal laws banning private sales, an alternative not to be dismissed by us out-of-hand as too impractical or nonsensical to be believed. Sorry to rain on the parade, DaMan, but these are my thoughts. Posted on Nov 29 1998, 12:19 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by Blackcloud Last month in MI the cheapest Russian I saw was $299 with many higher, but these all had laminate stocks. Yesterday in Ohio I saw unlaminate Russians for $280 to $350. Chinese SKS's were all going for less than $200, some down to $150. Posted on Nov 29 1998, 07:01 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Build a type 89 scope mount? by Jim As I am unable to find a type 89 scope mount for my Paratrooper, would anyone have the information that would assist me, so that I could build one? Thanks Jim Posted on Nov 28 1998, 07:09 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20 round mag in Russian SKS? by FAL fanatic Any RKIs out there know if the ChiCom 20 round fixed magazines will fit the Russian SKS? Thanks in advance. Posted on Nov 26 1998, 11:50 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eh... From What I've Seen... by Russ Just about all of the aftermarket 20's, 30's, drums, etc., will FIT or can be made to fit with minor tweaking. But the FUNCTION is where most of these replacements come-up short. Here and on other boards, you'll read about this issue. In many posts, the shooter says that once they went back to the original as-designed-to-be-there 10-shot box, their SKS was once again reliable and fun to shoot. A personal experience: Brother put a 30rd'r on his Chinese SKS. When loading, the bullets would suddenly flip down and go vertical - really jamming-up the mag. After musch prying and bending, the mag would load MOST of the time without flipping the rounds. These problems might bo okay for a plinking-gun, but if you have to defend yourself, you want RELIABILITY, period. Posted on Nov 28 1998, 05:04 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20 rd Chicom mags by ED I have installed the 20 rd mag, the one that looks and operates like the standard mag, on several Chinese rifles. Not one was reliable. I took out the follower and filed off the rough edges which helped some, but it still was not reliable with more than 12 rounds loaded. I can't imagine that they would be any better on the Rooskie. Posted on Nov 29 1998, 03:10 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Receiver peep site or gas port LER scope mount? by Ray Does anyone know where you can still get either of these? Saw them both once at a gunshow, should have picked them up then. R. Posted on Nov 26 1998, 06:49 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Need copies of BATF letters by Jim Can anyone who received any letter from the BATF please e-mail me. Thanks and have a great Thanksgiving. Posted on Nov 26 1998, 08:12 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Disassembly problems by Fred Schwarz Need some help on SKS disassembly. First, how does one take the firing pin and extractor out of the bolt? Second. I can't get the trgger assembly detent (behind the trigger guard) to even budge so I can remove the trigger assembly for cleaning. Am I doing something wrong? Thanks in advance. Fred Posted on Nov 25 1998, 05:43 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Take a Punch and a big clamp and stick on end of the clamp on the reciever cover and on the end of t by asd sdfsdfasd Posted on Nov 25 1998, 07:23 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HOW TO........ by J.A. First remove cross pin from bolt body everything comes apart. pull extractor up and to rear. firing pin falls out. second you safety lever is in the wrong posistion put it in the other posistion. it might take a little tapping with a small punch and hammer. WARNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU MUST HAVE THE FLAT ON FIRING PIN IN THE RIGHT POSISTION TO CLEAR CROSS PIN IN BOLT BODY. OTHERWISE IT WILL SLAM FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! POSSIBLE CASE RUPTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Posted on Nov 25 1998, 07:57 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.ziplink.net/~wasik/sksmanual/sksmanual.html by DaMan Disassembly instructions at above web site. When firing pin is reinstalled, make sure it moves freely backwards and fowards! The late Chinese firing pins can be accidentally insstalled upside-down and cause a slam fire! Regards! DaMan Posted on Nov 25 1998, 08:50 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks by Fred Schwarz Daman: Thanks, for the web site, I d-loaded the manual and will be off to work on my SKS. Fred Posted on Nov 26 1998, 06:23 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Help Bolt Carrier by Jon I just got a bolt carrier and it is different than the one in my 16.5" para. Why is this and can I use it. The changes are the face of the bolt where the extractor is & the cut on the bottom, as far as I can tell. Can I also ask my fellow SKS owners just how do I get my front sight assembly and bayo mount off. I have took off the pins but they will not move. Thank You Jon Posted on Nov 23 1998, 02:57 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Your SKS by Survivor Is your SKS a standard Norinco paratrooper, or a sporter that takes AK mags? They have different bolts between the two, the sporter bolt is flat on the bottom where the standard one has a part that goes through the lips on the mag. As far as the front site goes, I have never tried it yet so hopefully someone else has tried and knows. Posted on Nov 23 1998, 06:22 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FRONT SIGHT REMOVAL by J.A. Freind and I did it. Clamped barrel in vise, heated front sight, beat it with a 3 pound ball peen hammer. 1 pound hammer wouldnt cut it. rear sight,gas block,and front sight are all pressed on. Posted on Nov 23 1998, 08:17 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bolt Body by DaMan Jon, I think you are refering to the bolt body and not the bolt carrier. The Chinese used two differnt types of bolts. The later Chinese production, including the Norincos made strictly for export use a different bolt body than the earlier ones designed for use by the Chinese military. The early "Paras" were modified to the shorter barrel length from carbines produced for the Chinese military. I think yours is one of these. Answer to barrel body question in next post. Posted on Nov 23 1998, 08:20 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Your right by Jon Picked up a 20" Norinco SKS in a trade. The bolt in the Norinco is different than the Para. The gas rods although the same length, have a different taper. Of course the 1965 SKS Para has a threaded barrel, and it's trigger group is milled, not stamped. The milled Para trigger group does work in the newer Norinco. Thanks Jon Posted on Nov 30 1998, 01:41 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FS. SKS Sporter and milles Russian SKS by Aaron The sporter comes with the box, manual, 5 and 30 round magazine, a leaper 6*40 scope and mount. 275 Russian SKS is in good shape stock has handling dings. The russian SKS has a 10 round fixed magazine and a refinished stock. 180. ALL TRADES CONSIDERED! Posted on Nov 23 1998, 07:23 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chicom parts in Russian SKS by Freedom Fighter Do any RKIs out there know if Chinese SKS parts are interchangeable into Russian SKS rifles? TIA Live Free! Posted on Nov 22 1998, 09:45 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parts Compatibility by DaMan TLA, don't count on it! Many of the early Russian production have different parts than later Russian designs! Ditto with the Chinese SKSs! The situation gets worse when you try to swap SKS parts from carbines produced in different countries. Even though the Russians had advisors helping to set up the Chinese military arsenals, there are still major differences in various components! Posted on Nov 23 1998, 08:44 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Survival Buy and Sell Forum by Survivor The place to post for those items you still need, or to sell some of your surplus items, thanks, Survivor http://www.netbabbler.com/goto/?forumid=5531 Posted on Nov 22 1998, 08:55 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Custom SKS barrels by Jim For us SKS owners who have threaded barrels, is there anyone who makes custom barrels for the SKS. Thanks. Also does anyone have a letter from the BATF that states just what fixed mag SKS owners can do to mod their rifle? TIA Jim Posted on Nov 22 1998, 07:03 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- fixed mag mods by GNS I downloaded a great paper at rec.guns some time ago.It might still be there,but if you Email me withadress,Ill be glad to send you a copy in the mail (reg. mail).....jrc2@mindspring.com Posted on Nov 23 1998, 01:36 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Accuracy -Threaded or Pinned SKS by DaMan I firmly believe that the threaded barrel SKSs produce better accuracy than the pinned versions! Many have told me there isn't any difference, but they are usually selling or own only the pinned barreled models. Opinions? Thanks! DaMan Posted on Nov 20 1998, 01:23 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- accuracy by Survivor I own both models and have not noticed a big difference in the accuracy of either model. Posted on Nov 21 1998, 05:59 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- accuracy by ed Powell I have owned quite a few of each type, and I can't remember any difference in accuracy that could be credited to either one. In other words, I have had pinned barrels that were pretty accurate, and some that weren't so good. The same thing goes for the screwed barrel models. Actually, I found that ammo was the biggest factor in accuracy. The old Chinese corrosive military stuff was the best of the cheap stuff, but I haven't seen any around for a while. The Winchester white box FMJ shoots good in my rifles, but is too expensive for plinking. I am now trying out some S&B soft point, (3.79 per box from Cheaper than Dirt). It hasn't impressed me as being real accurate so far, but I've only tried it in one 16" rifle. Posted on Nov 22 1998, 04:24 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Barrel Length May Be A Factor by Richard Gould DaMan, have you been lead by experience or testimonials to wonder whether 16-1/2" barrels in SKS rifles may prove a tad more accurate than standard tubes? One congiscenti made this observation to me and attributed the short barrel advantage to relatively less flex and other interior ballistic advantages taking place in a Paratrooper or SKS-sporter pipe. Plinking at some rock out to 300 meters recently, I suspect my pal may be on to something, altho we lacked a standard carbine at the time for making "scientific" comparisons. It wouldn't appear wise, in any case, to make categorical statements regarding ChiCom- produced articles beyond the obvious. Posted on Nov 27 1998, 11:56 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is this considered an SKS or an AK?? by Gabby Norinko SKS56. Uses detachables mags and I think they are actual AK mags... The great politicians of California have told us that with the detachable mag, it's an assault rifle and they all have to go bye-bye by Dec 31, 1999 or we can go to Jail. A great shooting gun too... Posted on Nov 18 1998, 06:57 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS-D by Survivor Sounds like you have an SKS-D, I also have one of those, fortunately though, I don't live in the Peoples Republik of Kalifornia, and by Kali. laws that is an "assault rifle", what a joke.... Posted on Nov 19 1998, 06:56 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You can still PIN the mag in! by LUCKY YOU! if you buy a 5rd./10rd. mag you can still PIN it in,or have a gunsmith do it. It will then be a REGULAR sks...check the laws, you may still be able to have a 30 clip if it is pinned! Forrest Co. in Shotgun News sells a 75rd. CLIP! not drum, for the AK!!!!!! Posted on Nov 21 1998, 06:29 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WTS: 2-Polytech 75rd. Drums for AK by Aug Stamped Polytech on cover 75 rd. drums, $ 69.95 ea. + $ 5.70 shipping. New in box... Posted on Nov 18 1998, 03:35 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sold by Aug Sold Posted on Dec 01 1998, 09:30 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hellstorm 2000 by Renegade Has anyone tried this "trigger system" on a Chinese SKS? Does cause any problems other than accelerated wear and tear? I'm curious about its effectiveness when used with the 75 round drum or with a high-capacity fixed magazine. Many thanks, Renegade Posted on Nov 17 1998, 11:18 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- hellstorm by Survivor I tried one once and thought it was a complete waste of good money, you have no accuracy, all you are doing is sending a bunch of ammo down range. Just keep it the way you bought it, you will be happier. Posted on Nov 18 1998, 04:39 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It is not needed, you can do it witout one... by DIY HELLSTORM!!!! The hellstorm uses the recoil to pull your finger off of the trigger, and then push it back on. It is a jip, but if you must find out for yourself, grab the foregrip uf the gun with your left hand, and hold it down by your side like Rambo. Next, USING ONLY YOUR FINGER, pull back on the trigger while pulling forward on the foregrip. The recoil will push try to push the gun back while you pull it forward. ONE NOTE: you have no aim whatsoever, and you will waste around 30 rounds(or 3 dollars, if you are LUCKY,) every time you do it. Not only that, but most ranges will kick you out. If you do it in bumfuck somewhere, you risk shooting some poor soul off in the distance. If you desire more control, you need to pull off the stock, and add a forward pistol grip. I am telling ya, this is a big waste of time, and $, but not as big a waste as "hellstorm." If I were the govt., I'd rather people had full "controlable" auto than hellstorm, as it goes everywhere but where you want it to aim... Posted on Nov 18 1998, 09:00 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DITTO peice of crap by J.A. Couldnt have said it better myself. What a ripoff hellfire/hellstorm. Posted on Nov 19 1998, 05:59 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HELLSTORM-(AKA)-HELLFIRE by BUBBA Tried one! Hard to fit. Rubbed on safety and trigger. Pretty chintzy. Not worth the effort or money. Sent it back! Posted on Mar 03 1999, 09:47 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Info on Chinese "Parade" SKS... by Russ ... provided from an AD on another board - I'm adding the sellers' email as a courtesy for using the SKS info to our benefit: 2) Chinese Honor Guard SKS- Nearly perfect, high grade wood, milled trigger pack, threaded barrel, and all the honor guard upgrades: "pocket" butt plate (like a K98), leather Chinese pattern sling, blade bayonet (stock and ferrule cut for a blade, not a spike), and most noticably, fully chrome plated. Pictures available (just ask and I'll send them). One of about 232 such guns documented in the US. Includes original Chinese promo sheet, picture of Clinton 'inspecting' the Chinese honor guard during his recent visit (these guns clearly visible in the background), and the original certificate from Norinco, still sealed in original plastic. $585 OBO eme9@cornell.edu Posted on Nov 17 1998, 09:21 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- New SKS-AK/MAK webpage by Bailout I have put my new home-based webpage on line. It is the SKS-AK-MAK page. I welcome anyone to visit and hope you will enjoy and perhaps contribute. It is a spin off of the old SKS-AK/MAK newsletter I used to do. It is COMPLETELY non commercial and is done only with reader contributions. It is brand new as of today, so there are still a few mistakes I am finding (like spelling). Not all areas are up yet, but some good information. Please visit...Bailout http://www.valuu.net/users/bailout/default.htm Posted on Nov 17 1998, 04:07 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Find more forums on Firearms Create your own forum at Netbabbler SKS Discussion Forum SKS Discussion Forum This board is dedicated to the discussion of the SKS rifle, feel free to ask all your questions here. I have decided to allow buying and selling of SKS (only)parts and accessories on this board. Send Comments and Questions to Survivor Survival Buy and Sell Forum General Gun Talk AK Discussion Forum -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sporter SKS......a new stock question..... by Dave7 The sporter Sks is wonderful in the fact that it takes AK mags . BUT..... Has anyone tried to fit a synthetic stock to it ? Will the after market stocks fit with a lil dremel tool work ........??? Also ...... Does anyone have a source for parts for this particular model? I'm kinda wishing I had bought two regular sks's and put 20 rnd fixed mages on them .......BUT...this is what I have so............ Posted on Nov 16 1998, 01:49 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stocks for sporters by Survivor http://www.classicarms.com has stocks listed for sporter models. give them a call Posted on Nov 17 1998, 04:29 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sporter Stocks by Flash Try Midway Arms at 1-800-243-3220 or www.midwayusa.com I bought a Reinhart Fajen laminated sporter in a green camo for 30 bucks back in August and it fits,looks,and shoots great. Posted on Nov 17 1998, 09:28 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Receiver Cover Mount Scope by Wanderer What do you guys think of the scope mount that takes the place of the reciever cover. I am thinking about putting a scope on my SKS. Posted on Nov 15 1998, 10:14 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scope mount by Survivor I have one on one of my SKS's, they are all right but I still prefer the open sights because you have to use a short scope or it renders stripper clips useless and every shell that ejects bounces off your scope. Posted on Nov 18 1998, 04:41 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What's the best receiver cover scope mount? by Jim There are so many receiver receiver cover scope mounts. I have heard so many stories of them falling off, comming apart etc. Which one is the best. Name and where to get one. Thanks Posted on Nov 18 1998, 09:42 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS type? by Jon I was given as a birthday present a SKS. How can I tell just what kind of SKS I have? It is shorter than the 20" version. It has a wood stock, with a sling mount on the side with serial numbers below it. all numbers match in that the first three 101 are not included (101874xx) Oh there are numbers stamped on the trigger guard too. It has the following on the right hand side of the receiver SKS 7.62x39 Made in China by Norinco KSI Pomona CA On the left hand side of the receiver it has a triangle, three chinese letters followed by the serial # 101874xx and then a P. It has a rail mount on the left-hand side of the receiver. I am looking for any info I can get on it. Also where can I get parts for it, as well as a scope and mount for the side mounted rail. How can I tell what kind of barrel it has, threaded or pinned? Thanks to all and good shooting. Jon Posted on Nov 15 1998, 09:39 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a little help... by Bryan KSI Pomona CA is the name and address of the American company that imported the weapon. You can contact them and get the specifics on you particular rifle. There are many good websites out there on SKSs; one of the best is "SKSMan.com". He also sells parts, including receiver cover scope mounts. Posted on Nov 17 1998, 10:15 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Info on your SKS by DaMan Jon, look carefully at the triangle on the left side of the receiver. It will have either the stylized arabic numerals "26" or "416". "26" would mean your weapon was made at State Factory 296 (Jianshe Machine Tool Factory) in Chonjin. A "416" in the triangle means it was made in State Factory 296 in Chandong Province. Your weapon started off life as a military carbine and was PROBABLY modified to it's present "Para" configuration by Norinco for export sales. The side mounted sling and and the serial number tell me it was originally produced in early 1965. I would guess it was modified by Norinco in the early 90's. Regards! DaMan Posted on Nov 19 1998, 05:43 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS type 89 scope mount by Jim I have an SKS Paratrooper with a rail mount on the side of the receiver, not the receiver cover. I am looking for the mount for it so I can use a scope. If you have one or know where I can get one please e-mail me. Thanks Posted on Nov 15 1998, 07:24 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Russian HP Ammo by Wanderer Anybody got any opinion on the Russian HP 7.62 x 39 ammo you can get at gun shows for about $100/1000. Same stuff as Classic Arms out of NC sells. I have only shot 120 rds but had no trouble. What do you think? Posted on Nov 15 1998, 06:07 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Russian HP by Bailout I have shot some 100 rounds in my NHM-91, Factory 26 SKS and Russian SKS and have experianced excellent results at 25 yard targets. It shot just as accurately out of all three guns as did Federal factory ammo. There are at least three sources in Shotgun News that have a cost INCLUDING shipping of $120 per 1000. It is usually $109.95 + $11-$12 for shipping....Remember that the key to cutting mail order cost is QUANTITY. Find a partner to split costs with. I "strategically" talked one of my friends into an SKS just so I would have someone to split the costs with. I felt a little bad at first, but he has really fallen in love with his rifle so more power to him......Bailout Posted on Nov 15 1998, 08:01 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ROOSKY AMMO RULES!!!!(CTXT!) by Rick Mobely From Montgomery Alabama I would not go so far as to say it's as good as Federal, but for the $$$, you can't beat it. Only seen ONE missfire out of ten thous. rds., and that was in a DIRTY DIRTY DIRTY sa93(ak type) with a rusty clip!!! Posted on Nov 15 1998, 09:45 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by DCV i found it a a local gunshop for $2 a box/ 1000@ $100. You could buy 1 or 10 boxes. Id check a couple shops to see if they have it in. might save in postage. never had a problem and can make lethal shots from 50yrds Posted on Nov 16 1998, 07:31 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- OT:SKS as well as new PLA bullpup by EW Check this out http://www.gsprint.com/cmd/army/small.htm The new type 89 bullpup being evaluated by the PLA is such a beauty!!! There are also some pictures of sKS. Posted on Nov 11 1998, 08:03 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS barrel:screw or normal?? by EW Hello, I have a chance to buy a SKS and there are 2 kind to choose from. One comes with a screwed barrel and milled trigger. The other one has stamped trigger and normal barrel. Which one is better?? What is the difference?? Thanks!! EW Posted on Nov 11 1998, 07:40 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by SKScat Milled parts are formed from solid pieces of metal. In my opinion the metal is stronger, and the parts of a better quality. Stamped parts are pressed, folded and/or cut from sheets of metal. A screw-in barrel allows for replacement of the barrel. A pressed-in barrel makes the receiver and barrel pretty much partners for life. Russ posted earlier regarding Russian SKS rifles - I agree that they are great to have and of a very high quality. Posted on Nov 11 1998, 08:21 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Threaded or pinned by strshot I have a threaded verison an it shoots better than my friend who has a pinned version. strshot Posted on Nov 21 1998, 05:31 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- question about MFG. date by Fred Vigeon I was wondering if any one could shed a little lite on the MFG. date of my "sks" rifle,stamped on the side of the receiver is DF21000689 also wondering if I can use the "AK47" 30rd mags in this gun.I just purchased the gun brand new a couple of weeks ago for $145.00 Posted on Nov 11 1998, 12:33 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mfg date by Renegade The name and city of the American importer will be stamped on the barrel somewhere. The importer is required to maintain all the paperwork on each rifle he imports; this will include the manufacturing date and the name of the Asian factory. The mags are available from "SKSMan.com" and "cheaperthandirt.com". Posted on Nov 17 1998, 10:25 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS parts needed. Specifically the part that allows the use of AK MAGS by Wes in NC If you have one or kno wwhere I can get one please let me know. I have a customer that wants to change over to the AK mags. Thanks Wes in NC Posted on Nov 10 1998, 06:48 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parts by Survivor With all due respect, wouldn't it just be easier to purchase an SKS-D? I just feel that you are going to have a hard time finding the parts you are looking for, and with the amount of work involved, in the long run it would probably be cheaper to purchase the whole weapon. If you have a hard time finding one try posting an ad here or looking on Ebay. Posted on Nov 11 1998, 04:36 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I need this part for a customer . by Wes in NC...SoupBowl Enterprises He wants it and I know that they are out there. If I could just get a look at one. then maybe build it myself if I have too. IF any one has an idea where to find it please let me know. Wes in NC SoupBowl Enterprises class 7 FFL 919-963-3343(office) Posted on Nov 11 1998, 12:14 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Troubles Abound... by SKScat I've seen numerous posts in various places that the "homemade" mag-jobs done with pieces and parts result in somewhat "iffy" results. I wouldn't bet MY life on a rifle that feeds MOST OF THE TIME. There may be an issue where trying to pull a mag with the bolt forward will damage the mag and possibly the rifle. I'd advise buying the SKS-D or JUST GET A AK-CLONE. The Bulgarian SLR95 is the best. Why buy a 10-shot rifle, then try to make it into something it's not? Posted on Nov 11 1998, 08:10 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SGN has an "ak type" kit, but not real ak mags... by Part has been long since discont... The stuff is zytel, however. Classic arms sells sks 75rd. drums, though. Posted on Nov 13 1998, 12:17 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Exactly How Many Chinese Arsenals? by Richard Gould A very casual project of mine has been identify all the arsenals that produced the Type 56 carbine (SKS) for the Chinese Peoples Liberation Army. This seems as good a place as any to solicit imput. I'd be obliged if persons knowing of carbines fitting this description put arsenal cipher numbers at this site along w/ the serial numbers w/ last four digits x'd out. Let me start: / 26 \ 1042xxxx / 406 \ 160xxxx / 636 \ 170xxxx [ 0138 ] 2400xxxx If you know of any other ciphers, please let me know. For example, one can guess / 66 \ . Posted on Nov 09 1998, 10:55 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chinese Arsenals by DaMan Rich, these are the ones I know about: Norinco (largest producer of SKSs), Polytech (2nd largest producer), China Jin An, /26\1042xxxx is from State Factory 296 (Jianshe Machine Tool Factory in Chongjin)and from serial # was produced in late 1965. /416\ is State Factory 967 in Shandong Province. Can't help you with /406\, /636\ and the other one. I've also seen /66\ but don't know what that is either! Let me know if you find any more pieces of the puzzle! Regards! DaMan Posted on Nov 19 1998, 07:19 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NORINCO Arsenals by Richard Gould DaMan! Thanks for the electronic poop. I know / 66 \ stamped rifles are positively NORINCO from all the Type 56S and Type 84S (AKS) imports one sees in circulation. Kehaya and Poyer ID'd over one hundred state arsenals cranking these arms outs by the truck load. It would be a good thing to be able to tabulate all arsenal cartouches carried by rifles brought into the U.S. and thereby begin getting a handle on the collectible of this or that particular piece. Posted on Nov 26 1998, 01:48 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WILL THIS WORK? by GNS IF I TAKE THE BAYONET OFF BY REMOVING THE PIN AND PRESSING IT OFF,CAN THE SIGHT POST BE PRESSED BACK ON INITS PLACE AFTER CUTTING THE BARREL DOWN TO THE RIGHT LENGTH??? Posted on Nov 08 1998, 01:00 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Buying and Selling by Survivor Buying, selling and trading of SKS related items will be allowed on here, but only SKS related items, all laws apply, so please keep it legal, if you have any extra items laying around that you don't need or have some items you are looking for, feel free to post them. Thanks, Survivor Posted on Nov 07 1998, 08:55 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- sks ammo by the doctor Has anyone used the SWAT, Devastator, or Cor-Bon tactical ammo in their SKS? How did it perform? Posted on Nov 06 1998, 09:32 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SKS BARRELS by JRC can anybody tell me where i might find paratrooper barrels for my SKS? TIA....JRC Posted on Nov 06 1998, 03:58 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: Barrel for SKS by Survivor You might check with Global Trades, they carry alot of SKS parts, they might have paratrooper barrels, you will probably have to email them to find out, here is the URL for their web site: http://www.globaltrades.com/ Posted on Nov 06 1998, 07:40 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by JRC Thanks for the help,GREAT BOARD FOR A GREAT GUN>>>>> Posted on Nov 06 1998, 08:46 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Russian SKS info by Chris I posted this on the two big boards and got alot of stupid responces perhaps someone here can help. Last weekend my girlfriend bought me an early X-Mas present in the form of a Russian SKS. Upon my close inspection of it I noticed some things which make wonder if it may have some collector value in the future. These are its "good Points" It has a serial number under 550(which is stamped almost everywhere), The gun is all machined parts, The Bayonet and bolt/carrier are what apear to be a highly polished "chrome", and it is Unfired. My quick "research" has led me to beleive it was ment as a parade or presentation gun. My question is should I put it away unfired as it may be something "special" or should I just shoot it. I don't figure it will be worth any huge amount in the future after all it is just an SKS, but I don't want to "ruin" a collectors piece by shooting it. Thanks in advance, Chris Posted on Nov 05 1998, 10:42 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I say just shoot it, I really can't see it being some amazing collectors piece? by Mike no txt Posted on Nov 05 1998, 11:46 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Russian SKS by CJC I would Ask A collector and see if it ay be a special gun . I just started collecting and know it is worth at least $260. I would put it away or display it for a time. Posted on Nov 05 1998, 02:07 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris did ya get the link I posted ... by Bob on Vollmer's? Those SKS's seemed pretty expensive, I don't know if they are worth $650 or not. Posted on Nov 05 1998, 05:03 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- $650 SKS by ADB Hey Bob, I bought that exact rifle that you used as a link. The company that I bought it from had a rediculous suggested retail price of $650. It went to auction on EBAY and I ended up buying it for $305...It's in fantastic condition but not a parade model and definitely not worth $650. The market for SKS's just doesn't command that much when millions of that model are in the county. P.S.-I will be shooting it regularly. my 02 Posted on Nov 07 1998, 07:16 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Russian PARADE SKS by Russ There is a Russian PARADE variant of the SKS. I have no real details, but it is supposed to be "like" our White M1s for honor guard duty and such. Fully functional, but very nice! I doubt that they are white, though. I saw one Parade Model going for $400 several months ago. I have had a very nice Russian SKS with MATCHING serial numbers on all parts. This means your rifle is all original - not assembled out of "culls" or mismatched bins of parts. I say to verify if it's a Parade version or not, then feel free to shoot it if it's NOT. I'd keep a Parade version as MINT as possible! If it's a shooter, keep it cleaned and oiled, because these are SWEET rifles! Someone really gave you a great gift! - Russ Posted on Nov 05 1998, 09:29 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Untitled by J.A. My freid/dealer has ordered 80 russian sks in the last several years.Ive seen bolts with no finish ,blue,chrome,phosphate,and painted black. bayonetts chrome,phosphate,black paint. all the guns were made in the fifties and all of them had all milled parts. the importer KBI said all were factory reconnditioned. The lowest serial # 18 highest had 6 digets. The stocks were lamanated or solid wood with two cross bolts. one solid stock had only one cross bolt. If it is a collector peice? I doubt it. All the russian/chinese parade/honor gaurd pics i have seen the whole gun had a chrome finish Posted on Nov 06 1998, 10:48 AM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yours would be nice unfired, if you prefer...(see text) by Arnold in IL I had my FFL when the majority of SKS's came in from China and Russia. The Style you speak of with the polished bayonet and bolt/bolt carrier assembly was not uncommon in the early importation days. Almost all of the Russian units I obtained from Southern Ohio Gun International were polished units. I agree they are much nicer than most you see today and you probably can get a bit more out of it than a black arsenal restored unit, but I don't believe they'll ever be a high dollar collector's piece. I shoot mine! Arnold Posted on Nov 08 1998, 09:50 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'd stash it AWAY for awhile!!! (see text!) by No DUMMIE!!!/ Rich Vendor Jr. The SKS IS a very popular rifle, imported in large #'s. HOWEVER, the kind you speak of is getting HARD to find in "new" condition. Look at it this way, when these rifles 1st came in, people were buying them for around a hundred to a hundred and twenty bucks a pop. Most folks took off the fixed mags, added 30rd. clips, and plastic stock sets, and SHOT THE CRAP out of them! Keep in mind that over the past five to seven years, people have been ruining these guns as fast as they have been imported. Though there were millions imported, and millions still remain in other lands, take a look at the posts on this board alone. Almost NOBODY sets these guns aside (except, perhaps, you and I!) The stainless bolt is VERY desirable in a Russian model. One point of note, the presentation guns are usually VERY VERY nice, and some even have a small brass plaque on them (at least, the two I've come across.) I currently own a Russian and Chinese, The Chinese model I shoot the crap out of, but the Russian is "off the stock" and packed in grease! By off the stock, I mean I removed it from the stock(to keep the stock from getting greasy and nasty,) and literally filled the barrel and action in grease, and wrapped the metal parts in grease-filled plastic. Also, I assume you've still got the orig box. If so, be careful not to get it too worn out. If not, try to find one at a show or pawn shop(with no serial# on it, if you can!) Does the serial # on the fixed mag match the rest of the gun? Does the barrel say c.a.i. on it? Also, does the stock have old #'s xxxxxx'ed out of it, with the serial # 550 printed below it? Does the receiver cover have a date? If so, what is it? Is the serial # on the receiver cover on the top, or on the back, facing you when it is in shooting position? Even if it is a surplus gun, chances are if it is kept "new," it will be one of a VERY few new SKS's in a decade or so... Rich Vendor Jr. Posted on Nov 11 1998, 09:43 PM Respond to this message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Additional info from the gun. by Chris Rich, Please not the serial number is not 550 but less than 550 (I didn't want to "publish" my serial number. For this discription I'll use 5-- as the serial number) The stock is "hard wood" with only one crossbolt, and is marked as follows: XXXXXX XXXXX 5-- As far as the receiver cover it has on the "top" as Star with an Arrow in it witih the date 1950 right "below" the star. The Serial number EY5-- is on the "back" of the cover. The magazine, triger group, bolt, bolt carrier, and of course the reciever are all stamped EY5--. (the Y is an odd "russian" Y as well). The gas tube and piston have 5-- "writen" on them with an engraver. The Barrel has no distingishable markings (simbols , ect) Finally is the importation info on the right side of the receiver. it is as follows: SKS 7.62x39 Made in Russia CDI CCCP01434 Swan VT Note that EY5-- is on all th paperwork and box not CCCP01434(so I don't know what that number is all about). As far as the box I have the "original" it is your standard "UPS" cardboard box (label marks and all) with Russian SKS, 1950, EY5--, writen on it with a black marker